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Tier Ha'i
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:58:00 -
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OK so the proteus is a fairly sub par drone ship when it comes to other gal ships. what i propose is to change the 7.5% HP bonus on the Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir to +1 drone per level.
b4 you rage check this out
with only 100m3 max drones with both drone subs it wouldnt be able to spit out lots of heavies, however it could toss out 10x meds/lights. 10x meds is comparable dps than 5x heavies ( all lvl 5 skills with 10% ship drone damage damage mod is 475 for ogre II and 476 10x hammerhead IIs ) however with medium drones you would get your drones to target faster, but the drones have less HP individually than the heavies.
it could possibly get a -1 turret modifier on one of the subs to stop a ridiculous high end dps set with drones + blasters but tbh a t3 should allow ppl to put up a drone focused ships at expense of turrets to avoid ships nerfed like the myrm had, where the turrets which were not often used for dps could be taken into account with the drones to have high end DPS that was too much with drones factored in so they nerf the drones instead of turrets, ruining the ship.
with the +1 drones on the 25m3 drone bandwidth sub the proteus would only be able to spit out more than 5 drones if it had both of the drone subsystems fit, making it a drone focused ship and different than any other drone ship.
also b4 anyone complains about CCP already taking drone control numbers down i would point out that only the dual drone subsystem prot would allow more than 5 drones out, and other ships like carriers/guardian vexors can control more than 5 drones so its possible, CCP didnt nerf fighters to 5 fighters with more dps and there are more carriers in game than there would be dual drone subsystem proteuses so i dont think the extra drone lag would be a server killer
i just think that it would be cool to give the drone race(gal) a nice option with the t3 to make a unique drone ship if they chose to fit in specifically for drones, and i think requiring both of the drone subs to be fitted to take advantage of the extra drones puts enough extra stipulation on that its a fair trade, especially if one of the drone subs gets -1 turret to stop huge top end damage
also ITT b4 dram pilots QQ about 10x war IIs with speed bonus
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Poba
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.01.14 16:46:00 -
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would be nice
would be nicer to remove even more turrets for more drone damage, at least while hybrids are such fail
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.14 17:10:00 -
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never going to happen because that would mean the Proteus would be an Ishtar on steroids.
(dislaimer: I want a strategic drone boat)
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.01.14 17:24:00 -
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VERY Poor proposal... very poorly written idea.
Not supporting.
HOWEVER...
The Proteus is supposed to be an uber Tech 3 Gallente Strat Cruiser.
What the hell is the point if you can't selectively choose the best aspects of your race if you can't be a Tech 3 Drone boat of the "OMGWTFBBQ" kind to a point? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.14 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis VERY Poor proposal... very poorly written idea. The Proteus is supposed to be an uber Tech 3 Gallente Strat Cruiser.
What the hell is the point if you can't selectively choose the best aspects of your race if you can't be a Tech 3 Drone boat of the "OMGWTFBBQ" kind to a point?
Exactly, which is why everyone was disappointed with it and flies lokis and tengus instead.
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Ephemeron
Lubricous Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ogogov never going to happen because that would mean the Proteus would be an Ishtar on steroids.
(dislaimer: I want a strategic drone boat)
But the Tengu is Cerberus on steroids, so that's no excuse
I happen to agree that Proteus should be a better drone boat than Ishtar, at least cause of the price difference.
So something should be done to improve it.
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Joss56
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.14 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Joss56 on 14/01/2011 19:18:30 IF the Tengu is one of the rarest ships abble to get in range to apply the ridiculous dps of blasters it's because of it's ability to pull big amounts of HP.
Take that off and there is no point on using it, aka fail rails/blasters in that ship. Ok it has +5drones at the end, he's just a better version of the Ishtar the guardian vexor, but i don't realy see the proteus has the T3 version of the dominix. TBH and blasters are what for wallente pilots?
Mabe i'm wrong but IMO is a bad idea to change the 7.5% HP to +1 drone.
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Tier Ha'i
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Posted - 2011.01.14 23:47:00 -
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t3 can make make a "on steroids" version of just about every other type of cruiser in the game dude, loki-vagabond clone with webs-check, prot-deimos blaster clone with massive EHP and long range scram-check, tengu-falcon clone bubble immune with more damage-check, it even has better gang link bonuses than command ships brah, you can make examples for just about everything except a good drone ship which is the point im making
i also think its good because its finally a change from standard drone use, with the extra meds u get heavy drone like damage but with more speed and less survivability of drones, its like trading tank for speed on a ship, and with the lower HP bonus they would be much easier to kill especially with smart bombs. there is little uniqueness in the drone ships and they all have the same singular drone bonus, is it that much to ask to have one ship that plays with drones a little differently cause ishtar and domi are far more similar to each other than to this
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Ephemeron
Lubricous Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:02:00 -
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I'll add some observations based on my experience with Loki and Tengu - ships that I flew for several months and have over 200 kills with.
Loki can be designed as very good sniper or very good AC close range ship. 2 very different roles, both turned near perfection. Loki can be either shield or armor tanked effectively.
I think Loki is best example of how t3 design should be approached - many good options.
Tengu is very good with missiles, but it's absolutely horrible with hybrids. And it's not just cause the hybrids suck right now. The subsystems were designed to make it weak. And Tengu is shield tank only, there's no option for good armor tank.
Tengu is one of the best T3 but it's good setups are limited and predictable. I wish it had viable hybrid option.
I also analyzed Proteus and Legion subsystems and I see same problem as with Tengu - limited versatility. Proteus is sub-par with drones. Legion is sub-par with missiles.
The EW subsystems for Legion and Tengu are too weak to be useful. Loki's and Proteus' EW subsystems are good only because they deal with augmenting tackle power, which does not require sacrificing your mid/high slots in good PvP setups. Tengu has to sacrifice tank to get benefit. Legion has to sacrifice damage. And the benefit is too little.
T3 were meant to be extremely versatile and unpredictable. But it's just not so. There are only a few good choices.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.15 00:46:00 -
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Why not give bonuses that create a t3 droneboat the correct way, instead of lots of lights" What happened to dronebay volume bonus and damage bonus, you know, like a normal droneboat? As opposed to "micro-carrier with swarm of little drones."
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Maeve Trinity
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.15 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Ogogov never going to happen because that would mean the Proteus would be an Ishtar on steroids.
(dislaimer: I want a strategic drone boat)
But the Tengu is Cerberus on steroids, so that's no excuse
I happen to agree that Proteus should be a better drone boat than Ishtar, at least cause of the price difference.
So something should be done to improve it.
This. I was incredibly disappointed with the Proteus's lack of drone bonuses. Its a Gallente ship for goodness sake.
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Poba
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.01.15 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Poba on 15/01/2011 08:23:59
Originally by: Goose99 Why not give bonuses that create a t3 droneboat the correct way, instead of lots of lights" What happened to dronebay volume bonus and damage bonus, you know, like a normal droneboat? As opposed to "micro-carrier with swarm of little drones."
while it would be acceptable to have it at least perform like a proper drone boat, it would be nice to have a drone boat that played a little different, i kinda like the micro carrier idea
so alternatively instead of the +1 drone perhaps increase the engineering sub bandwidth to 50m3 from 25m3
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Certified Household Sweeping Consulting
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Posted - 2011.01.16 00:23:00 -
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All t3 cruisers have generally limited drone capabilities. Proteus seems perfectly in line with that policy.
Also being able to field more than 5 drones, is very powerful ability and it cannot even be compared with fielding 5 slow ogres. I personally think even ishtar with 5 heavy drones and large drone bay is a bit op in certain situtations, granted it is limited with range for example.
No.
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.16 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn All t3 cruisers have generally limited drone capabilities. Proteus seems perfectly in line with that policy.
Also being able to field more than 5 drones, is very powerful ability and it cannot even be compared with fielding 5 slow ogres. I personally think even ishtar with 5 heavy drones and large drone bay is a bit op in certain situtations, granted it is limited with range for example.
No.
Except for the fact that one faction's gimmick is drones. so they have a ship that can't field drones, because that class of ship is not supposed to field drones. so that class of ship therefore sucks for that faction, like approximately 70% of the rest of that faction's lineup. see where i'm going here??
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Joss56
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Joss56 on 17/01/2011 01:56:25
Originally by: Ogogov Except for the fact that one faction's gimmick is drones. so they have a ship that can't field drones, because that class of ship is not supposed to field drones. so that class of ship therefore sucks for that faction, like approximately 70% of the rest of that faction's lineup. see where i'm going here??
Mabe this could be considered true but, the fact IS that every single ship no matter the faction or size is abble to deploy drones and the same number.
WTF? is the single specificity of gallente to be the worst on everything they are supposed to be stronger?
Let's take same average sp pilot/ability/experience, lets take a look at the roles.
You have 3 subcap ships that work properly with drones -vexor ishtar and dominix - check
All the other types of ship have the same bonus than other factions but work worst= check (i hate frigs i hate them all so frigs = drones point blanck )
Bigger dmg with artys in gall ships than with rails even loosing ship bonus - check
Blasters: the bigest fail of all factions weapons outperformed by any other - check
If you want to stay RP an give some RP bonus,then it would be +1drone per level but, i would like something that makes blasters realy melt your ugly face and cry "moma" if you let me get close to your ass has they were intended to work, because blasters too are in the gallente's RP.
Make it possible with some sub so that this boat becomes some minicarrier i'm ok with that, but not make it THE drone carrier and no other choice possible by nerfing other subs type in the name of the fake drone people. Take the drone bay away from all other kind ships under caps and then yes, gallente will be the drone people. ________________________________________________
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Posted - 2011.01.17 02:46:00 -
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this is a very interesting proposal, and definatly a possible rout to go down
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Pirokobo
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.17 05:31:00 -
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Problem one for the Proteus is that it only has 100 bandwidth. That the Proteus can't field a full team of sentries but the Gila and Ishtar can is somewhat confusing.
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