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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:24:00 -
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After a lengthy discussion with Arancia Detto I have decided to form Trans Gamers of EvE, a community for anybody who identifies as Trans. Just as WGoE has and will continue to provide a safe place for Women who play eve so shall the Trans Gamers of Eve sister channel. The public channel will be open to all people who can show respect to others and behave in a mature, civilized fashion. The private channel will be open only to people who identify as trans and have gone through a simple interview process. Both the public and private channel will be administrated by me, I will elect moderators if the need arises. We do have some very basic rules for both channels, they are as follows.
Show respect at all times
No spamming or soliciting
No posting or discussing illegal content
Anything else I decided to add later depending on how things go.
Below you will find the channel name as well as the official twitter page where updates and fun things to discuss will be posted.
In-game Channel (Public): TGoE
Official Twitter Account: TGoEvE
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:33:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:I understand that being transgendered is rough, n'all, and it's good to have a group of people to get along with, but really...
I don't care what your gender is.
I would not have done this if there was not already significant demand for it.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:51:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
Gender is not biological, sex is.
Gender is a social construct.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:55:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:Well alrighty. But since we're all here, I gotsta ask...
Is there a general trans opinion on Lady Gaga? Hero? Bad example? Not related?
I swear that she's not a standardized "girl", but I couldn't really blame someone for not coming out and saying so. Rough situation to have to learn to deal with.
The idea of a "standard" for how a "girl" should act or behave is something that is heavily influenced by culture and religion.
Somebody from another country might think of lady gaga in one way in terms of female gender roles and somebody from yet another country or area may have a different opinion.
I do not speak for everybody, so I can not make a statement about lady gaga and claim that all trans people have the same opinion because trans is an umbrella term that encompasses a diverse group of people.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 19:57:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Xenuria wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Only bit I'm curious about...
Is this for those who are transgendered biologically (either through choice or not) or psychologically, or would you consider these equally under the purview of this new channel?
Gender is not biological, sex is. Gender is a social construct. This is false. Gender is the state of your sex, eg. male, female, or other. Gender identity can be defined yourself and your society. But gender has a definite value.
Incorrect.
Gender is not the same as your assigned sex, Gender is not static either. Female "gender" roles in the middle east for example are not the same as Female "gender" roles in the united states.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:10:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:While I never would attend a "special" channel based on my RL person, be it gender, sexuality, social standing or whatever, I can understand why people feel the need to find other people "like them" in a virtual community like EVE... so, good luck, by all means... just make sure you know what you are doing... In my opinion, a gaming community should never be a forum to discuss or, worse consult about possible psychological conditions... that's what therapists are for.
If all you are planning to achieve is a place where transgendered people can talk about topics that concearn them besides EVE... well, I guess there will be no harm in that...
Sidenote: Beeing transgendered is NO sickness in any meaning of the word...
I understand where you are coming from. I do want the channel to have topics including but not limited to topics of interest to the trans community. I might post a link on the twitter about a legal case or some legislation, or I may post something about fashion or what kind of clothes are really nice. It all depends on what I find/ what people suggest to me.
This channel is not going to be some rigid little box where people are forced to talk about specific things. I would hope it would be just the opposite. I want to obviously provide suggestions for topics of discussion but these will be suggestions not mandatory topics.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lilliana Stelles wrote:So let me, for the sake of example, be defensive:
In which case, allow me to express my own opinion. I find this channel degrading to women, due to it's similar nature to WGOE. To blindly draw an analog between "sex" as you call it (what wgoe is founded upon, and is a hard classification) and a social construct (what tgoe is founded on) lessens the meaning of the hard classification. Anyone can change their social image, but very few people have the resources to change their actual "sex", or gender, as the rest of the world refers to it.
So forgive me, but I'm offended by the grouping together of WGOE and TGOE, as it makes WGOE sound cheap and invalid.
But, that's just my /opinion/. That's bullshit.
Agreed.
Getting back on track I would say that the idea to start this channel was not my own but that of Arancia Detto. She spoke with me at length about the benefit a channel like the one I created could have and how it would be great for the two channels to be connected to each other in function. I jumped at the idea because I have a heavy background in psychology as well as gender studies. So we both felt like I was the natural choice to start something like this.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:54:00 -
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In effort to avoid having the thread locked I am going to just ignore all the trolls and flames. I would advise everybody else to do the same, for the sake of this thread.
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Xenuria
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:13:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:Xenuria wrote:Adalynne Rohks wrote:Well alrighty. But since we're all here, I gotsta ask...
Is there a general trans opinion on Lady Gaga? Hero? Bad example? Not related?
I swear that she's not a standardized "girl", but I couldn't really blame someone for not coming out and saying so. Rough situation to have to learn to deal with. The idea of a "standard" for how a "girl" should act or behave is something that is heavily influenced by culture and religion. Somebody from another country might think of lady gaga in one way in terms of female gender roles and somebody from yet another country or area may have a different opinion. I do not speak for everybody, so I can not make a statement about lady gaga and claim that all trans people have the same opinion because trans is an umbrella term that encompasses a diverse group of people. I wasn't referring to the how he or she acted. I just think she moves like a guy, and looks like a guy that's had work done. And I was just curious as to if she was a sort of symbol for some people. Like how gay people gravitated to Cher (for whatever reason...)
I think alot of that is intentional and part of her style, just like walking and turning with as little wasted energy as possible is my style. In practice however I look like an agent from the matrix with the way I move and walk so I try to tone that down and make my movements more fluid while still using minimal amounts of energy in comparison to a normal person.
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