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Rroff
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:50:00 -
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Pulsar is perfectly possible with this method - shield moros with the right fit works, chimera and loki - you definitely need a full set of siege links and skirmish links tho. |
Rroff
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:50:00 -
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Not really gonna hit T3s or guardians with dread guns without 90% webs once they get under the guns - even a bhaal with 3 regular webs on it is fairly much immune if it can get inside ~1km - unless your refitting on the carrier for tracking, etc. as needed and even then you won't hit T3s that orbit close.
A well fit carrier + loki + dread can put up a pretty good fight if your prepared but you probably want to stash a tanked vigilant or something in the carrier if your planning to put up a fight if caught in site. |
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Posted - 2013.02.25 20:54:00 -
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Fred Ono wrote:Jack Miton wrote:
did you actually read the guide?
Yes I did... hence why my list was exactly what you typed minus the link pilot and asking if the second carrier was worth it. I was just asking for tips/advice on doing it solo, no need to be aggressive about it.
Don't think he was being agressive as such - Jack has pretty much cut it back to the barebones so what he lists is basically the minimum to make it worthwhile and efficient - sure you may be able to come up with some variations on the theme with experience but thats another matter. |
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Posted - 2013.03.10 23:55:00 -
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Celeste Starwind wrote:There is one thing bothering me. Are you saying to refit sieged dred? Is it even possible?
And did anyone tried a rapier in place of loki?
Any ship can be refit including sieged/triaged if they are within refitting range of a carrier or orca - probably not a good idea to bring an orca in site tho :P
Rapiers can be used but they are quite thin on tank compared to a loki.
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Posted - 2013.03.11 01:17:00 -
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They won't be pulling all 4 waves at once - any more than about 2 escalation waves tops and they will be alphaing through the huginn.
What we used to do in a C5 pulsar is drop a rorqual in with the dreads (to keep the webbing ships alive) to get things started and bring the carriers in later. |
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:31:00 -
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Ah missed that bit.
Individual sleeper groups don't tend to focus fire with other groups and if you drop the huginns in last and keep them the opposite side of the capitals to the sleepers they will hardly get shot at due to sleepers using preferred sig radius based targetting priorities. But if one does get webbed down and shot at by 2 or more groups theres a high chance it will pop. |
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:21:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:I'm actually more interested in how the dreads survive. I mean, with a single repper they can only tank ~7000dps, which is two sleeper waves, and the dreads don't have cap to perma run the repper if you're max gank fitting them.
Aslong as you have good webbing/tp support and/or use warp to zero method a dread setup roughly like this (with approprite implants)
Quote:[Moros, Pulsar Moros]
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I, Guristas Antimatter Charge XL
Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I, Guristas Antimatter Charge XL
Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I, Guristas Antimatter Charge XL
Siege Module II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Does fine in a C5 pulsar. |
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:40:00 -
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You would need 2 huginns to fully support that kind of fit, if you have 2-4 capitals in site its rare for any one of them to take full aggro from multiple waves indefinitely and aslong as your dreads are hitting well you will be killing guardians much quicker than they are killing you. Obviously tho that kind of setup doesn't leave much room for screw ups.
When we used to live in a pulsar we'd have a siege mindlinked booster and I'd have an alt boosting from a prot for the extra target painting bonus infowar links give. |
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Posted - 2013.03.12 01:52:00 -
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Was thinking earlier I'd be a bit concerned about the changes to the compensation skills if we were still in a pulsar. If your prepared to run 2x huginn (2x web, 1x TP on each) you can get a little over 100K EHP out of them in a C5 pulsar w/ siege links and fairly good resists. |
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:47:00 -
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Have to admit I'd forgotten that stopping shooting in a dread often results in the sleepers losing interest in you - as the times I've ran a dread I've been able to brawl right through the site. They are evil tho and the one time you really really need them to stop shooting you they will just keep shooting you regardless :S
Had a look at the moros fit but you were obviously refitting that during the fight for various different purposes so hard to get an idea of the original fit. |
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Posted - 2013.04.17 13:51:00 -
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Aslong as your carrier is well fit (and how easy it is depends a bit on system effects) then it comes down to luck of the draw how much any one dread gets primaried. In theory it should be rare that all 3 waves went for one dread and if they did it can probably stop shooting which usually results in them switching targets.
Keeping well fit lokis alive should be trivial, keeping them capped up might be a little harder but probably nothing that can't be managed. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 19:06:00 -
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Yokomaki wrote:Thanks for this guide, it's helping our corp come up with a long term training plan. What is the raw incoming dps from an 8 BS escalation wave?
Sustained damage from 8 guardians on a capital is 5k dps as close as makes no difference, you'd want a little more repping power than that tho to keep things comfortable. The neuting is potentially more of an issue than the dps on a well fit capital.
I've rarely had any issues repping full aggro from 8+ guardians on one repper tho. |
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Posted - 2013.07.05 20:03:00 -
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IIRC they neut -36cap/s per guardian which is slightly less than 2x t1 heavy neuts. Usually aslong as your killing them at a fair rate the neuting isn't a major issue but it can be if theres any hold up i.e. someone going afk at the wrong time. |
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Posted - 2013.09.05 17:18:00 -
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Sleeper guardian dps was increased from 617 to 694 each sometime between the release of odyssey and ~13th of August by the looks of it. |
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