But don't expect CCP to "fix" what isn't broken. It's not the LP store that's broken, it's your expectations of making a profit in a saturated market.

ok, u are wrong and right at the same time. Right about finding better agent, about prices being low becouse of too many ppl run same agents, but i run lvl5 missions just to support my pvp and i caan't travel around for better agent. Also lp store is broken if u can buy better gist afteburner for lower price then RF afteburner cost in tags only, it's broken becouse FW mission runners make tag prices ridiculous becouse FM don't produce tags. If i want to convert 1 mil lp to items that need tags i must buy all tags in Jita and that would make tag prices even more ridiculous. So why it's not broken? why before removing mission skills everything was good?Something realy went bad. I think it's just another ccp efort to make huge isk sink, becouse converting 1 mil lp sinks for me 1 bil isk aprox.

Don't just look at all the FW mission runners, take a look at what happened with the agent changes.

Take fed webs, for example. The 5 run bpc corps were pretty crappy because of so so agents/locations. All the agents got evened out, and BAM........everybody started doing missions for the "oddball" corps. More people needing tags means higher tag prices. The bottleneck tag went from like 1.1mil to 6+.

I miss 50mil fed webs.

oi caan't travel around for better agent.

do you UNDERSTAND if tag price went from 1 mil to 6mil the whole lp store is broken.

some ppl are so stupid, do you UNDERSTAND if tag price went from 1 mil to 6mil the whole lp store is broken. And i sugested how to fix it, do you see any drawbacks of it? i see only good things. And comenting like oh u can't move to another agent is very nice, yes i can move to another agent can move to another game also, but i like this game and want something to be fixed that is broken and if u think everything is ok, read from the begining.

I agree to everything said here but that that only means that LP store is way from balanced. If i get 100k lp per mission and i need 4 faction missions to get the tags i need to withdraw 100lp it's not sounds good becouse thats another 400 lp asuming i get 4 faction mission, right type in a row. Basicaly i'l have about 1-2 mil lp made while trying to get tags for itens cost 100 lp. And i see a problem here that needs fixing.

....just because the grazing gets thin in one area doesn't mean that the grass is broken GÇö it means it's time for you to move on and maybe nibble on some trees instead and wait for that patch of ground to recover.

some ppl are so stupid, do you UNDERSTAND if tag price went from 1 mil to 6mil the whole lp store is broken. .

Sorry, to call someone stupid, but comments like this drives me crazy. I agree to everything said here but that that only means that LP store is way from balanced. If i get 100k lp per mission and i need 4 faction missions to get the tags i need to withdraw 100lp it's not sounds good becouse thats another 400 lp asuming i get 4 faction mission, right type in a row. Basicaly i'l have about 1-2 mil lp made while trying to get tags for itens cost 100 lp. And i see a problem here that needs fixing.

Spineker, let's take small rep or ab from store, it costs 100 mil in tags and lp + isk is just small amount, and now u say that if reduce tags to let's say 10mil in cost, still make that mod not worth?

yes i do lvl5, no i don't buy tag items from store, becouse i simply get more just selling those tags alone, one faction missio gives about 70-100mil just selling tags and i repeat one more time: there are 90% of items in store that are useless becouse of amount tags needed, so why not reduce that to get those items used and moved to market? and no i'm not going to run lvl4 becouse simply lvl5 are way more profitable even with risk involved. Can u make 1.5bil in 6-7h with lvl4? if so i'l do them.

Still noone answered why we have 239 useless overpriced items in store.

some ppl are so stupid, do you UNDERSTAND if tag price went from 1 mil to 6mil the whole lp store is broken.

And comenting like oh u can't move to another agent is very nice, yes i can move to another agent can move to another game also, but i like this game and want something to be fixed that is broken and if u think everything is ok, read from the begining.

lvl 5 missions dont give out tags that are different to lvl 4's, i learnt this one the hard way.

I would like to see a Dynamic LP store. So if something never gets bought once in a day, all the requirements for it will drop by like 1-3%/daily. If something if used often the requirements will rise 1-3%/daily or something

CCP isn't going to touch this since they'd be screwing over FW players (who, incidentally, they like more than you because they blow up lots of ships in exciting pvp interactions). My view is that if an activity doesn't cause some sort of medical problem (PI when it first came out) or isn't so good that virtually everyone does it (combat missions) or so bad that virtually no one does it (ice mining missions), then I can't be bothered to care enough to change it.

do you see any drawbacks of it?

Yes. The guy selling tags will not make as much.

if tags go back in price, i'm not gonna complain just sell mods from store.

Making LP store more dependent on tags means capsuleers end up being required to make decisions that have actual in game consequences. I like it.

IMO - a more dynamic math model should be used.

That's exactly right. When a similar or better deadspace rep or AB is common enough to compete on volume, no reduction in tag cost is going to bring the faction module into price parity.

ummm, don't we already have that ... withjout CCP having to introduce any more complex mathematical models. Eve has a fairly large and moderately dynamic economy, and mission runners are a part of that economy.

Any matari mission runner with half a brain realises that only some of their LP-store items are good value for effort (I mainly get RF stuff for my own use, along with starbase charters) and they diversify into mission running elsewhere where there are either better isk returns or they get access to particularly good high-margin items, or they diversify so they're not as dependent on hisec missions for their livelihood.

Others moan that "it's broken" and that CCP should fix it for them.

IMO we have a dynamic economy in EVE, so if you don't believe that something is treating you well enough then move on to find something that does. Don't like what RF offers you? Go give Caldari Navy a try and see whether you like them more. Lots and lots of options out there.


BTW "exploration is broken" too

Example: You won't find 1MN Republic Fleet MWD/AB's up for sale. Tags are part of it but another part is the much larger availability of deadspace fittings due to easing of probe skills and the popularity of exploration.

As such, the prices on many of these modules have plumeted so low that even just LP values alone have problems competing in the market.

When a better AB is available for 15M ISK, what price point should the RF AB be available for?

GǪand as part of deciding that, you need to consider this: even at that price point, what would make people buy it?

Making LP store more dependent on tags means capsuleers end up being required to make decisions that have actual in game consequences. I like it.

GǪand as part of deciding that, you need to consider this: even at that price point, what would make people buy it?

The lp store and items could use an examination. Many of the stores are practically worthless. Some stores have an item or two with some value but with people saving up billions of concord lp everything will soon crash.

LP will be worthless for anyone except incursion runners.

The amount of pirate faction loot and deapspace loot is also driving down prices. CCP should make it so although some of that loot drops and therefore killls the lp store for that item, other items rarely drop so the lp store still has some significance. Actually I think thats what they propbably did. The problem is now concord lp comes in and kills the market for those few items that still have value.

So they need to readjust the drops - or just accept that the lp stores that you can convert concord lp for are basically written out of the game for everyone except incursion runners.

So they need to readjust the drops - or just accept that the lp stores that you can convert concord lp for are basically written out of the game for everyone except incursion runners.

Missioning for a corp generates LP much more rapidly than does incursion running, especially since concord LP converts to empire corp LP at a ratio of 5:4. That aside, I can't see why any one form of pve should be protected from market forces..

If you want to capitalise on the large quantities of LP kicking around, figure out a good way of farming rare tags.

I had thought that what was being said before was that the tag costs were prohibitively high for small modules, (and some of the larger ones but not nearly as much)

trading LP from concord to Any other Store would not influence that. Some of the stores do have one or two items that are useful (with the others requiring tags and such making their cost the same as other stores)

wouldnt this push people towards exploring FW farming (as well as incursion farming) to get tags and items ?