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Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:25:00 - [1] I hear a lot about macro miners in 0.0 and such. I was wondering if there was a specific system or region in 0.0 where macro miners or macro ratters are rampant.
Erin Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:33:00 - [2] Pretty much everywhere. It's easy to say the east and the south though because of russian, they don't come to the forums. Haha russians you cheaters. But seriously NC has the largest botting network both ratting and mining.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:34:00 - [3] is Red Alliance one particularly known for botting?
Sixtina KL The Shoop Group	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:38:00 - [4] SELECT * FROM Tranquility.dbo.Systems __________________________________
Erin Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Selinate is Red Alliance one particularly known for botting? Yeah
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:40:00 - [6] Edited by: Selinate on 12/01/2011 02:41:09 Edited by: Selinate on 12/01/2011 02:40:54 Originally by: Erin Eraser Originally by: Selinate is Red Alliance one particularly known for botting? Yeah EDIT: nvm Can't give away my secret plans. >.> <.< ty though
Erin Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 12/01/2011 02:41:09 Edited by: Selinate on 12/01/2011 02:40:54 Originally by: Erin Eraser Originally by: Selinate is Red Alliance one particularly known for botting? Yeah EDIT: nvm Can't give away my secret plans. >.> <.< ty though
Messoroz The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Messoroz on 12/01/2011 02:41:41 FYI: Most of the drone region alliances are harboring bots.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Selinate is Red Alliance one particularly known for botting? You'll hear that about them often, as you will also hear about pretty much every other major alliance in null. In truth there's bound to be some bot's in some of them when you take into account the total alliance members. No way to tell however if the Alliances in question actually support the idea or condemn it. All in all it comes down to rumors and not much else.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:58:00 - [10] Originally by: JC Anderson Originally by: Selinate is Red Alliance one particularly known for botting? You'll hear that about them often, as you will also hear about pretty much every other major alliance in null. In truth there's bound to be some bot's in some of them when you take into account the total alliance members. No way to tell however if the Alliances in question actually support the idea or condemn it. All in all it comes down to rumors and not much else. Rumors are all I need to begin to investigate to further my mischief!
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:38:00 - [11] To stop the bots, all you really need to do is have an AFK cloaker in local. The bots will dock/warp to POS/warp to safe and cloak. To find who is running bots, check the forums for people complaining about AFK cloakers, proposing nerfs to cloaking, or complaining about local as an intel tool. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:43:00 - [12] looks around most of the roids are eaten up in this system, only one character in system, does this mean bots are afoot?
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:48:00 - [13] No, it just means that there is one other person in local, and there are no rocks. You have no evidence of why there are no rocks, and no indication of who has recently been in the system. It could very well have been stripped clean this morning by a fleet of 50 hulks. That other person in system might be trying to disrupt suspected bothers :) -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:50:00 - [14] bots are hard to find. These forums lie about the "rampant problem of bots".
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:55:00 - [15] Edited by: JC Anderson on 12/01/2011 04:55:33 Originally by: Selinate bots are hard to find. These forums lie about the "rampant problem of bots". They are out there, but the problem is that some of the bot apps are fairly intelligent in how they react. The Newer ones will actually warp back to a station and dock (sometimes to the protection of a POS or SS) as soon as anybody enters local with them. :( And when local clears out again, they will automatically go back to mining.
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:55:00 - [16] Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 04:55:46 Originally by: Selinate bots are hard to find. These forums lie about the "rampant problem of bots". I can name a dozen systems with macro ratting carriers in russian space(xxdeath/red). However the problem is, all the macros have a O *** NEUT/RED IN LOCAL function that results in them either possing up, cloaking up or logging. The carriers tend to pos or log. Other ratters tend to cloak or pos up. Miners tend to pos up.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Aessoroz Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 04:55:46 Originally by: Selinate bots are hard to find. These forums lie about the "rampant problem of bots". I can name a dozen systems with macro ratting carriers in russian space(xxdeath/red). However the problem is, all the macros have a O *** NEUT/RED IN LOCAL function that results in them either possing up, cloaking up or logging. The carriers tend to pos or log. Other ratters tend to cloak or pos up. Miners tend to pos up. Gimme the most populated one. Just curious.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Mara Rinn on 12/01/2011 05:01:31 Originally by: Selinate These forums lie about the "rampant problem of bots". Detecting a bot will take several weeks of dedicated effort, and you will need to have eyes in the system 24 x 7 to watch the suspect's behaviour. You might want to team up with the corp named "cloakers" - there should be posts on the forum from... Who was it? Ah, Infinity Ziona. They are pursuing a slightly different goal to you (I.e.: getting AFK cloaking nerfed) but you might find some common ground or even allies. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.01.12 04:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:03:44 For finding macro ratters: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Insmother#npc24 http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Cache#npc24 Any system that is above 6500 is at the macro level, not even heavily populated systems in the north with hordes of ratters can touch 9000 kills/24 hrs. For finding macro miners you need to find the level 5 industry index systems out there, dotlan unfortunately doesn't seem to record that.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Aessoroz Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:03:44 For finding macro ratters: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Insmother#npc24 http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Cache#npc24 Any system that is above 6500 is at the macro level, not even heavily populated systems in the north with hordes of ratters can touch 9000 kills/24 hrs. For finding macro miners you need to find the level 5 industry index systems out there, dotlan unfortunately doesn't seem to record that. TY Don't see any industry 5 systems around me, but I do see a nice high kill system
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Aessoroz Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:03:44 For finding macro ratters: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Insmother#npc24 http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Cache#npc24 Any system that is above 6500 is at the macro level, not even heavily populated systems in the north with hordes of ratters can touch 9000 kills/24 hrs. For finding macro miners you need to find the level 5 industry index systems out there, dotlan unfortunately doesn't seem to record that. This is utter bull**** in its purest form. You want macro's? Check any space holding alliance. RAGE, ME, MM, RZR, Goons ALL have as many, if not more macroing PLAYERS as any other region in EVE, and singling out the russian player base is tired, old, and wrong. Also, the ingame interface easily shows you what systems are upgraded to what, per region, constellation, and system. Lastly, you'll find most bot miners restrict themselves to empire, and that the 0.0 bot runners are ratters. If CCP were to ban all the botting accounts, the population of the game, and 0.0 itself would be left a blasted wasted husk of its former self. Bot away, they won't stop you anytime soon. Oh, and reporting them doesn't matter either, CCP ban enough accounts to look like they are doing something, but not enough to hurt the company bottom line.
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:23:00 - [22] Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:26:06 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:25:32 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:24:10 Originally by: Grath Telkin RAGE, ME, MM, RZR, Goons ALL have as many, if not more macroing PLAYERS as any other region in EVE, and singling out the russian player base is tired, old, and wrong. I did not say they didn't have macros. However the russians take it to the literal extreme where the bots run 23/7 to the point they freaking light up the npc kill stats like a nuke going off in Israel. Quote: Oh, and reporting them doesn't matter either, CCP ban enough accounts to look like they are doing something, but not enough to hurt the company bottom line. Nowhere in this discussion did we care about reporting them to CCP. We know they don't give a crap and there will probably be a CCP generic response in this thread later to report them or something stupid. Quote: Also, the ingame interface easily shows you what systems are upgraded to what, per region, constellation, and system. I forgot about that window actually :P Quote: Lastly, you'll find most bot miners restrict themselves to empire, and that the 0.0 bot runners are ratters. Keyword is most, there will and are still some :D
Orfum Sopter	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Aessoroz Originally by: Grath Telkin RAGE, ME, MM, RZR, Goons ALL have as many, if not more macroing PLAYERS as any other region in EVE, and singling out the russian player base is tired, old, and wrong. I did not say they didn't have macros. However the russians take it to the literal extreme where the bots run 23/7 to the point they freaking light up the npc kill stats like a nuke going off in Israel. I don't know man, there prime time is in Russia and there are US time zone corps who live there to. I would know because I lived in one. The intel channels were mainly Russian. We had members from the EU and the US and there were many like us. If you combine all the ratting during the EU timezone, US timezone and Russian timezone you're going to get a lot of rats killed.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:27:00 - [24] That given map has a system with over 9000 kills on it. I get to the system, it's empty. Is that map recent?
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:30:00 - [25] Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:35:02 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:32:34 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:32:10 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:31:36 Originally by: Orfum Sopter Originally by: Aessoroz Originally by: Grath Telkin RAGE, ME, MM, RZR, Goons ALL have as many, if not more macroing PLAYERS as any other region in EVE, and singling out the russian player base is tired, old, and wrong. I did not say they didn't have macros. However the russians take it to the literal extreme where the bots run 23/7 to the point they freaking light up the npc kill stats like a nuke going off in Israel. I don't know man, there prime time is in Russia and there are US time zone corps who live there to. I would know because I lived in one. The intel channels were mainly Russian. We had members from the EU and the US and there were many like us. If you combine all the ratting during the EU timezone, US timezone and Russian timezone you're going to get a lot of rats killed. This is true however why would there be select systems being ratted to heck and back when there are NUMEROUS ones around them, especially when those select systems are in pipes and not prime deadends. Take XQP-9C right now with over 9000/24hs. It is in a pipe, it has only 4 belts and 5 moons total. That means they are essentially milking anoms like cows. Edit: That system has horrible true sec as well compared to friggin station systems with -.96 that can be beautiful to rat in. @Selinate, several macros may ctrl-q the moment you appear in local but before you finish loading grid, playing the waiting game can probably help you catch their names and figure out how to catch them(isn't hard if you think about it). The data is pretty recent though activity does appear to have died down.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Aessoroz @Selinate, several macros may ctrl-q the moment you appear in local but before you finish loading grid, playing the waiting game can probably help you catch their names and figure out how to catch them(isn't hard if you think about it). The data is pretty recent though activity does appear to have died down. Well if activity suddenly dies down for no apparently reason for hours and hours, you know who to thank. <Yo.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Aessoroz Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:26:57 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:26:06 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:25:32 Edited by: Aessoroz on 12/01/2011 05:24:10 Originally by: Grath Telkin RAGE, ME, MM, RZR, Goons ALL have as many, if not more macroing PLAYERS as any other region in EVE, and singling out the russian player base is tired, old, and wrong. I did not say they didn't have macros. However the russians take it to the literal extreme where the bots run 23/7 to the point they freaking light up the npc kill stats like a nuke going off in Israel. Also I've seen the northern macros myself, they tend to be fail fit ravens, while the russians on the other hands love carriers. Actually, most of the north uses tengus, with bubble nullifiers (this has everything to do with bot wars, and nothing to do with being hunted by players. Unless you use sneaky meta gaming means, you'll never actually catch the bot programs, as they are literally un-catchable under current game mechanics and limitations). And if you don't see the NPC kill counts lighting up in the north, your not looking- TVN, check it out, look at the other constellations in the area (RAGE has what they call 'renter island', and then each corp has different constellations) 20,000 rat kills PER DAY in most of those constellations, 7-8k per system, sometimes breaching 9k, and they run 23/7. Its not the russians anymore, its all of 0.0. Hbot and ISXE are the programs, and they are swarming through 0.0 like a disease while CCP sticks its fingers in its ears going lalalalalalala.
Terminal Entry New Fnord Industries	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:36:00 - [28] LOL The advice given to newbies who want to go out to 0.0 to rat or mine is to watch local and if anyone enters to warp between three safes, cloak, dock or go to a POS. And in this thread, macro bots are identified by them cloaking, docking or going to a POS when someone appears in local. Therefore according to Eve General Forum: Newbie = Bot ?! As I said at the start, LOL! Originally by: CCP kieron If you feel we as an entity are corrupt and abhorrent, we bid you good luck in finding a game and company that suits your interests.
Messoroz The Scope	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:38:00 - [29] Edited by: Messoroz on 12/01/2011 05:39:49 Quote: Originally by: Grath Telkin RAGE, ME, MM, RZR, Goons ALL have as many, if not more macroing PLAYERS as any other region in EVE, and singling out the russian player base is tired, old, and wrong. I did not say they didn't have macros. However the russians take it to the literal extreme where the bots run 23/7 to the point they freaking light up the npc kill stats like a nuke going off in Israel. Also I've seen the northern macros myself, they tend to be fail fit ravens, while the russians on the other hands love carriers. Actually, most of the north uses tengus, with bubble nullifiers (this has everything to do with bot wars, and nothing to do with being hunted by players. Unless you use sneaky meta gaming means, you'll never actually catch the bot programs, as they are literally un-catchable under current game mechanics and limitations). And if you don't see the NPC kill counts lighting up in the north, your not looking- TVN, check it out, look at the other constellations in the area (RAGE has what they call 'renter island', and then each corp has different constellations) 20,000 rat kills PER DAY in most of those constellations, 7-8k per system, sometimes breaching 9k, and they run 23/7. Its not the russians anymore, its all of 0.0. Hbot and ISXE are the programs, and they are swarming through 0.0 like a disease while CCP sticks its fingers in its ears going lalalalalalala. You know, I never took a look at the NC pets/RAGE area. You do seem to have a point http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/IR-DYY 10305/24hrs, such a beautiful beautiful macro ratting statistic.
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.01.12 05:40:00 - [30] Edited by: Grath Telkin on 12/01/2011 05:43:19 Originally by: Terminal Entry Edited by: Terminal Entry on 12/01/2011 05:36:59 LOL The advice given to newbies who want to go out to 0.0 to rat or mine is to watch local and if anyone enters to warp between three safes, cloak, dock or go to a POS. And in this thread, macro bots are identified by them cloaking, docking or going to a POS when someone appears in local. Therefore according to Eve General Forum logic: Newbie = Bot ?! As I said at the start, LOL! No, your ****ed, we've been hunting and killing bots for a long time now. I can buy that a newbie is told to warp and log off, but my ability to control when a player logs on and off with a stop watch is indicative of it being a bot. Lastly, if PL catches and kills your ratting tengu, we know for a fact it was a bot because of the means we use to catch you in the first place, so crying that tired ass line of "oh you can't tell for sure it was a bot" is done and over. Yes, yes we can tell, and yes, when we move nearby we will catch your macro-ratter and kill him eventually. Ask goons how many tengu's they've lost since we moved to Venal. Originally by:** Messoroz You know, I never took a look at the NC pets/RAGE area. You do seem to have a point http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/IR-DYY 10305/24hrs, such a beautiful beautiful macro ratting statistic. Actually its calm now, 3 weeks ago, when we first set in the area to disrupt things, there were about 20 or so systems like that one red one there.

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