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Kithrus
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:06:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Are you telling me thieves, murderers, rapists, or even white collars are not considered as criminals in the Republic ? Such a gross misinterpretation of Arkady's statement implies truly unimaginable capacity for logical contortionism. I imagine I shouldn't be surprised.
What would be surprising to me is that not a word leaves your mouth, pen and comm system without being stung into a Gallentean propagandized laden retort. You could hear a group of Amarrians having a picnic lawn party for a wedding somewhere and you'd still have to get a word in on the edgewise that the brides dress wasn't made by a free person.
As far as gross misinterpretations go your mere suggestion that this entire project is an unscrupulous venture smacks at logic in ways I can't even start to point out.
We get it, you don't like Amarrians. Point taken, frankly I like you even less then that but when the matari go have a party or the gallenteans go have a gala even I don't crash them with my mouth open and ears shut.
I know when I'm not welcome and frankly so should you. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.09.30 03:52:00 -
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This has nothing to do with taking the heat this has to do with staying on topic on not putting some personal spin on the story because in your world its impossible to be caste within reason.
Its called self control and don't think the desire to help people is not within the Empire.
Again with propaganda you'd slam anything coming out of the Empire simply because it came out of the Empire.
That is what I'm taking exception to. You have no grasp in choosing your battles and no scene of the time and the place to do them. Forget about heat, you do your race, culture and faction little too no credit with your pointless accusations and sweeping person options as if they were fact.
I've known his Lordship for sometimes and your accusations ring so very hollow.
But, just to further illustrate my point the correct political move here do would be thus:
"Mr Merdaneth, given the recent illumination into how the Empire has been shown to treat its slaves we have questions regarding your ability to treat these people with respect. Mostly the concerns that so many ladies would be a temptation."
But then again I suppose all your capable of is wielding words like a wild blunt hammer instead of a fine cutting tool is a blessing really. The damage you deal to yourself and your cause makes me smile more then you think you annoy me. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.03 10:01:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Merdaneth wrote:I do have an issue with your methods. Great. Have your Empress negotiate a sensible transfer of all Minmatar captives back to the Republic, or at least the permanent option for all of them to leave if they so desire, and we will stop our "methods" immediately. You won't? Pity. Stop living a millennium in the past and turn your eyes to the future for once.
Again while that sounds witty at first glance I'm sure you understand that such things do not happen in a single day.
You say that we have been harvesting your people for years very well fine....
I'm sure its going to take at lest half that time to put them back...
Stop hurting the process. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.04 12:43:00 -
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Dilaro thagriin wrote:Kithrus wrote:Arkady Sadik wrote:Merdaneth wrote:I do have an issue with your methods. Great. Have your Empress negotiate a sensible transfer of all Minmatar captives back to the Republic, or at least the permanent option for all of them to leave if they so desire, and we will stop our "methods" immediately. You won't? Pity. Stop living a millennium in the past and turn your eyes to the future for once. Again while that sounds witty at first glance I'm sure you understand that such things do not happen in a single day. You say that we have been harvesting your people for years very well fine.... I'm sure its going to take at lest half that time to put them back... Stop hurting the process. Ok kiddo. We'll do it your way. But first, you must end the Reclaiming. what? no dice? pity.
I didn't say no
Arkady Sadik wrote:Do you even believe your own excuses, Kithus of the defenders of faith? Edit: Quick link for the readers who have missed the post I was referring to when I responded to Merdaneth, because Mr. Kithrus seems to think that "sensible transfer" means "immediate transfer".
They are not excuses they are the facts of reality. You claim that you want is in a sensible time but you don't trust us on the times we give you. Fine granted trust is an issue but preforming acts of terrorism doesn't help.
You harden the hearts of those would could help you and you close the minds of those you won't. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:20:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:You accuse the Empire of backstabbing? It wasn't the Empire that tore up a perfectly good treaty and launched an invasion a couple of years ago. A treaty the Amarr Empire was consistently, flagrantly and openly violating by launching slave raids in Minmatar, Gallente and even Caldari space - yes, that's right, they launched slaver raids into the territory of their supposed allies - every day. I used to deal with about three of those a week when I was working for level II agents. Now I generally get called in about once a week by level IV agents who ask me to run cleanup after one of the less experienced capsuleers successfully locates one.
Except that's not true. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:56:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kithrus wrote:Except that's not true. Except it's perfectly true. It's happening - right now. I could go to any level II agent in Gallente or Minmatar space and get a good chance of being put onto one of these aforementioned raids occurring literally as we speak. Denying it not only makes you look like a complete idiot (not, Kithrus, that you - even among other Amarrians - needed any help with that) but actually goes against the official Amarrian position that these raids do, in fact, happen. Yes, you heard what I said. The Amarr Empire has implicitly acknowledged through various means that these raids are, in fact, of their design.
Sorry I was taking a page from your book stating a one sentence reply and acting like it was true without backing it up. But be that as it may allow me to validate this statement now that we all agree replying as such is pointless.
Understand that the Empress, the Council, or the seekers of truth do not condone and if they were aware of the location of such raids would stop them. These are indipentant raids made without the blessing of the throne and braking the law and therefore are not the will of Amarr or God.
That being said its not Amarr's peoples fault this is happening and the correct response my friend is for you to direct PIE, CVA, The Navy, KotmC what have to these doing so we can end them.
Blaming us for them then doing nothing but hinder our efforts to end them doesn't for your good argument make.
Yes these raids happen but they are not Amarrian, they are heretic. |

Kithrus
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:18:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
As previously demonstrated - and as flagrantly and desperately ignored by you - what we see are not rogue naval units, but fully-sanctioned taskforces.
Fully-sanctioned taskforces? You have their orders in your hands or are you again projecting something?
The Amarr Navy is the largest in the cluster I can understand how 5% of it moving anywhere can appear like an invasion force.
Also I've 'harvested my share of dog tags too you know. Both Amarrian from these raids and Gallentean for encroaching on our sovereign space.
Most of the time while mopping up said forces it was because you were assaulting out science stations. What? I thought you did in a few centuries what we did in thousands.... Why do you need our tech Sir?
All things aside back on topic if I can be so bold as to present that motion, I think the childish nature of the lesser races tendancy to froth and jump all over slavery issues without fixing their own nations issues first.
Amarrs Economy is flawless, we have no poor or needy, everyone has a duty and a place in the world. Till you can challenge this with a better solution all your arguments ring hallow. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:20:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
As previously demonstrated - and as flagrantly and desperately ignored by you - what we see are not rogue naval units, but fully-sanctioned taskforces.
Fully-sanctioned taskforces? You have their orders in your hands or are you again projecting something?
The Amarr Navy is the largest in the cluster I can understand how 5% of it moving anywhere can appear like an invasion force.
Also I've 'harvested' my share of dog tags too you know. Both Amarrian from these raids and Gallentean for encroaching on our sovereign space.
Most of the time while mopping up said forces it was because you were assaulting out science stations. What? I thought you did in a few centuries what we did in thousands.... Why do you need our tech Sir?
All things aside back on topic if I can be so bold as to present that motion, I think the childish nature of the lesser races tenancy to froth and jump all over slavery issues without fixing their own nations issues first is cute.
Amarrs Economy is flawless, we have no poor or needy, everyone has a duty and a place in the world. Till you can challenge this with a better system (which you currently can't) all your arguments ring hallow. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:31:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:Kithrus wrote:
All things aside back on topic if I can be so bold as to present that motion, I think the childish nature of the lesser races tenancy to froth and jump all over slavery issues without fixing their own nations issues first is cute.
"We screwed your people over, and since you're left with a comparitively tiny section of space we'll continue to laugh at you and screw you over until you somehow magically fix things for yourselves (in spite of our continuing to screw you over). While we're at it, we'll also claim to be superior in every way just to rub salt in the wound; have fun." Kithrus wrote: Amarrs Economy is flawless, we have no poor or needy, everyone has a duty and a place in the world. Till you can challenge this with a better system (which you currently can't) all your arguments ring hallow.
"We're the best at stealing everyone else's stuff [notably, labor force], thus we have it all. Until you too have it all, although our stealing your stuff may hinder that, I will ignore your arguments no matter how valid they may be". Did I do it right?
No. You of all people should know I have no issue with making reparations as long as they are used for what they are meant.
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Kithrus
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:06:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:Kithrus wrote:No. You of all people should know I have no issue with making reparations as long as they are used for what they are meant.
I think that's what everyone's been wanting to hear out of you. So essentially you're fine with the Empire giving capital to the Republic, so long as it's not used to build warships?
Yes, simply yes. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:44:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Kithrus wrote:Rek Jaiga wrote:Kithrus wrote:No. You of all people should know I have no issue with making reparations as long as they are used for what they are meant.
I think that's what everyone's been wanting to hear out of you. So essentially you're fine with the Empire giving capital to the Republic, so long as it's not used to build warships? Yes, simply yes. Whilst I understand that you may have the best of intentions, experience has taught us that when you try to appease terrorist regimes by buying them off you simply embolden them.
This is true but I wasn't thinking of giving money to terrorist. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:31:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Vallek Arkonnis wrote:We have made the first move At the same time as this move, you also called for a new Reclaiming of the remaining Minmatar. I'm very happy you freed these people,[ 1] but I wouldn't quite call that a move towards peace.
A reclaimed doesn't have to be Amarr holding jurisdiction over an area.
Hearts and minds were what it was about from the start. If the Empire was to remain as it is without gaining a single planet and every soul in the cluster worshiped God then that would be more then acceptable. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:40:00 -
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((I keep messing up my edits I hate my life CCP please remove I get the fail cookie)) |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:45:00 -
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]Andreus Ixiris
1. This wasn't an attempt of but but anything. You act like your culture has never done anything wrong and I'm pointing out they have.
2. You not stopping us from advancing tech, if anything your combat methods are flawed and under refined. Your ships armor tanked for instance go for a more regenerative approach then buffer. This would work if you had the power tech we do. I notice more then ever you fit your ships like ours then the recommended settings your people designed.
3. This isn't about racial epithets either stop projecting your hate for Amarr. We don't hate anybody, we see a vast cluster of people who are being social, morally and technology deprived. You can argue that the methods we used are wrong all you like in fact I encourage you to do so in a both a constructive manor, however the base cause of the entire reclaiming is to uplift those races who are not fortunate enough to be like us.
This has never been without racism, control, money or simply because we can. We have the tech to replace ever slave with machines but we choose not too. Hell the recent surge of capsulleers having planet side factories all automated set up in a blink of an eye is proof enough. Frankly machines lack the person touch of well handcrafted workmanship.
We choose not to because the act of enslaving someone in the Amarr faith is a step in a long road to find yourself in your place in the universe. To brake you down and remold the soul of the person. Only when the metal is hot and beaten can it be forged to a great purpose.
Also don't think I don't notice how you bend the rules of the IGS to suite your whim. Quoting up to five times in a reply to prevent me from responding to your arguments efficiently is cowardly. it is well known you refused to have a one on one debate in private or public and seeing how you have a done this on many occasions only reinforces that theory.
Astrid Stjerna wrote: My 'duty' in your world was to work unpaid in an uncomfortably hot factory, doing work nobody else wanted to handle, and stumble into an barely-insulated shack with no bed after two days with less than an hour's sleep.
My 'place', it seems, was under the heel of your boot.
Then your holder is in error and we shall have this issue seen to at once. What you describe is not right. |

Kithrus
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:10:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Kithrus wrote:1. This wasn't an attempt of but but anything. You act like your culture has never done anything wrong and I'm pointing out they have. Whereas your culture has done immeasureably worse. You stand redeemed of being the most morally bankrupt entity in the whole of New Eden only by dint of Sansha's Nation - an entity that, incidentally, you were directly and willingly complicit in the creation of - being even worse. Kithrus wrote:3. This isn't about racial epithets either stop projecting your hate for Amarr. We don't hate anybody, we see a vast cluster of people who are being social, morally and technology deprived. You can argue that the methods we used are wrong all you like in fact I encourage you to do so in a both a constructive manor, however the base cause of the entire reclaiming is to uplift those races who are not fortunate enough to be like us. There is, from a purely objective perspective, aboslutely nothing fortunate about becoming like the Amarr. In part due to your barbaric religion's fear of progress, you possess technological superiority in only two fields out of several thousand, and are inferior in all other respects. In social respects, your religion causes irreperable moral and psychological degeneracy in all who practice it, without exception. When acts like slavery, the genocide of ( at least) two entire races and the deliberate, systematic poisoning of ship crews with a biological weapon custom-tailored to cause excrutiating pain and death to those who are not given an antidote also custom-tailored to cause crippling psychological dependency can all be justified "in the name of God", there really is no saving your society. The rest of your statement was delusional, self-congratulatory piffle, and not worth the false legitimacy addressing it would afford.
In Your Opionion.
Mistakes were made in the past that is true but the core of the truth remains the same regardless of how you feel. |

Kithrus
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:59:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Louella Dougans wrote:You confirmed it, with these "standards". Any example given, you will claim does not meet the "standards". No, standards means I have criteria by which the Amarrians could perform an act that would be worthy of my respect. Given your past track record they're pretty damn high, but you could meet them. I'll openly admit I don't think the Empire has the courage, humility or self-respect to perform such an act, but there's still an outside chance it could perform an act worthy of my respect. Sansha's Nation, in contrast, could not, short of self-termination.
You said that agreed to the justice taken on Aritcio Kor-Azor's. Sins on slaves, free people, and holders alike that you claim never are addessed in the Empire. |
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