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Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.15 04:03:00 - [1] It used to be that people said the minmatar militia was reputed to have allot of solo and small gang pvpers. So naturally I joined the amarr militia so I could fight them. But now looking back at the killboards it seems you can easily make the minmatar solo kill award list with half the solo kills you would need to make the amarr board. http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=awards&m=1&y=2011 http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=awards I guess this has changed. It appears Minmatar no longer have any good solo pvpers. All gate camps and bait ships. Maybe some amarr should switch over to balance this out. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.15 04:20:00 - [2] Edited by: Cearain on 15/01/2011 04:26:38 Edited by: Cearain on 15/01/2011 04:26:07 Liang I accidently posted the link to January for amarr (which is less than half done) and December for minmatar which is already finished. If you compare finished month to finished month you will see you need to get about 2x the solo kills to make amarr's list as minmatar's list. here compare december to december http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=awards http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=awards Keep going back month ot month. You can see the amarr have many more solo killers than minmatar. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.16 13:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Eva Valeer Edited by: Eva Valeer on 15/01/2011 07:19:46 Exactly, if your looking for true solo pilots (no gang waiting to jump on you, no boosters, no alt scouts, no logi alt and no falcon alt) its hard enough to find them out pirating belts or roaming 0.0. Finding them in FW is like looking for a needle in a haystack or more accurately a gold ring in a turd pile (by which I mean you would probably find it eventually but looking for it wont be very fun) Well the killboard links I posted are showing that there are quite a few solo pvpers in the Militias. I know what its like to find solo pvp. ItÆs not as hard as you say. The minmatar used to have a reputation for this, but it seems that is no longer the case. I don't care if people use boosters or logi alts. I really don't care if people don't go solo at all itÆs not for everyone. I'm just pointing out what seems to be change in the minmatar militia. But people who say no one goes solo should look at the killboards. They are out there and fw is a decent place to do solo pvp. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Sneaky Noob [I still don't get it... Are you complaining? Just making a (meaningless) point? Pointing out how much you solo? What? If you want to do some solo pvp then joining the minmatar militia would be a good choice. You will be able to find some targets that are not always just bait. Flying for amarr would not be a good choice for the opposite reason. At least that is how it stands now. These things change over time. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.17 04:09:00 - [5] I'm not here to trade anecdotal stories about times we were blobbed. This is eve that happens. I'm just saying the minmatar militia could use some more solo pilots right now. The killboards demonstrate that Amarr has many more pilots who are willing to try to get a kill solo. Posting a single killmail where you were outgunned isnÆt productive. I might get blobbed by minmatar gate camps or what have you too. I do not blame them for that. What are they supposed to do? Not shoot? Let me go if the fight is not deemed ôfairö? IÆm not saying anything of the sort. ThatÆs just crazy. If by pointing out that minmatar militia has very few pilots who are willing to try to collect a kill on their own is somehow insulting to you, well IÆm sorry. But it appears to be a fact. How you or others in your militia react to this fact is up to you. 1) You can close your eyes to it and pretend that by posting a killmail where you were apparently outgunned somehow proves your militia has more pilots willing to fly without a gang for back up. 2) You can say you donÆt care if your militia has no pilots that are willing to enter a fight without a gang for back up. (IÆm sure most pilots on both sides donÆt care) Or 3) you can go out and get some solo kills. I suppose there are other options too, but I really donÆt care how you react. IÆm just pointing out the fact that your militia is comparatively lacking in pilots who are willing to fight without a gang for back up. If someone wants to join a militia and get some solo pvp, they may want to join your militia for the reasons I stated in my last post. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:57:00 - [6] Wow, I point out that minmatar militia could use some more solo pilots, and over half the responses are irrational nonsense. I guess I should expect this on eve-o. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:52:00 - [7] Fail pirate Thank you for making an intelligent post and getting this thread back on track. I think the amarr and minmatar have traditionally avoided much of the ôserious businessö mindset that takes place in the caldari/gallente side. This has imo lead to a better variety of pvp options on our front. I would like this to continue. Here is a wall of text. Sorry, if I had more time I would write a shorter post. At some point I decided that I would like to be able to get on the award board for solo kills in the amarr militia. So I looked at how people would get solo kills. There are allot of different ways to solo pvp. 1)There is the high sec ganking. I havenÆt done it myself but I have seen a few people have done what hissan does. 2)Those who get solo killmails even though they have really have a reps from logistics or others 3) Those who use alts in bcs command ships or strategic cruisers giving them ganglink boosts. 4)Those who use sensor boosters to help their lock time so they can gank smaller ships with larger ships. Double sensor boosted thrasher, cane etc. 5)Station campers. 6)There are other tactics including the ever entertaining smartbombing BS. 7)There is the guy who wants to fight you until he is losing and then warps in his ecm boat to end the fight. 8)And just people who just fly around looking for fights because there is no fleet up or they donÆt have time to dedicate to for a fleet op. I likely missed some. And of course there are many combinations of these sorts of tactics. Someone may use sensorboosters and station camp with a remote repper. Now some of these are not in fact solo fighting. If you use 2 ships you are not solo. The person using a repper is not solo even though killmails do not show the repping ship. The person using the gang link alt/friend is not solo either. Both should show up on the killmail imo. Ganglinks alts: Personally though I do not mind when people use the ganglinks. The boosts arenÆt much more than pirate implants or boosters. Should ccp change it so the ship needs to be on grid? Yeah I think they probably should but I havenÆt really looked into it much so I donÆt really have a strong opinion. Repper ships: I donÆt mind when people use a repper ship even. ItÆs clearly not solo even though itÆs a way to game the killmails.(thatÆs why I think ccp should fix killmails to show when they are used.) Neutral remote reps though I think is really poor. That is why I support assembly hall topics to have this changed. In the meantime IÆm not going to cry about their use other than to say I think its lame. Just my opinion. As for high sec ganking: I think its fine. Your right in that it is not the type of solo pvp I was looking for. But CCP set it up so that players would have to fight a navy not an invincible concord like npc when they are in high sec. So they clearly envisioned that some fighting would take place in high sec. I think you will find that although there may be 1 or 2 pilots each month who get large numbers of kills this way the vast majority of the Amarr solo kills happen in low sec. Certainly this tactic isnÆt so wide spread that it explains the nearly doubling of solo kills the amarr get as compared to the minmatar. Again that is not to disparage the minmatar militia (the whole deal with one militia pointing fingers at another is pretty juvenile) but it is to say minmatar could use some more solo pilots. I mean forget about the top spot look at what it takes to just make the list. You will see that you can usually have half the kills you would need to make the amarr list and still make the minmatar list. This I think is the more telling statistic that really shows many more amarr are willing to try to get a kill without backup than the minmatar. If youÆre minmatar and get 15 solo kills you are likely to make the award list for the minmatar. If you get 15 kills and you are amarr you are barely getting half the solo kills you need to make the list. Its at this lower end were we can at least start to see where the day to day pilots are coming in. Station Campers: Yes you have to inform new players about station campers and what they can do. But its part of the game that every player should learn sooner or later. If using a sensor boosted ship with a remote rep is simply overpowered then we should ask ccp to do something about about it. ItÆs nto op then itÆs just part of the game. But again if someone is camping a station and not using a remote rep they are in fact a solo pilot. Sometimes it takes so fricking long to find anything other than a gate camp or a blob to fight I have considered doing this too. I think these are legitimate solo kills. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:55:00 - [8] General: I think it is good for fw to have a variety pvp available. Large fleet small gang and solo. I also think station camping can be part of it but I hope its not the whole thing. I think keeping variety is important. You point out that someone may solo kill several ships then start fighting in a fleet with 50 others. I think that is actually a good thing about fw. You have many different options to pvp. I do not think solo pvp is for everyone. And I do think larger fights can be allot of fun as can small gang. There is nothing wrong with flying with a large fleet. As far as the soloer who just throws a bunch of sensor boosters on his ship to catch smaller stuff well I personally think that is pretty lame. I look at it no different than gatecamping in general. IÆm not going to complain about it but I sure hope all of eve doesnÆt devolve into that. Just my opinion. At least they have to gimp their ships by using midslots for sensor boosters. On the other hand, just because a soloer is killing smaller ships in a larger ship that should not count against him at all. Generally smaller ships can not be caught by larger ships (with the exception of the sensor booster issue) So that person was likely taking some bait and trying to get away or fighting a larger number of smaller ships. This is some of the best solo fighting. I tend to like it more than 1v1. I donÆt mind if people want to sit outside our base with a thrasher or hurricane. IÆm not convinced that is some sort of Iwin button. Personally when I see a thrasher outside huola I am glad I donÆt have to travel far for a fight. If that person is truly solo. As far as those who say you canÆt solo in fw I disagree. I have found entering a plex is a good way to find good fights. Once you enter the plex move away from the rats so they donÆt agro you. (I often move away from them in defensive plexes too so they donÆt ***** the killmail with their pathetic damage.) Then if there are others in the opposing militia (or rarely pirates) they may come in the plex. You can move away from the entry point so you have some control to help you not get blobbed and or spread out the blob and try to kill what is closest. If anyone wants to try solo piloting I would highly recommend this method. I have been in many great fights in and right outside plexes. I have also sat in plexes with tons of wartargets in system and none of them come in. Again IÆm not complaining if they are tackle for a fleet then sure they canÆt just say ôhey fc IÆm going to go fight cearain and leave you guys without tackle.ö But on the other hand if I am there in a t1 frigate at a medium plex and I see a wt a thrasher or t2 frigate at the gate do they really need to wait 5 minutes for another destroyer and t2 frigate to come? Ok if they do fine, IÆm not saying I will fight, but whatever. But then do they really need to wait another 5 minutes for that kitsune or black bird to join before they come in? BTW I will say the minmatar militia are in general good about bringing fights. Definitely they are far better than pirates. Pirates almost never enter a plex with anything even close to what you are flying. To be fair though it may be because pirates donÆt know what the hell a plex is. I also see the minmatar enter plexes and force the amarr to ship down every now and then. I think this is great. Use the plex mechanics and you wonÆt get blobbed. Finally I am not saying pilots who have no interest in solo piloting should take it up. I think people who tell others how to play this game fundamentally misunderstand eve. So thatÆs is not my point. As it stands I am thinking fleet and gang work is pretty much the only options minmatar are offering. IÆm not ôblamingö the minmatar or saying they are at ôfaultö because there is nothing wrong with flying in fleets or gangs. But if someone wants to solo pvp joining the minmatar militia might be a good choice since the amarr militia seems to have more pilots willing to fight without a gang for back up. (1v1s are not the only sort of fight a solo pilot can have but knowing the other side will often fight solo as well is a very good indication you will have fun as a solo pilot) Also if you are in the minmatar militia and occasionally solo pvp you may want to do a bit more of it or the amarr militia might stop soloing for lack of like minded war targets. For example if the numbers were reversed I would certainly plan on doing more solo pvp. Not only would it be more fun for me but I would help maintain some variety in the war by offering minmatar some likeminded wartargets. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.20 01:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 19/01/2011 22:06:15 Cearain, I think you are just making excuses and not really listening because it's not what you want to hear. Simply put there was a lack of decent targets/fights for solo Minmatar guys and it became far too boring at least for me. .. That may have been the case. I'm not here to brag about the amarr militia. Even saying that sounds ridiculous. There are all sorts of people in every militia. I'm not here to put down the minmatar militia either. Both the amarr and the minmatar are by and large after the same thing - good pvp fights. I actually think this is pretty clear to many on both sides and really doesnÆt need to be repeated in the forums. The minmatar have it somewhat hard right now because even though there may be fewer enrolled in amarr, the amarr have a few very good leaders and therefore more active players. This has been the case for a while but it wasnÆt always the case. When I first joined amarr a certain large alliance decided to take a break from null sec and joined minmatar for a bit. So this stuff comes in tides. But the point is really what you are saying above. If side A is full of solo pilots and side B has none the solo pilots in A will drop out. It canÆt be lopsided for long. ThatÆs why IÆm saying if you want to do some solo stuff minmatar militia would be a good choice. You have been in minmatar militia and say there have been too few amarr soloers. I havenÆt looked at the kilboards back more than a few months but have a feeling this is correct. Now that you see amarr have many more solo pilots maybe you should rejoin the minmatar militia. Again I donÆt mean to be insulting to any minmatar pilots. I do not think less of pilots because they prefer to fly in fleets/gangs. Not everyone cares to be a solo pilot. Just like not everyone cares for industry in eve. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.01.21 22:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Mutnin The deal is Amarr aren't really full of "solo" pilots.. I looked at the first 4 or 5 guys including your self. All I saw were guys with most of their "solo" KM being obvious station humping gayness. Every one of the top 4 guys had most of their solo KM's in 720mm Arti canes and looking and almost all the kills were frigs and pretty much most were in Auga,dal or a FW mission agent system. While yours was a bit better I still saw a large number of your KM's coming from Dal in a Rupture killing frigs. That to me screams camping the top station which we all know is a kick out. While it may or may not be the case with your self it's still a large amount of your kills in a cruiser with frigs as the target. Granted you also had some frig vs frig as well. I'm sorry but as someone whom has spent most of his EVE pvp time soloing.. I know the difference in looking for "quality" fights vs "gank" mails. Meabning IMO pretty much all of the top 5 on that "solo" list would never fit my personal description of a good soloer, regardless of their kill statsà. Despite what you think you can somehow glean from the killmails, I have never camped an undock in FW. Not that I think there is anything wrong with camping an undock, itÆs just something I have not done. You can see from the ruptures I fly there is no sensor booster so if a smaller ship got locked it most likely wanted to fight. Usually they would have had friends or npcs helping them. IÆm not saying this to say what a great pilot I am û I am actually a horrible pilot, but just to demonstrate that you are making false inferences from the data. The assumption you should make is that if a smaller ship dies to a larger ship and the larger ship has no sensor booster then the smaller ship had friends û either players or npcs helping. I have had many fights with several war targets either fighting me or in plexes or missions where the rats were giving me damage. In some of these plexes IÆm down to 1/3 shield due to rats before I can even scram the wt. It can be hard to kill some frigates in certain plexes or level 4 missions before the npcs blow through your ruptures shield tank. As far as those posting individual killmails that have more than one person on the kill. Well that happens. If they are in a gang then of course they will all shoot. Even if they are not in gang and stumble on a fight they will start shooting û I certainly will. Doom has a pilot that fights in his dram and when heÆs going down brings in his neutral scimi pilot. I have had ecm boats come in to jam me when I was about to kill many people. That happens and its not just minmatar militia or amarr militia, its all of eve. It especially happens when you are about to bring down a bigger ship because it takes a while to work through those larger buffer tanks and they have more time for backup to come. But thatÆs eve. Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Also these "everyone blobing, solo dying" threads are stupid. Especially for amarr/minnie fw, when its almost always clear who is looking for 1v1s, who is tackling or baiting for gang and who does "solo work" with boosting/ecm/logi alt. For example if you are amarr, you are not going to eszur for 1v1s, but when you see bengal bob /ofc also alot of others/ in rifter around, theres a good chance of 1v1. The thread (at least my posts) is actually not a ôeveryone is blobbing, solo dyingö thread. In fact I am saying the opposite. But on the rest you might be right. I was just going through a stretch where I was finding precious few who werenÆt in a bait and gank gang or gate camp. So I check the killboards which I think supported my suspicions. I checked the killboard and it seems that the minmatar are actually doing well this month on solo kills. IÆm glad to see that. Keep in mind I only had one month where I even got on the solo ôaward list.ö So I am not saying this is the begin all and end all. I just think balance is good for the war. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906

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