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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:50:00 -
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After flying cruisers and BCs for 2 years, I have decided that frigates are far too useful to pass up.
I have Minmatar and Caldari frigate, cruiser, and BS all to V. So I've stocked up on Rifters and Merlins. Once I get the hang of it I plan on moving on to Harpies and Jags.
The fits I've worked out are fine, bar one thing. What variety of propulsion mod would fit best with these frigates? I understand that ABs carry no penalties, but would only get me up to 600-700 m/s. While MWDs inflict a sig radius penalty along with a reduction in capacitor, but provide excellent mobility.
Specifically, how do you determine which to fit, and which would be most useful on the frigates I intend to fly.
Thanks in advance
-Evans
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.12 22:54:00 -
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m in mwd is for mandatory
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Ephemeron
Lubricous
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.01.12 23:23:00 -
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AB works only for frigates and t3 cruisers with 50% AB bonus (barely works)
For BC and BS - forget about it. Unless you are a mission running carebear and MWD is disabled in missions.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.01.12 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 12/01/2011 23:25:45
 Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
m in mwd is for mandatory
That was like 2 years ago.
Frigates get up to decent speed with ABs, Comet or Firetail for example easily break the 2kms mark on heat, shield rifter just shy of 1.77kms, incursus 1.6kms and so on.
Now imagine your facial expression when you realize even a scram only AB frigate easily dictates range on your mwd/web/scram fit...
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2011.01.12 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
m in mwd is for mandatory
Worthless.
Originally by: Ephemeron
AB works only for frigates and t3 cruisers with 50% AB bonus (barely works)
For BC and BS - forget about it. Unless you are a mission running carebear and MWD is disabled in missions.
Good information, mostly obvious though. Im more interested in the uses of MWDs on frigates, Jag and Harpy specifically.
Originally by: Omara Otawan
Edited by: Omara Otawan on 12/01/2011 23:28:33
That was like 2 years ago.
Frigates get up to decent speed with ABs, Comet or Firetail for example easily break the 2kms mark on heat, shield rifter just shy of 1.77kms, incursus 1.74kms and so on.
Now imagine your facial expression when you realize even a scram only AB frigate dictates range on your mwd/web/scram fit...
Again, I asked about Rifter/Merlin and Jag/Harpy. It's nice to know that some frigates can break the 1km/s mark with an AB though.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Evans
Again, I asked about Rifter/Merlin and Jag/Harpy. It's nice to know that some frigates can break the 1km/s mark with an AB though.
Rifter/Merlin I fly almost exclusively AB, unless when tackling for a gang.
Jaguar mainly dual prop, sometimes ab/web/scram, sometimes mwd/web/scram. I dont fly the Harpy really, no clue what people prefer, guess it would probably be AB or dual prop though depending on what you do.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.01.13 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
I dont fly the Harpy really, no clue what people prefer, guess it would probably be AB or dual prop though depending on what you do.
It would be MWD + rails. Otherwise you should be flying something else.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.13 02:44:00 -
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I've had some success in lowsec with afterburner taranis and rifters. Also fit a small rep and nos so can tank the little damage you get from engaging a single target.
However usually I prefer MWD for ability to gtfo on demand.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2011.01.13 04:02:00 -
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I have done fine flying with an AB on a hawk. Regardless of ship, each has its uses. What is important is you dont treat an AB like a MWD. Many of the MWD diehard fanboys fit nothing but. They see AB as a gimped MWD and they are entirely different and when used properly they are both good.
That said try both. But one thing you want to look at is what are you going to be hunting. Larger targets AB and a 2 point. Cruiser class and below MWD. I always run a 2 point with AB.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.01.13 05:44:00 -
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AB on a frigate is okay if you're in lowsec or more quiet regions of nullsec. AB only fits generally win in frigate duals, since those mostly occur at <9km. Against bigger hulls you can have a better chance, too, if you can warpin nice and close.
Most frigs with an ab will go around 1km/s but you can get jags to about 1.3 and ceptors faster than that, which is better than most cruiser hulls. On the other hand having an AB limits your options a little, in that you can't zoom off gates or move around an enemy gang very well. It's not bad to fit an AB to a frigate but just keep in mind that it forces a different (more cautious) style of play.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2011.01.13 11:28:00 -
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if you want to be able to catch something in your frigate you NEED a mwd
if you plan to wait for someone to catch you and then fight AB is better.
most of mwd cruiser will kite to death any frig/AF with a AB but if you manage to get in scram/web range with a AB you have a advantage
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Mike712
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Posted - 2011.01.13 12:17:00 -
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AB on a frig means you don't lose all you're speed when scrammed and because it uses less power you can upsize the guns and tank.
MWD for ceptors and dram etc. of course, but for the rest of the frig line up AB works great.
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Joss56
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.13 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Unless you are a mission running carebear and MWD is disabled in missions.
This 18th we will be abble to use MWD in dead space pockets, this information has ben delivered by dev's in some post in this forum can't remember where.
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Cori Halcyon
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Posted - 2011.01.13 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
if you want to be able to catch something in your frigate you NEED a mwd
if you plan to wait for someone to catch you and then fight AB is better.
This ^^
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.01.13 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 13/01/2011 23:25:28
Originally by: Cori Halcyon
Originally by: 1600 RT
if you want to be able to catch something in your frigate you NEED a mwd
if you plan to wait for someone to catch you and then fight AB is better.
This ^^
You can catch stuff fine with afterburner. What people forget is the stuff you can catch is those that are totally oblivious, your speed makes little difference there.
Then the stuff you cannot catch, you wont catch with mwd either most of the time since they are smart. And if you do catch them, it more often than not turns out they have afterburner and wanted you to catch them.
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 00:18:00 -
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Just want to put this out there.
Speed of an AB II fit Rifter: 1154 m/s
Speed of an MWD fit Hurricane: 1314 m/s
Probability that the Cane pilot fit either a Neut or a web: high
Probability he has a friend with an insta-lock heavy dictor: non-zero
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.01.14 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 14/01/2011 00:36:49
Originally by: Culmen
Just want to put this out there.
Speed of an AB II fit Rifter: 1154 m/s
Speed of an MWD fit Hurricane: 1314 m/s
Probability that the Cane pilot fit either a Neut or a web: high
Probability he has a friend with an insta-lock heavy dictor: non-zero
Shield Canes dont fit webs
If you fly around lowsec, instalock Lachesis is more common then heavy dictor. MWD doesnt help a whole lot when you get scrambled before you are even at half speed.
The Huggins take a bit to lock you, and not exploding your sig until you get scrambled buys extra time.
And its a frigate, who cares if you lose it. What matters is you can properly kill stuff in it.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.01.14 00:35:00 -
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Lilith be right.
End of story.
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
Syndicate.
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Posted - 2011.01.14 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Originally by: Culmen
Just want to put this out there.
Speed of an AB II fit Rifter: 1154 m/s
Speed of an MWD fit Hurricane: 1314 m/s
Probability that the Cane pilot fit either a Neut or a web: high
Probability he has a friend with an insta-lock heavy dictor: non-zero
Shield Canes dont fit webs
If you fly around lowsec, instalock Lachesis is more common then heavy dictor. MWD doesnt help a whole lot when you get scrambled before you are even at half speed.
But shield canes do fit neuts and those will ruin your day.
Also maybe it's the fact that my corp was doing low sec camping, but I noticed we always had a HIC and nobody flew a Lach.
Guess if a frig got to a gate with a Lach AND a Cane, he'd be screwed.
That or reapproach, both propulsion types work fine, considering he can make it on one MWD pulse.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.01.14 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
But shield canes do fit neuts and those will ruin your day.
Also maybe it's the fact that my corp was doing low sec camping, but I noticed we always had a HIC and nobody flew a Lach.
Guess if a frig got to a gate with a Lach AND a Cane, he'd be screwed.
That or reapproach, both propulsion types work fine, considering he can make it on one MWD pulse.
Neuts dont matter, afterburner cycle is 15 seconds. If you are not back to gate after 15 seconds, you are dead anyway.
I do a fair bit of gatecamping, we almost never use HICs because they are inferior in so many ways to the Lachesises.
Really I have been a die hard mwd believer for the longest time, but at some point you realize that when flying frigates in lowsec you are way better off with afterburner. Some exceptions, but that is the rule.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.01.14 01:08:00 -
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Problem with the 'oh but what about a cane' argument is that most ab frigate pilots will never bother engaging in the first place if they see one hanging around. MWD frigates will try and make sure they never get within 70km of one.
I haven't had that much trouble burning back to gates with an ab or an mwd fit, but instalocking lachesis can be a problem. Those kinds of camps usually only exist in really notorious hotspots though.
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