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Shilah Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.12 14:48:00 - [1] I think it needs to be moved to 4 like shield upgrades 4 takes 12 ish (give or take) days to get it to level 5 While shield upgrades can be done within 4 days of starting anyone else think that it should be downed a notch ? Read this ccp Cheers Shilah
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.12 14:56:00 - [2] But Hull Upgrades is giving you the extra armor HP while shield users have to train shield management for that. _ Ore Table \| PI Profits
Shilah Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.12 15:19:00 - [3] not for t2 shield extenders and shield power relays and resistance plates you can a good t2 fitted tanked drake within 1 week amarr and gallette has to wait 2 weeks maybe 3
Mona X Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.12 15:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Mona X on 12/01/2011 15:30:51 Hull upgrades opens you armor platings, armor energized platings, armor hardeners and armor plates gives you up to 25% more hp. and it's only rank 2 skill (512k sp). To get similar effect on shields you have to train shield managment (rank 3) for hp, shield upgrades for resistance amplifiers and shield extenders to lvl 4 and for hardeners you need to train tactical shield manipulation also to level 4. That's 768k + 90k + 181k. So yeah, they definitelly should make it even faster for armors. Join Eve-Online, meet interesting people, grief them.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.01.12 17:30:00 - [5] Yes, EVE would be so great if armor and shield tanks worked exactly the same way.
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Shilah anyone else think that it should be downed a notch ? I'm a Caldari pilot, and I have Hull Upgrades 5. It is a rank 2 skill. Shield Management, is rank 3. Mechanic, rank 1, is also useful. Core Integrity certificates cover them all.
ZeJesus	Posted - 2011.01.12 19:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Boltorano Yes, EVE would be so great if armor and shield tanks worked exactly the same way. Yeah, you kind of cannot passive armor tank, so Amarr ships are utter crap in passive role.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:12:00 - [8] HTFU!! haha get it harden ... okay leaving now
Aqriue	Posted - 2011.01.12 20:13:00 - [9] Shields take alot more then 4 days, you can have T2 shield modules quicker but N-types work just as well for armor tanks for another week longer. After that one week, you can be sporting T2 armor hardeners and starting gun skills but I can assure you that the pilot with T2 shield modules will still be dedicated to training them along with maxing those capacitor skills to run them. So for getting your shield modules sooner you will have to wait much longer to move on in your skill plan vs the guy who waited the 1 week for his armor modules and already moving to another area of his skill plan.
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.01.12 23:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton HTFU!! haha get it harden ... okay leaving now I thought it was pretty funny. Oh and on topic: shield tanking is a lot harder to train for than armor tanking, so just train the silly skill already. --- Drykor - AHARM

Misanthra	Posted - 2011.01.13 02:00:00 - [11] Edited by: Misanthra on 13/01/2011 02:02:04 Since going apples and oranges...will look at the common aspect. Passive resists that omni tanks. Hull 4 gets you some decent t2 armor tank mods. Hull 5 gets you EANM II (all in one passive resist). Plus armor HP boost. Very fair tradeoff. Shield upgrades 4 gets you the passive resists t2'd. Outside of type A gear, passive shield resists are a waste of isk. Crap resists...and no passive omni damage fitting . MIds are 4 resists, 1 per. Or you double up weakest one and drop one resist off your highest natural one to be fair. Or you run an invul II and 2-3 passives. Neuted dry...omni tank goes to utter crap. So evemon this train to get an equivalant attempt at armor tank passive....shield will be partly active because not possible without an invul II on fleet fit with with mwd, point, sebo, tp etc: shield manip 5 (this is your hull upgrade 5 equivalent bonus to shield hp) sheild upgrade 4 (t2 passive resists) tactical shield manip 4 (t2 invul) all 4 shield comps to 4 (your passive boost resists) Time should be shorter than hull 5 and armor comps to 4 iirc.
Captain Die Suicide by Cop	Posted - 2011.01.16 15:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Shilah I think it needs to be moved to 4 like shield upgrades 4 takes 12 ish (give or take) days to get it to level 5 While shield upgrades can be done within 4 days of starting anyone else think that it should be downed a notch ? Read this ccp Cheers Shilah Damage Control II should be enough reason to train Hull Upgrades V. --- DIE
eek amouse	Posted - 2011.01.16 17:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Captain Die Originally by: Shilah I think it needs to be moved to 4 like shield upgrades 4 takes 12 ish (give or take) days to get it to level 5 While shield upgrades can be done within 4 days of starting anyone else think that it should be downed a notch ? Read this ccp Cheers Shilah Damage Control II should be enough reason to train Hull Upgrades V. yet, it only requires IV.
Captain Die Suicide by Cop	Posted - 2011.01.16 19:33:00 - [14] Originally by: eek amouse Originally by: Captain Die Originally by: Shilah I think it needs to be moved to 4 like shield upgrades 4 takes 12 ish (give or take) days to get it to level 5 While shield upgrades can be done within 4 days of starting anyone else think that it should be downed a notch ? Read this ccp Cheers Shilah Damage Control II should be enough reason to train Hull Upgrades V. yet, it only requires IV. When the **** did that happen? --- DIE
I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:04:00 - [15] Edited by: I likegirls on 17/01/2011 01:04:51 blah
DeftCrow Redriver Gallente Best Path Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.17 01:43:00 - [16] Uh... when did a rank 2 skill happen to take 12ish days to get IV -> V? It only takes 11 days 11 hours with 17/17 in both stats, and that's the absolute minimum training speed after the learning skill removal. It will take about 6 days with remaps & implants.
Krisalyn	Posted - 2011.01.17 02:58:00 - [17] Originally by: DeftCrow Redriver Uh... when did a rank 2 skill happen to take 12ish days to get IV -> V? It only takes 11 days 11 hours with 17/17 in both stats, and that's the absolute minimum training speed after the learning skill removal. It will take about 6 days with remaps & implants. Because 12ish = 11days 11hours.


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