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Paija
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:14:00 -
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I was sitting around in my home station when a friend asked me if I wanted to join up in a fleet with their corp while going lvl4 missioning.
tl;dr they had around 115 people doing lvl4 missions, warp in, 10 seconds later: done. 2-3 people in Noctises clean up and one guy in the station closing and opening new lvl4 missions. No couriers either.
Wherever we went there was a new mission, and the longest ones (2-3 gates) took up to 7 minutes. And they just kept going. No docking, no ammo reloading.
I played for an hour, we did 17 missions, I made only 2 million in bounties (devided by the whole fleet) and they paid me an addiotional 100m for my help.
Question is, isn't this a little unfair considering some of us *have* to do lvl4 missions solo? Those guys are apparently raking in around one billion each day, 23 hours per day (250+ members in all time zones).
wow.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:30:00 -
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having that many people in mission just sounds like a waste of time to me.
somehow I expect that it is unfair to most of their members and a few guys on top are skimming pretty heavily on the rewards.
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Tameris Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:52:00 -
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lol, do the math, 17 x 45m isks (and I'm being generous here assuming that everybody but you was in that corp and they have 100% taxation & that every mission is worth 45m isks) = 765,000,000isks. You claim they paid you 100m, so that leaves 665m isks in the pool. Now how many people did you claim there were participating? oh yes 115! Assuming an even split that leaves just under 6m isks each per person. Pretty **** imo.
Now lets assume the guy in station has 4 lvl 4 agents and there're actually 4 missions on the go at the same time and fleet is split between them: 45m x 4 x 17) / 116 = ~ 27m isks per person.
So either:
a) they were trying to recuit you & hence the payout b) someone has a corp of 250+ absolute idiots c) you're talking absolute *******s
I'll go with the latter.
TLDR: proof (give me name of corp and I'll go watch) or GTFO
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:58:00 -
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I smell a bag of ****.
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Paija
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Posted - 2011.01.12 23:52:00 -
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I'm sorry, I didn't read my post after I posted it, I meant I received 10m from them for the 1 hour I put in and 2m from the bounties. I don't wish to tell you which corp it was.
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Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2011.01.12 23:55:00 -
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Rubbish pay, but then again you didn't have to grind standings etc. How many people were doing each mission? in what ships?
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Paija
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Paija on 13/01/2011 00:18:40 Yes the pay was a slightly low but the experience doing so many missions in a row was worth it.
Not exact numbers, but they had around 40 faction BS, around 10 logistic ships, around 30 BC and some newer players in cruisers (maybe 20-25) and the rest were in salvage ships, Noctis mainly, which followed us (or warped to us after emptying cargo) wherever we went.
People did log off in the middle of things and others logged on. It seems all they do is that. I didn't ask my ingame friend why they do it, but I am guessing it is to make isk - for what, I don't know.
However, it was exciting, I've never seen lvl4 BS's die under 5 seconds, so this was pretty cool. They only used fleet commands to assign pilots which ships to shoot first, but I noticed a few people just solo'd it by shooting anyone they wanted to.
They're not recruiting, I just tagged along and basically got a "warm handshake thanks". Kind of whish I was in a corp like that, but the payout isn't all that good per person I suppose.
edit: spelling
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:17:00 -
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How do they warp to mission site if the guy pulling stays in station?
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Paija
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:21:00 -
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The mission guy (main guy) rejected courier missions, and accepted pve missions. Once we fininshed one, he would complete it (while we were still at site). Then he would warp to the next mission (gate sometimes and sometimes other system) and all we did was warp to him. He would go directly back to the station and wait until the mission was complete, and then request a new mission. And back to step one. It worked very nicely. My main grr is now that lvl4 missions feel obsolete to do by myself.
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Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:23:00 -
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Fair pay then. Looks like it was a colossal waste of ammo/dps/time, logistics in l4's was a stupid idea, did you say multiple Noctises?? If half of what you say is true, this would take ridiculous to a whole new level, like a hydrogen bomb to crack a nut.
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Paija
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:26:00 -
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I only noticed that Noctises since I like them but can't fly one. There were three of them on the first mission, one on the next, 2 more jumped in on the third and they kept a balance the whole time. I would guess that the average salvager noctis spent around 2-3 minutes per mission, since they always came (not all at once) to the next mission.
The logistics seemed kind of dumb to me too, but some of their ships were clearly not tanked at all, just pure dps, so I suppose they calculated that the logistics were worth it time wise, instead of having tanked ships with lower dps.
I don't know what their idea is with that, just assuming what would be logical.
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Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:36:00 -
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Nothing logical about the whole operation *unless* they were actually farming l5's not 4's, and even then so many ships would have been an overkill, 5-6 ships more than enough for l5's Had they divided their fleet into many small groups like 4 ships per group max, 10 missions simultaneously you would have earned double.
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Paija
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:41:00 -
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I agree. Well it was an experience. If it was me I would use that kind of dps only for lvl5, since they probability of getting ganked is next to nil.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.13 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
somehow I expect that it is unfair to most of their members and a few guys on top are skimming pretty heavily on the rewards.
Corporate taxes and loot goes to the corp.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.13 02:51:00 -
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Running missions as a Corp group is great for building camaraderie, and increases your ISK/hr if you are not already soloing missions easily. Sometimes the company is as important as the ISK/hr.
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n00n3r
Caldari Malicious Destruction
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Posted - 2011.01.13 04:58:00 -
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now take that same manpower and throw it at the Incursions, and you will have a gold mine.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.13 09:08:00 -
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They do not sound very effective. I can do about 5 level 4 missions per hour on average with 2 accounts. And even there is room for improvement as I'm not focusing real hard there.
I think more than 5 people in a level 4 mission is waste. The optimal number is somewhere around 2-3 damage dealers to down the targets so they dont get the opportunity to repair.
The proper way for them to do it would be divide themselves into squads of 4-6 people (depending if they want to salvage or not) and get separate level 4 missions. Everyone gets a L4 combat mission, then they run around and do them, dock, get next ones, etc.
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Linda Flamewalker
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Posted - 2011.01.13 15:32:00 -
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Guess the guy(s) pulling missions got a ton of storylines for absolutely no work and hence a lot of cash while most other people got well nothing?
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.01.13 16:06:00 -
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Maybe they were trying to practice for incursions?
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n00n3r
Caldari Malicious Destruction
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Posted - 2011.01.13 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mavnas Maybe they were trying to practice for incursions?
I guess that is possible, but let me tell you from experience that LVL 4 missions are poor training aids for Incursions. The differences are staggering.
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Cherry Picker234
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Posted - 2011.01.13 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Cherry Picker234 on 13/01/2011 19:34:31 We have done some group mission running to grind standings and LP in 0.0 mission space. 115 ppl sounds like about 110 people too many for even 0.0 level 4 missions. I imagine that group could be easily split into 3 and they could grind level 5 missions, which would be nice because I doubt many pirates would warp into a group of 30 pilots running a mission.
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oldmanst4r
Minmatar oldmanst4r's Corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.13 23:57:00 -
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You could probably be fairly efficient with 3xdamage dealers (faction BS/Tengu/Marauder) and 1xNoctis for salvaging. Beyond that, you would see a pretty steep drop in efficiency I think, and even with the above setup you wouldn't be making even close to the isk you would be making if you were each running lvl4s in a Marauder/Faction BS. 115 people is just a ******ed amount of overkill, even if you were all flying rifters.
The way i would have set it up is 1xNoctis and 2xmain damage dealers combined with maybe a couple of newbs in BCs and run 20 or so separate missioning groups. Then you could probably all rake in 30-40 mil an hour or so which is great for the newbs and doesn't completely bone everyone.
Btw, I think I know the corp you are talking about. Nice chaps, but I think a few got dropped on their heads as babies.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Kentares Kodiak
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Posted - 2011.01.14 01:11:00 -
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Sounds like someone is milking a lot of LP¦s...
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Nyrawin
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Posted - 2011.01.14 08:10:00 -
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100 players would simply obliterate a level 4. They would have made more profit if they divided into groups of 10 players and did 10 level 4 missions in this time.
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MsMango
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Posted - 2011.01.14 15:05:00 -
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Okay anyone see what is wrong with management here?
If you had that huge manpower and idiots to **** a LVL 4, why not go and do LVL 5's? Surely the ISK per hour shoots up and you don't have to worry about pirates because of your insane fleet count. Really?
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: MsMango Surely the ISK per hour shoots up and you don't have to worry about pirates because of your insane fleet count. Really?
Yyesss... there's a L5 agent in Floseswin. Just sayin.
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