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SkinSin
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:41:00 -
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 Originally by: StyphonUK
But to expect CCP to test legacy hardware is ridiculous. 99.7% of Eve players run hardware that isn't affected. It is unreasonable to expect CCP to test every hardware configuration with modern hardware, let alone legacy equipment. They couldn't have known about this without testing legacy equipment. Therefore to expect more notice on an issue such as this is unreasonable. You're lucky that they noticed this at all before release.
Actually, it's not. If they say they support it, they should be testing on it in order to make sure. Unfortunately, the minimum system requirements are vague at best which might serve CCPs needs for not doing the testing, but ends up alienating some people.
Also, the complaint is that a third party piece of the product changed it's requirements to require SSE2 and CCP devs didn't know about this until 2 days before the patch went live. Now either the doco for the third party stuff is crap (which is possible), or CCP devs updated to a newer version without checking that things hadn't changed (which is also possible). In any case, it's the 2 days warning that are riling up some people as they now have active accounts that they won't be able to play until they can update their equipment.
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Emilie Sunstrider
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:42:00 -
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oh come on.
if you still using those cpu you dont deserve to be on the internet. seriously, a Semprom CPU plus a 754 motherboard is less than 40US$. if you dont have 40US$ you need to quit EVE and find a job.
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gark32
Originally by: Dani WH
I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all 
according to moore's law, a six year old machine is in fact pre-jurassic. pre-Cambrian, even. you could get an upgraded CPU from that machine for less than a burger and fries.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Euriti
90% of the 0.3% will be bots
I would bet on a higher amount than 90%. More like 97-98%.
Why? I'd have money on the 'professional' gold farmers throwing a el cheapo quad core with multiple monitors and a cloned vmware player machine. Each running the bot. The hardware is cheap but the power to feed multiple machine might not be... when you look at the long term.
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StyphonUK
Caldari
Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: StyphonUK
But to expect CCP to test legacy hardware is ridiculous. 99.7% of Eve players run hardware that isn't affected. It is unreasonable to expect CCP to test every hardware configuration with modern hardware, let alone legacy equipment. They couldn't have known about this without testing legacy equipment. Therefore to expect more notice on an issue such as this is unreasonable. You're lucky that they noticed this at all before release.
Actually, it's not. If they say they support it, they should be testing on it in order to make sure. Unfortunately, the minimum system requirements are vague at best which might serve CCPs needs for not doing the testing, but ends up alienating some people.
Also, the complaint is that a third party piece of the product changed it's requirements to require SSE2 and CCP devs didn't know about this until 2 days before the patch went live. Now either the doco for the third party stuff is crap (which is possible), or CCP devs updated to a newer version without checking that things hadn't changed (which is also possible). In any case, it's the 2 days warning that are riling up some people as they now have active accounts that they won't be able to play until they can update their equipment.
Their minimum requirements are a guide, not what they should be testing to. I agree they are a little vague but I still think it's overly optimistic to expect a games developer to test legacy equipment.
Originally by: Dani WH
I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all
Gamers in general update once every 3 years at least, quite often every 2 years. Whilst this is not achievable for everyone, at least once every 5 years is not demanding a great deal. If you don't want to update then don't expect everyone else to stick at your level. There are more people who want to see the latest graphics and get the best possible performance than who are happy to stay with 5 year old graphics.
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
To ruin your day: Spectrum ZX80 had 16k ROM + 48k RAM (6k were the 'video memory' lol)
There was no Spectrum ZX80. There was a Sinclair ZX80 (after their programmable calculator), then a Sinclair ZX81 and then a Sinclair Spectrum.
AFAIK, the ZX80 came with 1Kb RAM & 4kb ROM but could have a 16Kb RAM Expansion.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:43:00 -
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Protip: If your computer still has a "Windows ME" sticker on it...its better used as a bird house. Does not apply if you have one with a P4 in it, because YES THEY'RE THAT ****ING OLD. God damn people...upgrayyeeed, I had to upgrade my second PC to continue using eve when they updated to shader model 2...I hit the dump and found the part I needed. Thing still runs it. Quit crying and call a friend who works somewhere with a lot of computers, they'll have something for you.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: StyphonUK
Unfortunately you are firmly in the minority here. 99% would much rather have better graphics than using your imagination. If you want to use your imagination go play a paper and pen RPG (no I'm not dissing them, I play paper and pen RPGs).
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
Yesterday they could fly a spaceship, nothing changed in space, today they cannot. Arrogant THAT.
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Agallis Zinthros
Amarr
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:59:00 -
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IMO if some SSE2 optimization is turned on just leave it on. Who cares? Let the game run more efficiently for the 99.7% of us that can run the new client.
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StyphonUK
Caldari
Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: StyphonUK
Unfortunately you are firmly in the minority here. 99% would much rather have better graphics than using your imagination. If you want to use your imagination go play a paper and pen RPG (no I'm not dissing them, I play paper and pen RPGs).
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
Yesterday they could fy a spaceship, nothing changed in space, today they cannot. Arrogant THAT.
You have no idea why they have enabled SSE2 instruction set. They could be using it in some of their coding. It's not much to ask to upgrade once every 5 years if you still want to be able to play the latest games.
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Flibertygibbet
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:45:00 -
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....and all Macs. Oh wait but thats THIS week.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aargolos
For those of us who aren't "that" computer literate, how would one go about figuring out if their computer can run EvE after the Incursion patch?
(I'm fairly ******ed in this department, but my lappy is "only" 3 years old...)
Search for a program named cpu-z, that shows your cpu and what it's capable of ! You're probably fine with that laptop though.
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Agallis Zinthros
Amarr
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Aargolos
For those of us who aren't "that" computer literate, how would one go about figuring out if their computer can run EvE after the Incursion patch?
(I'm fairly ******ed in this department, but my lappy is "only" 3 years old...)
Search for a program named cpu-z, that shows your cpu and what it's capable of ! You're probably fine with that laptop though.
If it's three years old he's fine. SSE 1 only CPUs haven't been manufactured for quite a bit longer than that.
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Crystal Sevar
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:30:00 -
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A good example of disproportional responses this thread is. 0.3% can't play and yet it seems like everyone and their mother cares somehow. Pretty sure my cellphone has more Mhz than a CPU made 10 years ago... :|
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Karinski
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:10:00 -
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OPEN RESPONSE TO EVE PLAYERS ON THIS THREAD:
1) Make no mistake, I would LOVE to upgrade my computer but the kids and the bills say otherwise.
2) The issue is NOT that my very old processor won't run EVE...it's that my old processor ran EVE perfectly until Incursions. It was visually beautiful with no lag.
3) I had just reactivated my account after a 3-week absence.
4) I understand that the EVE community is a notoriously hearty, tough and un-sympathetic lot...but do you REALLY lack the ability to sympathize with other people who simply want to keep playing EVE?
How sad.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.22 01:30:00 -
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7 pages of customers CCP didn't want anyway.
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Nite Piper
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Karinski
OPEN RESPONSE TO EVE PLAYERS ON THIS THREAD:
1) Make no mistake, I would LOVE to upgrade my computer but the kids and the bills say otherwise.
2) The issue is NOT that my very old processor won't run EVE...it's that my old processor ran EVE perfectly until Incursions. It was visually beautiful with no lag.
3) I had just reactivated my account after a 3-week absence.
4) I understand that the EVE community is a notoriously hearty, tough and un-sympathetic lot...but do you REALLY lack the ability to sympathize with other people who simply want to keep playing EVE?
How sad.
I hear your pain. And yes, finances may be tight for many of us. Still, there might just be the off chance that you're caught up in the common perception that a gaming PC costs +$1000. So I'm suggesting you this:
Athlon II X3 434 = $71
(This CPU will run everything in comfort without breaking any sweat, including any existing or planned game - combined with a decent videocard) Or you can cut a few $ more:
Athlon II X2 250 = $58
(While it's hardly a highperforming CPU, it's still way overkill for EVE, and will blow your mind compared to what you have today). Both these CPUs use AM3 socket.
You can get an ATX board with AMD 770 chipset for this for $60, like the ASRock M3A770DE. Or get by with an AMD 760G uATX board for $45, like Biostar A780L3L.
4GB ddr3 RAM, 2 X 2GB 240-pin PC10666 (1333MT/s) will set you back a further $40.
Videocard for this could be either a Radeon 5750 for $110-120 , which requires an extra PCIe power cable from your PSU, or the Radeon 5670 for $80, which doesn't.
You should also be able to get by with a 300-350W PSU for all this. Like an Antec basiq, $30. (doesn't have the PCIe cable for R5750) or a Sparkle or FSP 400W which does, for $45. (these PSUs have only one SATA cable, but frankly, that's all you should need)
So without case and OS, we're at $281 for the öhigh performance systemö (and frankly, it's so good enough, there's really no normal, significant difference in user experience from a $2000 system).
Or $223 for the budget gaming PC option. Add another $100 for Win7 home 64 OEM. I assume you have a usable case, if not, one should still be possible to scavenge some old from somewhere.
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