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Gamst
The Graduates
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Posted - 2011.01.16 21:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Pirokobo
If that's their concern then fixing bridges alone won't do the trick because you can relay titans to the same effect.
I fully agree - and so did the rest of the CSM at the summit AND the developers. Again: we were not discussing the removal of jump bridges (and this was only hypothetical) as an isolated thing. It was part of a bigger force projection discussion we were having where we also talked about "jump drive spool up" and indeed we did talk about titan bridges.
Nobody at the CSM or CCP are advocating the isolated, complete removal of jump bridges. What the minutes show is that CCP is willing to consider significant changes to game mechanics - with the aim of making 0.0 a much more interesting and less static place.
Originally by: Pirokobo
I think the problem here is that IT alliance is whining to the devs again that we're punching them in the face every day in fountain and flying home to sleep in Deklein.
The CSM that was present in the december summit (and was quite interested in considering these radical changes) did not include any IT alliance players. It did include however a Goonswarm pilot.
About the quote on how static 0.0 is..... How much has changed in a year. Many alliances failcascaded and died in a fire and much sov changed hands many times over and over. At the moment we have -A- losing space and regaining it again with much success. How is that not good for 0.0?
I mean the influence map paints a much different picture then is being spoken of in the minutes. Seriously though a lot has changed in 0.0 and it has been amazing this last year. I don't understand how making JB's less relevant adds more dynamic to an already awesome year.
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Gamst
The Graduates
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Posted - 2011.01.16 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pirokobo
Edited by: Pirokobo on 16/01/2011 21:14:21
Originally by: d3stiny1
If EVE keeps going in the same direction it is, all of 0.0 will be essentially controlled by the russians and the NC, with entrances being constantly bubbled and permacamped.
Making 0.0 a harder place to live, discouraging rediculously massive and widespread coalitions is the only logical solution. Might as well send the russians to their own server, all they're really interested in is RMT anyway.
So far nobody has explained in this thread how taking away jump bridges is going to have the effect of destabilizing the NC or generally discouraging blocs from forming. The RedSwarm Federation controlled most of the south for half a year before jump bridges were introduced. BoB and the GBC likewise controlled the west long before bridges existed. Mind you this was in the time of real doomsdays when we were losing fleets a lot faster then we do today.
Anyone who believes that taking away bridges will magically cause all the alliance blocs to suddenly turn on each other has checked out from reality.
Logistics worked fine without bridges when we could lose a hundred battleships in a couple seconds. We'll manage fine without them now.
It is a witch hunt that is for sure on the part of CCP and some of the CSM.
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Gamst
The Graduates
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Posted - 2011.01.16 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: TZeer
Jumpbridges needs to go, or they need a massive redesign.
The way they work now is just plain ******ed. Everyone in a big NAP fest can use them.
And the world would not go under if they went away either.
Perfect example would be ASCN when they where arround. You can say what you want about ASCN, but they did have a very well stocked local market. There wasnt much you needed to go to Jita to get. And that was before jumpfreighters, jumpbridges etc.
Yes we had massive freighterruns with 30+ freighters with 100 man protection fleets, scouts in all directions etc. And yes we did get logon trapped etc.
Sometimes it was a pita, but it`s a price to pay when you wanna live in the back ass of nowhere.
Just having a look at this map should explain a great deal...
NC jump bridge map
So your asking the causal player (myself) who only gets like 2 hrs a night 3 times a week to spend that time doing logistics rather then enjoying good fights. How does that make me want to pay 15 dollars a month if all I do is fly around hoping that I can get into a fight. With JB's I can get to enemy territory quick and and have good fights over and over and have fun for my 15. I have a job and go to school. I don't need another waste of my already precious time.
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Gamst
The Graduates
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Posted - 2011.01.16 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gamst on 16/01/2011 23:23:17
Tzeer I think your missing the obvious point in that I have no intention of fighting people that I have fought alongside. My allies are my allies. Your vision for Eve is not what a sandbox should be. I don't understand your logic in that this is like doing me a favor or something. There are plenty of targets in my neighborhood.
I mean this whole discussion has just boiled down to JB's are making the larger entities to powerful blah blah blah. Half the time for fleets (larger) we are using gates and stuff. I mean do you really think a smaller alliances are going to be able to displace anyone in the north (or anywhere) and hold that territory without JB's. I don't think so. PL has had some success in being a pain in the ass, but newer alliances to 0.0 are going to get smashed and bottom line even if this does happen it won't change anything on the sov map for any of the big coalitions. This is just a hindrance on the causal gamer and will make it hard to impossible to commit time to this for finding actual good fights.
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Gamst
The Graduates
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Posted - 2011.01.17 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
Edited by: northwesten on 17/01/2011 02:05:49
One thing people really annoy me about the debate over JB
Logistic going to be a nightmare..... NO it wont you have titian and jump freighters. I use too move Freighter around in 0.0 with a large team of scouts... To be honest it was scary with billion in the hold but it was work and so what it was part of the game. Now what worry's me here is I starting to hear and see this more "I pay $15 a month I shouldn't work for it".... Bull crap you do. Everything in EVE requires Effort as a corp/team.
Now JB seems to making so easy I see we heading to the WoW effect. Easy = more fun? yer lack of risk that's for sure. Also you want to join a big fight? Well get in a fleet and have titian bridge you there if you really need to help your friends.
I been away from 0.0 for 2+ year come back and it really is easy to live in 0.0... little too easy that I go on roams and you hardly catch someone now = Boring. look at the NC map it proves that 0.0 is easy.
Hell you have ihubs to upgrade for mining and ratting. you can drop station everywhere and refine build and sell else where.
Originally by: Cassus Temon
Lowsec pirate corps, will again have the means to increase income; by trapping and destroying Nullsec vessels transporting valuable materials to Highsec markets. They will then be able to increase their operations; and become a greater problem for Nullsec alliances.
Answer too that ESCORT Or jump freighter..
I don't know of any JB's that go into NPC 0.0, low sec, or high sec. There is no easy mode. Ask the logistical pilots in said big alliances. They already give up so much to satisfy my need to fight as well as others. What this is going to essential do is make life and this game a terrible burden on their RL's and that is not what a game should do. I know people that stay in fleets for like 6+ hrs clearing towers or removing threats from our places of operation and yet this game needs to be more time consuming. Really????
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