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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.01.11 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 11/01/2011 04:22:13
Yeah whoops. Hit the enter button before typing anything here 
Anyways, it would be sweet if we the playerbase had a function to report botters similar to the "Report Spammer" one.
And to add a little icing on the cake, if enough reports come in on the same individual, their ships power core suffers a melt down and their capacitor leaks out and diminishes down to zero until a GM can investigate it further.
The suspected botter can still do anything they want with their ship so long as it doesn't require cap to use. No mining, no warping, no ratting. It can still cloak but who cares.
Obviously abuse can come of this, but the same abuse was a concern with the "Report Spammer" function and it turned out ok.
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Amarr
Wardens of the Void
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Posted - 2011.01.11 05:18:00 -
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I'm not lacking support of this because of possible abuse, but rather I just think the function would be useless. I can understand a report spammer button, but investigating a bot is a bit more complicated, I'm sure, than looking at the logs and saying "yep, this person spammed"...
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.11 05:21:00 -
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Hey the "report isk spammer" button worked pretty well for making all the tears stop while not actually fixing anything.
So why not.... If it hides the issue and makes everyone stop *****ing then sounds like a good button,
even if nothing ever gets done with the reports at least it gives the perception of something.
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Maxx Overseer
Decrypt Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.01.31 15:12:00 -
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like it
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2011.02.01 06:10:00 -
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A report botter function would work just fine. People seem to assume that it would behave much like the isk seller. In all actuality, it would likely behave as it has in other games:
Step 1: You think you see a botter named Bob. (mining, missions, whatever)
Step 2: You "Report Bot" on Bob much like isk seller through the right-click menu.
Step 3: GM staff that watches for bot reports sees that Bob has been reported, possibly multiple times.
Step 4: For added effectiveness you ask folks in local to report Bob too.
Step 5a: Based on traffic on the bot list, the GM staff directly contacts reported bots. Using a simple set of questions that could be based on visuals (for example "Is my ship closer to the sun than yours?") or be too difficult for a bot to respond to automatically ("What is 2 + 3 + 6 equal?" which requires the bot to recognize and calculate commands from the chat window generated by a GM)
Step 5b: In the event Bob does not respond at all within 30 seconds, GM deactivates Bob's ship modules. If the ship resumes its activities without responding either Bob is being a prick or the bot is resuming its activities. This prevents the potential "I was afk" argument as an afk player won't resume activity. There is still a loophole in which a bot could be programmed to simply wait 5 minutes or longer if a forced deactivation occurs before resuming...thus fooling the GM. A possible workaround could be a 'time out' function in which the GM forces a log-out of the character if they are afk and fail to respond. This could actually hurt afk people though (though I loathe afk miners, they ARE legal), thus this excuse remains troublesome as always. The time for miners (given the simplicity of how they work) could be extended to several minutes to account for a typical afk break. Unless an indy, another telling sign is if the miner switches roids without responding. Only industrials mine slow enough to stay on one roid. Mission running bots would be much easier to detect as they won't just sit there suddenly afk when approached by a GM and have their modules forced off...they'll still be under attack. To do this would be suicide (and thus not profitable).
Step 6: GM can determine within a minute or less if the person is in fact a bot. If a bot, then EULA takes its course, if not a bot the character (NOT ACCOUNT) is cited as being a player and could potentially have temporary immunity from the report system until DT or longer.
In all reality only a single GM would really be necessary, though the work would be more boring than playing ping-pong with two titans and a pod. The point of this simplistic system of direct intervention is...
A) Players can't abuse it as only the GM can negatively affect the player in question.
***UNLIKE the isk seller which mutes the player. Some bots are players, some players are bots, they are difficult to separate sometimes. "jfggaeth" as a name is a good hint, but not all bots are so foolishly named. As stated many times before, some of EVE's bots have incredibly advanced tech behind them.***
B) Players can help GM's potentially locate and identify bot behavior.
C) Low cost, doesn't require lots of development, botters can't create an effective program to answer the questions as (if implemented correctly) the questions simply change monthly, if not weekly, based either on CCP's or the GM's discretion.
The biggest benefit is that while this system is progressive, and thus there won't be 'mass bannings', it does put the hurt on botters (RMT or not) and will deter it over time as it becomes to annoying and/or not profitable.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2011.02.01 07:21:00 -
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Eden Love
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Posted - 2011.02.01 10:36:00 -
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Another step that could help to minimize the problem!
I think there is not one solution. The problem has to be attacked from all angles.
What about randomizing some dropdown menus?
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.02.01 12:18:00 -
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It is the only realistic option there is. What comes after a report is up to the powers that be.
 Originally by: Cyprus Black
...Obviously abuse can come of this, but the same abuse was a concern with the "Report Spammer" function and it turned out ok.
Well DUH! Under threat of immediate perma-ban is it any wonder that it actually worked as intended?
Now local in the hubs is filled with honest scams and noobishness, just what Goddess intended! 
Originally by: Eden Love
Another step that could help to minimize the problem!...
Wrong. It is the ONLY step that has any chance of alleviating the situation.
All the ideas of Captchka, menus and other random crap will end up being a pain in the arse of everyone whether they are a bot or not .. difference being the bot doesn't give a crap and won't drop subscription due to game being unplayable/no fun.
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Taisuke Black
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Posted - 2011.02.01 21:43:00 -
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I agree. CCP is going to have to assign more people to the problem(1 gm is more people than they have now -_-') but when they do so, they should make it easy for players to help find bots
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.01 22:26:00 -
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This would never work. This would be abused endlessly.
Frankly there is no need for this. CCP knows who the botters are already.
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Eden Love
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Posted - 2011.02.02 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
This would never work. This would be abused endlessly.
Frankly there is no need for this. CCP knows who the botters are already.
You think they know? how? And why dont they do anything against it?
The report isk spammer button is also there so why not a report bot button?
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.02.14 18:22:00 -
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This would be a good and easy function to start the war against bots!
I mean if somebody is reported by 10 different people and clearly acts like a bot - It is a bot!
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.14 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Manalapan on 14/02/2011 18:26:02
I think we do need to take steps but am fair certain when I have my alt army mining it looks pretty bot like. My concern is mostly abuse and at the end of the day this would just result in more stuff for the GMs to work through, slowing down the current petition process which would be worse than the bot issue currently.
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WolfMarrell
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Posted - 2011.02.14 19:21:00 -
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Sounds like something that could be highly abused. Ive been called a botter by some noob that thought it was cool to bump me like a ******, until i came back and melted his retriever. Last i checked bots wernt that cool... but at the same time this brings up a point that people have a very low recognition differential for detecting bots, vs people who just AFK mine like me.
I'm also sure the "report spammer" function is worthless. Never seen it usable, but "report botter" would get spammed every 5 minutes by some people.
"awe man, look, its our rival corp stealin our omber... report dat ****!!" and suddenly the GM's have like 30+ reports on the same guys, despite if theyre legit or not. Then there would be people who just reported every one who mined for more then half an hour in the same spot (because THAT never happens, specially not on ice belts or similar)
Not a bad suggestion but given our broken ass player base, it wouldnt work.
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.02.14 20:25:00 -
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They need to automate the function. That means the more a bot is reported the higher the character goes on the list the Gm's have to check. I guess this is what they already do with the "report isk spammer" button.
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PC l0adletter
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Posted - 2011.02.15 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eden Love
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
This would never work. This would be abused endlessly.
Frankly there is no need for this. CCP knows who the botters are already.
You think they know? how? And why dont they do anything against it?
The report isk spammer button is also there so why not a report bot button?
Read this: http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/12/the-rise-of-the-isk-printing-machines-a-case-study-on-bots/
They know because players are logged in, doing stuff for 23 hours straight, for days on end.
If botters were subtle and a tiny bit clever and did things like only bot for 6-8 hours a day or changed the system where they botted, then it *might* be difficult. But they don't. They farm boring content for 23 hours a day for weeks on end in the same place every day. They're not hiding, they're not subtle, CCP just doesn't care until EveNews24 rubs their nose in it.
As to why this is, only CCP can say.
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