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sasuk
Gallente New Eden Construction Holdings
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: sasuk on 17/01/2011 01:02:17 OMG rant rave oh ! wait its not me, but i do think ccp shoud tell every one about this
changes to cpu requirements with incursion 1.1.0 reported by CCP Zulu | 2011.01.16 23:16:02 | NEW | Comments
TL;DR: CPUs that don't support the SSE2 instruction set will not be able to run EVE Online after the Incursion 1.1.0 deployment on Tuesday, January 18, 2011. This will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client.
During the testing of Incursion 1.1.0 we received reports of a seemingly random issue that caused the client to crash on startup. While some of our Singularity testers reported the issue, we weren't able to replicate it. The error log that was generated didn't prove to be helpful,"fake edit"(our logs show nothing working as intended) and due to the extremely few reports we received on it, we couldn't take the investigation further.
In an epiphany moment, a diligent tester figured out that some of the third party binaries we use to run EVE Online had been updated recently. Looking further into the issue, we found that a feature had been turned on that used the SSE2 instruction set and the unexpected fallout was that non-SSE2 capable CPUs became incompatible.
We've looked at hardware trend reports and the general status of the market and this obsolete generation of CPUs in desktop computers and gaming rigs is nearly extinct. We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected. We have, therefore, decided to not let this block the deployment of Incursion 1.1.0. An info message that pops up when you start the client on a non-SSE2 capable machine has been added for clarification. We urge everyone who encounters this specific error to submit a petition to our customer support department. We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue.
Cheers,
CCP Zulu
oh Linkage see it did happen i have a linky 
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Badger Molester
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: sasuk i do think ccp shoud tell every one about this
Originally by: sasuk changes to cpu requirements with incursion 1.1.0 reported by CCP Zulu | 2011.01.16 23:16:02 |
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:04:00 -
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I am a self-admitted computer idiot... but I gather that since I have been on SISI numerous time as of late I am fine.
I did however get that annoying bug where I DC'd every time I docked. But everyone I knew was getting it as well and I doubt that this is what it is referring too. I bought this computer when shader4 became the minimum req, it sucks that CCP keeps doing this to people.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: sasuk Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client.
Oh the horror.  ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |

Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:12:00 -
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tl:dr I guess: if you cant find your processor for sale anywhere but ebay then perhaps its time to think about an upgrade.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Space Pods Inc
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:19:00 -
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1980 called... it wants it's microprocessors back.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Borun Tal 1980 called... it wants it's microprocessors back.
Pff. 68030 > all. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |

Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:26:00 -
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Breaking News!
Punchcard fed machines will no longer be able to run the EvE Client!
Film at eleven!
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:34:00 -
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Push the Turbo button ya lazy gits.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
CINA
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:55:00 -
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If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Also, if you really have a processor that old, then what you should be complaining about is your own lack of means to upgrade, not CCP's unwillingness to support decades old, barely functioning crap. :) ======================================
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:58:00 -
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Oh well, I guess I had to upgrade sometime. I am guessing EVE won't run on my 486DX 4/100 either? It was my gaming rig when we were playing Descent all those years ago. It even had a 200MB hard drive.
*retires old PCs to the recycling bin*
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.01.17 01:59:00 -
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So apparently my almost 7 year old CPU will still be fine. Good to know, but then again would have been a good excuse to upgrade...
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.01.17 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mr LaForge on 17/01/2011 02:37:51 My abacus still runs Eve just fine.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.17 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: sasuk We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected.
So, about 1000 people ? Piece of cake. Plus, I bet they had a really hard time playing EVE anyway. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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KaarBaak
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.17 03:22:00 -
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Maybe they could fix it so that those processors will be unable to run the new forums as well. Then the folks affected won't be able to create endless whine threads about how ccp is making them buy new hardware every 10 years.
KB
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Theodoric Darkwind
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Posted - 2011.01.17 03:25:00 -
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That a P3 or Athlon XP would even run EVE is suprising to me
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.17 03:26:00 -
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Eve was always easy on the hardware needs. As far as those issues go it was the best MMO in the world and I am sure it still will be. PIII is pusing the bounds of reality today. Obviously a P4 will run it.
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Spineker
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.17 03:29:00 -
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But then considering crashes tonight I doubt eve runs on much more than a bunch of P III's linked.
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Trellish
The Perfect Storm Random-Violence
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Posted - 2011.01.17 03:30:00 -
[19]
Uggghhhh!!!!
Thanks sasuk for the Info.
Way to go CCP for failing to even bother to make a serious attempt to notify us that our computers likely won't run eve shortly.
Did a quick search, and it looks like the 32 bit athlon XP 2400 doesn't support SSE2. For those who were wondering, the CPU ran eve just fine. Obviously med/low quality rather than ultra, but I didn't have a slideshow or anything like that... no major lag except for when jumping gates into a couple hundred man fleet... but everybody had that.
Sheesh CCP... one more fail to add to a very long list.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:07:00 -
[20]
Now I wonder if CCP is using any CPUs without SSE2 on their servers... :-P
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Aargolos
Minmatar Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:11:00 -
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For those of us who aren't "that" computer literate, how would one go about figuring out if their computer can run EvE after the Incursion patch?
(I'm fairly ******ed in this department, but my lappy is "only" 3 years old...)
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: sasuk Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client.
Oh the horror. 
Isn't that the processor that connected to the motherboard via a slot, not much unlike a PCI slot? ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trellish Uggghhhh!!!! Did a quick search, and it looks like the 32 bit athlon XP 2400 doesn't support SSE2.
The XP 2400+ is from 2002, it's almost 9 years old.
8.5 year old hardware is getting phased out, the horror!
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7w33k5 p5ych0515
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:22:00 -
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sposing its a good thing i finally replaced my 7 yr old single core athlon last month :P
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 17/01/2011 04:22:32
Originally by: Trellish Sheesh CCP... one more fail to add to a very long list.
Tell you what, I'll hold onto your stuff while you buy a $20 computer off craigslist to replace the one (you have) now.
Ed: Horrible horrible posting.
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Dossie Kielle
Clan Kielle
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:22:00 -
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So, 0.3% of the population are going to be unable to play EVE until they dig their stumpy little T-rex arms into their pockets and buy something that wasn't made circa 1976. Really, I've said it before, P3 and Athalon XP CPUs should be in museums, not inside your PC. @ ancient CPU users: Does ship spinning lag you out on lowest graphics?
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:24:00 -
[27]
Originally by: sasuk Edited by: sasuk on 17/01/2011 01:02:17 OMG rant rave oh ! wait its not me, but i do think ccp shoud tell every one about this
changes to cpu requirements with incursion 1.1.0 reported by CCP Zulu | 2011.01.16 23:16:02 | NEW | Comments
TL;DR: CPUs that don't support the SSE2 instruction set will not be able to run EVE Online after the Incursion 1.1.0 deployment on Tuesday, January 18, 2011. This will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client.
During the testing of Incursion 1.1.0 we received reports of a seemingly random issue that caused the client to crash on startup. While some of our Singularity testers reported the issue, we weren't able to replicate it. The error log that was generated didn't prove to be helpful,"fake edit"(our logs show nothing working as intended) and due to the extremely few reports we received on it, we couldn't take the investigation further.
In an epiphany moment, a diligent tester figured out that some of the third party binaries we use to run EVE Online had been updated recently. Looking further into the issue, we found that a feature had been turned on that used the SSE2 instruction set and the unexpected fallout was that non-SSE2 capable CPUs became incompatible.
We've looked at hardware trend reports and the general status of the market and this obsolete generation of CPUs in desktop computers and gaming rigs is nearly extinct. We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected. We have, therefore, decided to not let this block the deployment of Incursion 1.1.0. An info message that pops up when you start the client on a non-SSE2 capable machine has been added for clarification. We urge everyone who encounters this specific error to submit a petition to our customer support department. We will have updates on the next steps we take with this issue immediately after the weekend but we wanted to get a blog up ASAP to inform everyone about the issue.
Cheers,
CCP Zulu
oh Linkage see it did happen i have a linky 
when are you going to quit?
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:24:00 -
[28]
Combat: Incursion 1.1.0 misses your Pentium 820D completely.

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SolinaXex
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:26:00 -
[29]
Originally by: mechtech
Originally by: Trellish Uggghhhh!!!! Did a quick search, and it looks like the 32 bit athlon XP 2400 doesn't support SSE2.
The XP 2400+ is from 2002, it's almost 9 years old.
8.5 year old hardware is getting phased out, the horror!
Hey now, I just threw away my Commodore64 2 years ago! The old way of having a client for slower systems could be useful. I think the estimates are kinda low on the older hardware.
Gamers tend to be hardware junkies, hate to throw anything away or disuse anything. We love a challenge in getting things to work.
Heck, CCP kept using Dell for their servers for years! You should know what I am talking about! Thank god they are not anymore.
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Iman Jacobi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 Will a Intel Celeron(P) 325 2.53 GHz run it?
Its for a friend and Ive spent about a half hour lookiung I cant even fint the Celeron P lol
You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dossie Kielle
Really, I've said it before, P3 and Athalon XP CPUs should be in museums, not inside your PC. @ ancient CPU users: Does ship spinning lag you out on lowest graphics?
Quote: cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 10 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) stepping : 0 cpu MHz : 1052.377 cache size : 512 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up bogomips : 2107.31 clflush size : 32 power management: ts
That rig actually did run a acout alt once upon a time.
Now it is a firewall..
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Iman Jacobi Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 Will a Intel Celeron(P) 325 2.53 GHz run it?
Its for a friend and Ive spent about a half hour lookiung I cant even fint the Celeron P lol
You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/23/Intel_Celeron_D_325.html So, yeah... it will work.
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Borun Tal
Minmatar Space Pods Inc
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Posted - 2011.01.17 05:00:00 -
[33]
God, some of you are so young it's frightening...
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Harotak
Method of Destruction
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Posted - 2011.01.17 05:27:00 -
[34]
DL3TC crew checking in
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.17 06:35:00 -
[35]
Hey Frank, let me dub your PC TOOLS disks.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
CINA
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Captain Fortune
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Posted - 2011.01.17 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Iman Jacobi Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
Not really true with EVE, you could easily buy something second hand that would cost you double figures.
And hell if you want to splash out well you're only talking about a couple of hundred minimum. I went through 3 complete computer upgrades while I was full time at college, working at a minimum wage part time store job.
Originally by: Borun Tal God, some of you are so young it's frightening...
I still have my AthlonXP machine here, it's kinda funny to see remarks like 'decades old' when it was fully capable of running Call of Duty 2, Half Life 2, FEAR etc 
Oh and by the way, for a quick and easy system info (Like to see what CPU you have) I like to use Speccy, made by the same guys as CCleaner, Piriform.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:10:00 -
[37]
Do you KNOW how much I paid for this Pentium Pro 200MMX when I bought it???
And now you tell me it's useless? ---
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Iman Jacobi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:15:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Captain Fortune
Originally by: Iman Jacobi Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
Not really true with EVE, you could easily buy something second hand that would cost you double figures.
And hell if you want to splash out well you're only talking about a couple of hundred minimum. I went through 3 complete computer upgrades while I was full time at college, working at a minimum wage part time store job.
He doesnt HAVE a job. Work market sucks so bad here, Disney isnt even hiring. So, yeah, no money = no new computer.
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:19:00 -
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I think CCP is just really screwing over us 286 users for no good reason. 
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Firkragg
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:20:00 -
[40]
Seriosuly are people really complaining that they cant play a modern game on their 8 year old computer?
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:22:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Iman Jacobi
Originally by: Captain Fortune
Originally by: Iman Jacobi Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
Not really true with EVE, you could easily buy something second hand that would cost you double figures.
And hell if you want to splash out well you're only talking about a couple of hundred minimum. I went through 3 complete computer upgrades while I was full time at college, working at a minimum wage part time store job.
He doesnt HAVE a job. Work market sucks so bad here, Disney isnt even hiring. So, yeah, no money = no new computer.
Oh my god!!!
Skip lunch tomorrow, take the money and go buy a processor made this millennium. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:34:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Iman Jacobi
Originally by: Captain Fortune
Originally by: Iman Jacobi Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
Not really true with EVE, you could easily buy something second hand that would cost you double figures.
And hell if you want to splash out well you're only talking about a couple of hundred minimum. I went through 3 complete computer upgrades while I was full time at college, working at a minimum wage part time store job.
He doesnt HAVE a job. Work market sucks so bad here, Disney isnt even hiring. So, yeah, no money = no new computer.
He clearly has some source of income, since he can keep on living and keep on playing games. People with no income live in boxes on the street and they don't own computers or pay for internet access.
The point is that even minimal amounts of money, few months of subscription cost at max, will buy you a working used computer. That kind of money is easily saved from even minor income by stretching your dollar and getting rid of all non-necessary expenses for a while or selling a few things on e-bay or local second hand stores. I've been there and so have others. It only requires little effort/sacrifice. If that is truly outside what someone is capable of or can afford, and not just inconvenient or hard because you are strapped for cash, your inability to play EVE is the least of your problems.
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Fr0g'us
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:34:00 -
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quoting myself.
Originally by: Fr0g'us Edited by: Fr0g''us on 17/01/2011 08:25:32 i got a pc with a p3 750, 2 gb ram, 7900 gt video card. i use it mostly to run some websites on it, but it can run 2 clients of eve just fine. low settings of course. is not my main rig, but was nice to be able to do a team viewer on it, and change skills when i was away, in places with limited internet acces. so ... /frown.
and for the people with buy a new proc :
if you buy a new proc, you need to change motherboard/memory/video card aswell.
an second hand p4 does not work on 370 socket (i hope i'm not confusing sockets here), so at minimum you need to change the motherboard aswell.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:37:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 17/01/2011 08:38:45
Originally by: Fr0g'us quoting myself.
Originally by: Fr0g'us Edited by: Fr0g''us on 17/01/2011 08:25:32 i got a pc with a p3 750, 2 gb ram, 7900 gt video card. i use it mostly to run some websites on it, but it can run 2 clients of eve just fine. low settings of course. is not my main rig, but was nice to be able to do a team viewer on it, and change skills when i was away, in places with limited internet acces. so ... /frown.
and for the people with buy a new proc :
if you buy a new proc, you need to change motherboard/memory/video card aswell.
an second hand p4 does not work on 370 socket (i hope i'm not confusing sockets here), so at minimum you need to change the motherboard aswell.
So skip 2 lunches... ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |

Teibor
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:54:00 -
[45]
This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:55:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind That a P3 or Athlon XP would even run EVE is suprising to me
Me too, wonder how many other MMO's would run on such an old processor set?
------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:15:00 -
[47]
it will probably be hard enough to find a GFX card that will run on that system --
Join BIG
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Fr0g'us
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:27:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Fr0g''us on 17/01/2011 09:27:23
Originally by: Serge Bastana
Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind That a P3 or Athlon XP would even run EVE is suprising to me
Me too, wonder how many other MMO's would run on such an old processor set?
mmorpg that worked fine on my p3 (i play them when i was bored at work, and had the system near by -> now is in a server room, not all accounts beign mine.) worked fine means medium/low details, 30+ fps, 1024 res. of course, a 80+ man raid or 500 people battles was not possible.
wow precataclysm warhammer battleforge tabula rasa guild wars city of heroes, villains. ddo lineage 2
not playable : lotr aoc
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:31:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Borun Tal 1980 called... it wants it's microprocessors back.
Pff. 68030 > all.
*brofist*
Who needs more than 256 bytes of cache anyway?
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:46:00 -
[50]
So, no more EVE on my ZX Spectrum 48K? Booooo
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:48:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Y Berion So, no more EVE on my ZX Spectrum 48K? Booooo
EVE runs just fine on my Difference Engine.
------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:49:00 -
[52]
In ~2 days we'll find out who has those CPUs uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Afrid Zaror
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Posted - 2011.01.17 10:13:00 -
[53]
I didn't even know Pentium 3's could run it to begin with. I mean, back in like 2001, I bought a PC for about ú399 and if I remember rightly even that came with a Pentium 4 as standard... who the hell is still using P3?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 10:20:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Iman Jacobi Edited by: Iman Jacobi on 17/01/2011 04:36:38 Will a Intel Celeron(P) 325 2.53 GHz run it?
Its for a friend and Ive spent about a half hour lookiung I cant even fint the Celeron P lol
You also have to realize not everyone has their mom buy their PCs for them. Some ppl have to work and save to afford them
Pretty sure it will, since that's a P4 core.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |

Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2011.01.17 10:30:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Borun Tal 1980 called... it wants it's microprocessors back.
1990 called, they laugh at your computer history.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:20:00 -
[56]
No more EVE on my HTPC and the big screen :(
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NiiKleagh
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:22:00 -
[57]
How about my AMD Dual-core 4600+ 2.4 GHz?
I've killed a LOT of people with it, and I don't play eve for the graphics; they have always been set to the lowest settings, and my Eve screen to the smallest size (to sorta see parts of two-characters' clients on one screen).
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:29:00 -
[58]
Originally by: NiiKleagh How about my AMD Dual-core 4600+ 2.4 GHz?
I've killed a LOT of people with it, and I don't play eve for the graphics; they have always been set to the lowest settings, and my Eve screen to the smallest size (to sorta see parts of two-characters' clients on one screen).
4600+ is definitely fine.
The CPUs that won't work are old AMD Barton core CPUs (non 64-bit AMD XP pricessors), and Pentium 3s.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:33:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Cyaxares II on 17/01/2011 11:36:10
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Do you KNOW how much I paid for this Pentium Pro 200MMX when I bought it???
And now you tell me it's useless?
set up a lean Linux system, run Bochs on it, install Windows inside a Bochs VM, run EVE
(the last 2 steps might take a loooooong time on that hardware^^)
edit:
on a serious note: there probably are projects out there that can emulate SSE2 instructions using SSE without having emulate a whole PC - but the sort of hardware that does not support SSE2 would probably not be able to take the performance impact of this emulation either.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:47:00 -
[60]
Actually I run the EvE client on a piece of A4 and a set of coloured crayons, its fine at the moment. But does this mean that I will have to write SSE2 before I play every time now? Or will I need a new set of crayons?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:53:00 -
[61]
Will I still be able to run EVE with my steam powered difference engine and kinotrope clackers?
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:55:00 -
[62]
1's and 0's don't care, and never will. Lazy programmers care.
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:17:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Neamus Actually I run the EvE client on a piece of A4 and a set of coloured crayons, its fine at the moment. But does this mean that I will have to write SSE2 before I play every time now? Or will I need a new set of crayons?
Best one so far! My hat is off to you, good Sir!
Originally by: CCP Navigator Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:27:00 -
[64]
awww now I cant semi-afk nom ice in my workshop 
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum |

SkinSin
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:38:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Neamus Actually I run the EvE client on a piece of A4 and a set of coloured crayons, its fine at the moment.
I suspect you get huge lag when someone else enters system...
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Mitchell Hagen
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:46:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Teibor This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.
This!!
It turns out that I am affected by this. My 2005-vintage computer runs EVE fine, with graphics settings turned down to low. I can run two instances of the EVE client without difficulty. Sometimes the frame rate is low but I don't play EVE to make fraps movies.
I only found out about this when the Sisi client started crashing after I updated it last week. Then I looked up the SSE2 message and found this thread.
I think it is wrong for players to be told of such a change only two days or so before a patch when subscriptions are paid for with longer periods. Has CCP indicated exactly why this change is necessary?
I cannot upgrade my computer because I lack the money.
Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
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Lord Wamphyri
Amarr Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:51:00 -
[67]
WTB: EVE client for my Amiga 4000
SAVE THE RED EYES IN THE NEW CHARACTER CREATOR! |

Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:54:00 -
[68]
Oh well. Guess it's time to go back to Elite.
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Schani Kratnorr
x13 IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:56:00 -
[69]
There are two things about this no one cares to mention.
First there is the fact that some players use older machines to run their 2nd/3rd/4th account, and CCP has absolutely no idea how many that is.
I mention this because not knowing could ultimately cost them subscriptions they were not aware were in danger. Personally I suspect 4+ year old machines are quite uncommon as they would have been forced out when the graphics engine was revamped.
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the way this was discovered and subsequently communicated to the customers is worrying. No one at CCP noticed how their module dependencies introduced incompatibilities. This time it was "just 0,3 percent of customer hardware" but next time it could be more than that.
Simple updates can impact performance. Worryingly, they almost make it through testing without getting noticed and documented. In this case, the error seems to have been identified by a volunteer.
Maybe someone needs to start reading up on documentation for those "modules" the EVE codebase makes use of. If not, CCP runs the risk of suddenly "not supporting this and that due to a change in something we had no idea about."
Reading the devblog I got the same damagecontrol-feeling as I got when I ran in to a friend. He had vomit down his chin and shirt. I asked him if he was "okay because you have vomit on your face?" to which he replied, "that is not vomit and I am fine. Not intoxicated or sick at all."
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:59:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Borun Tal God, some of you are so young it's frightening...
Young people scare you, that's frightening.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:01:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Firkragg Seriosuly are people really complaining that they cant play an 8 year old game on their 8 year old computer?
fixed.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:04:00 -
[72]
i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:06:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Firkragg Seriosuly are people really complaining that they cant play a modern game on their 8 year old computer?
What modern game?This game is older than the computers that will not be able to run it anymore.
I don't care because I can play any game out with all settings on high but for the older computer users it is kind of messed up to tell them that they can't run it now.I understand we have to go with the times but at least a months notice whould be nice.
Not just let everyone pay and then say "oh by the way...stuff".
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Elleni Stareru
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:09:00 -
[74]
Do anyone know if my old AMD athlon 64 duel core will still be supported ?
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Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:10:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Elleni Stareru Do anyone know if my old AMD athlon 64 duel core will still be supported ?
Should be just fine.
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Elleni Stareru
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:18:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Y Berion
Originally by: Elleni Stareru Do anyone know if my old AMD athlon 64 duel core will still be supported ?
Should be just fine.
Phew... was getting scared for a moment there, this cpu is 4 years old or so...
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Kiko Tojima
Amarr Daughters of Hada
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:24:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr ... Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the way this was discovered and subsequently communicated to the customers is worrying. No one at CCP noticed how their module dependencies introduced incompatibilities. This time it was "just 0,3 percent of customer hardware" but next time it could be more than that. ...
I also find it very disturbing that they don't test every external codec at the Reykjavik Museum of Natural History. For shame, for shame!
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:25:00 -
[78]
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897554
download to see if this'll affect you ;-)
Hoppit!
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Artisan Botanist
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:26:00 -
[79]
So much for "it is that good it will run on your amiga" 
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EffBee Primus
Caldari DCS Ltd
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:26:00 -
[80]
Edited by: EffBee Primus on 17/01/2011 13:26:58
Originally by: Dossie Kielle So, 0.3% of the population are going to be unable to play EVE until they dig their stumpy little T-rex arms into their pockets and buy something that wasn't made circa 1976. Really, I've said it before, P3 and Athalon XP CPUs should be in museums, not inside your PC. @ ancient CPU users: Does ship spinning lag you out on lowest graphics?
A PC based on the Athlon XP 2400 with 2 Gig RAM and and Windows XP is a fine little machine even if a little long in the tooth for modern games. I retired mine last winter and bought a more modern beastie but the old chappie is still in use by other family members, perfectly adequately, for non-games stuff. It certainly doesn't belong in a museum. The only reason I stopped using it was because Windows 2000 support died away last year and I though that if I had to rebuild my personal PC environment I might as well do it on new hardware as it takes so long to get everything just right. It was no great extra trouble to set up XP and office on the old beastie. And yes - I have heard of Windows 7. YEs It is ALSO installed in a partition on my new machine, and no - I'm not switching to it till it is a few years old.
I'm not a great fan of the consumer society. Proud to be a CareBear |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:29:00 -
[81]
Originally by: HeIIfire11 What modern game?This game is older than the computers that will not be able to run it anymore.
The game is not the same as it was back in 2003.
Incidentally, 2003 was also when the last of these obsoleted processors stopped being manufactured. In fact, the production of most of them had stopped long before thatà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |

Ejit
Amarr STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:30:00 -
[82]
The boffins at Bletchley Park are not gonna be too happy. They've spent years rebuilding Colossus just for EVE 
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EffBee Primus
Caldari DCS Ltd
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:31:00 -
[83]
A lot of people don't seem to have the blog.
If I read it right it implies the situation with old processors is a temporary one to be resolved in a week or so, but they are not delaying the deployment of the new version because of the problem.
If I read it right.
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Jekyl Eraser
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:34:00 -
[84]
Anyone who got game over for this, send me your isk and i'll give it 10% interest incase you can later return to the game. I'm trusted banker. My business plan is flawless because only 10% return back to the game.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:36:00 -
[85]
People still use pentium 3? 
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:38:00 -
[86]
Regarding testing on things that should be in a museum...
From CCPs own pages, the minimum requirements are:
Originally by: http://support.eveonline.com/pages/kb/article.aspx?id=124
OS: Windows« XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7 CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz RAM: XP (SP2) û 1 GB / Vista û 1.5 GB HD space: 6gig Free Space Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required.
If their testers/developers are not running at least some tests on this environment, then they should be fired, or given a good kick and told to improve!
And when things change, they should ideally give more than 24 hours notice that the game might not be playable for some people who have already paid their subscription. Or that system requirements are changing. Thankfully, it doesn't affect me, but I can understand the unhappiness of the people that it does affect.
The bit that I find more incredulous is the bit that says (paraphrased): "We got some client crashes. The logs said nothing so after 5 minutes we thought that we'd not continue investigating it." If the logs say nothing, then get a crash dump off some-one and then beef up the logs for a couple of builds in the area that caused the crash.
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Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:39:00 -
[87]
1. If improving the standard requirements for running the game client allows development to move forward, then the arguments for stagnation will be lost with the passage of time.
2. If you currently are finding it increasingly difficult to keep up with the bell curve, then you should consider some minor adjustments in order to find satisfaction.
You gotta find the humor in "BuddyCheapGuy" playing EvE and just getting by, and simultaneously just getting by in real life while complaining: "I'm all for progress, but enough is enough!" Playing games is a luxury, but a lot of us use this sandbox as a means of feeling like some badass tycoon warrior, while real life issues are neglected and we plummet to the stage where our CPUs are the only tie to reality we acknowledge. --------------------------------------- Completely ignore any whining that is not toilet orientated. |

Harris Dorn
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:47:00 -
[88]
Can I just get a copy of the stripped down thin client? Or maybe you can pass me on a copy of the one the botters use? My PC is fine for a few more years but when CCP ups the ante again or bloats the client I'm going to need something trimmed down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:48:00 -
[89]
Originally by: SkinSin From CCPs own pages, the minimum requirements are: Originally by: http://support.eveonline.com/pages/kb/article.aspx?id=124 CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz
If their testers/developers are not running at least some tests on this environment, then they should be fired, or given a good kick and told to improve!
Note how it doesn't say which Pentium and AMD processors are being supportedà 
Are you suggesting that they should overclock an Am2901 by a couple of thousand percent just to make sure? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr There are two things about this no one cares to mention.
First there is the fact that some players use older machines to run their 2nd/3rd/4th account, and CCP has absolutely no idea how many that is.
I mention this because not knowing could ultimately cost them subscriptions they were not aware were in danger. Personally I suspect 4+ year old machines are quite uncommon as they would have been forced out when the graphics engine was revamped.
CCP monitors the hardware the players use, although I'm not sure how exactly, so such machines should be included in that estimated 0.3 % of machines that can't run EVE tomorrow. I'm currently forced to using one of those ancient PoSs that won't work after the summer expansion, but even that PC isn't old enough to suffer from this change, so I'm inclined to believe those numbers.
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the way this was discovered and subsequently communicated to the customers is worrying. No one at CCP noticed how their module dependencies introduced incompatibilities. This time it was "just 0,3 percent of customer hardware" but next time it could be more than that.
Simple updates can impact performance. Worryingly, they almost make it through testing without getting noticed and documented. In this case, the error seems to have been identified by a volunteer.
Maybe someone needs to start reading up on documentation for those "modules" the EVE codebase makes use of. If not, CCP runs the risk of suddenly "not supporting this and that due to a change in something we had no idea about."
Reading the devblog I got the same damagecontrol-feeling as I got when I ran in to a friend. He had vomit down his chin and shirt. I asked him if he was "okay because you have vomit on your face?" to which he replied, "that is not vomit and I am fine. Not intoxicated or sick at all."
It was communicated to us as soon as it was confirmed. They acted exactly like they should after it became a confirmed issue. We can wish it would have been detected earlier, but it wasn't and you have to deal with what actually happened, so there is little point entertaining that idea.
The not noticing part is also understandable, since you can't keep testing your changes against all ancient PCs and their hardware. As they said, they didn't have any machines that old, so they couldn't even test their theory about it on their own. The users have simply abandoned such hardware long ago, so it's easy to see how it could have slipped past CCP's notice too.
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2011.01.17 13:59:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Tippia Note how it doesn't say which Pentium and AMD processors are being supportedà 
Are you suggesting that they should overclock an Am2901 by a couple of thousand percent just to make sure?
Yeah, I noticed that they didn't specify which one, but left it vague. It would be awesome if they could overclock an Am2901 to that speed. 
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Ejit
Amarr STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:01:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Harris Dorn Can I just get a copy of the stripped down thin client? Or maybe you can pass me on a copy of the one the botters use? My PC is fine for a few more years but when CCP ups the ante again or bloats the client I'm going to need something trimmed down.
Have you considered overclocking and cooling with liquid nitrogen
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Jno Aubrey
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:05:00 -
[93]
Looks like my 6-year-old laptop dodged the bullet. *Whew*
People with incompatible computers need to set a Loooooooooooooong skill to train before the upgrade!  ________________________________________ Always choose the lesser of two weevils! |

Neamus
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:18:00 -
[94]
Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around ú50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for ú45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.
If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:25:00 -
[95]
Most AMD Semprons (socket A) built in 2004 (up to and including the Barton core) do not support SSE2 ... :-(
There is a possibility that EVE will still run using an SSE emulator for the Transmeta Crusoe, unless CCP ruins it by checking the CPU version. Also, AMD's SSEPlus library might be used to add SSE support to clients when the CPU's don't support it (are ~1000 users worth some testing CCP?).
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:33:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Neamus Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around ú50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for ú45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.
If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.
Buy me one then. Come on, it's only ú50 right? Buy everybody one. It's only ú50 right?
Oh right, different story when it's your ú50 right?
Spending ú50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.
1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.
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mogwai
Gallente Sparks of Insanity
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:44:00 -
[97]
ouch 
there goes eve for me then with my AMD xp2400 
ú50+ for an upgrade, sorry, but just getting back into work after 6 months unemployed in rl, i'd rather keep food on the table for my 2yr old daughter...
back to playing CoD2 and DoW collection methinks 
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Xenuchrist
STK Scientific IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:12:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Xenuchrist on 17/01/2011 15:12:27
Originally by: mogwai ouch 
there goes eve for me then with my AMD xp2400 
ú50+ for an upgrade, sorry, but just getting back into work after 6 months unemployed in rl, i'd rather keep food on the table for my 2yr old daughter...
back to playing CoD2 and DoW collection methinks 
Surely, a p4+mobo would be closer to ú5 on ebay. Or you could do some dumpster-diving behind your local electronics store or recycling point.
-- "In human stupidity, when it is not malicious, there is something very touching, even beautiful... There always is." /Tolstoy |

Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:33:00 -
[99]
Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.
FYI, I am currently unemployed and signed off for medical reasons. I am in receipt of state benefits until I can finally go back to work and even I can afford to upgrade things. I just make some sacrifices here and there, go without fancy food for a few weeks and live on basics, and it might take me a few months but I get there in the end.
Quit your whining, go to a charity store, garage sale or bootfair. You can get a pc capable of playing eve for around ú25 in the uk if you go on gumtree, or in the friday ad. And I'm damn sure there are places and publications just like them all over the world. Stop expecting progress to be halted because you are tight fisted.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:46:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.
FYI, I am currently unemployed and signed off for medical reasons. I am in receipt of state benefits until I can finally go back to work and even I can afford to upgrade things. I just make some sacrifices here and there, go without fancy food for a few weeks and live on basics, and it might take me a few months but I get there in the end.
Quit your whining, go to a charity store, garage sale or bootfair. You can get a pc capable of playing eve for around ú25 in the uk if you go on gumtree, or in the friday ad. And I'm damn sure there are places and publications just like them all over the world. Stop expecting progress to be halted because you are tight fisted.
There will always be people who are not happen.
"OH GOD MY GAME IS PROGRESSING, WTF CCP!"
CCP should just roll back to 2003.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:50:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Pohbis on 17/01/2011 15:52:30
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.
Quit running your mouth. You're clueless.
FarCry 2 doesn't play on a PS1 for a reason.
EVE plays perfectly well on old Athlon XPs and other CPUs without SSE2. The hardware is more than capable of running EVE.
If they want to drop support for older hardware, that's fine. They've done so before for GFX cards, with advance notice, but this is a ****up.
They use 3rd party software and don't keep up on those builds? That instills a lot of confidence in their QA... even worse, giving paying customers 2 days notice is really really poor customer service.
Seeing as they weren't aware that their 3rd party started using SSE2, I doubt they've used it for any features in the expansion.
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ILikeMarkets
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:59:00 -
[102]
Wait... my Tandy won't run this anymore? You already phased out by lunchboxes... what else do you want from me?!?!
RAGE!!!!
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:59:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 17/01/2011 15:52:30 ...but this is a ****up.
They use 3rd party software and don't keep up on those builds? That instills a lot of confidence in their QA... even worse, giving paying customers 2 days notice is really really poor customer service. ...
CCP has neither been known for great customer service nor their quality assurance capabilities. Why should we expect them to be of decent caliber now?
CCP showed improvement with the delay in releasing the full incursion code base back in late 2010. Clearly CCP needs to continue work on their project management and QA methods in 2011.
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Spacemiezi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:05:00 -
[104]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sse2
CPUs supporting SSE2
* AMD K8-based CPUs (Athlon 64, Sempron 64, Turion 64, etc) * AMD Phenom CPUs * Intel NetBurst-based CPUs (Pentium 4, Xeon, Celeron, Celeron D, etc) * Intel Pentium M and Celeron M * Intel Core family (including Intel Core 2, Intel Core i5, Intel Core i7) * Intel Atom * Transmeta Efficeon * VIA C7 * VIA Nano --------------------
Notable IA-32 CPUs not supporting SSE2
* AMD CPUs prior to Athlon 64, including all Socket A-based CPUs * Intel CPUs prior to Pentium 4 * VIA C3 * Transmeta Crusoe
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:09:00 -
[105]
Nvidia was under siege for months, because of the lack of support for SSE/SSE2 in their APEX/PhysX libraries. They've enforced SSE2 support in the recent builds and the latest PhysX 2.8.4.x has shown 3x / 4x performance increase on CPU (not only because of SSE2, but anyway). It's up to NVidia to decide whether they would like to support legacy code-paths (non SSE2) in their state-of-the-art APEX/PhysX framework or not.
It's not up to CCP, unless CCP decides to scrap the idea of the New Character Creator & Incarna...
Look at the issue from the following perspective:
1) Much more than 0.3% of the players invested in DX10/DX11 ATI/AMD videocards. ATI/AMD GPUs are not utilized by PhysX and ATI/AMD does not have PhysX alternative (for the time being). I cannot blame CCP for NOT waiting ALL vendors to come up with universal solution. They chosed PhysX, because it's the only end-to-end Cloth & Hair framework ready for production. At least, with the latest PhysX libraries the CPU performance is much better, so not having NVidia GPGPU is not a big problem for the players who invested in ATI/AMD GPUs.
2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
If you can't afford having A SECOND HAND PC for 40-80 USD, just GO FIND A RL JOB TO PLAY EVE.
Ebay Second Hand Pentium 4 PCs - UP TO 100 USD (most are up to 80 USD)
Originally by: Pohbis
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Holy crap, you people are actually complaining because your out of date pc can't play a modern game? Really? Does that mean I should go and ***** to Sony that my Playstation One can't play Far Cry 2? Because that is pretty much what your whining amounts to.
Quit running your mouth. You're clueless.
FarCry 2 doesn't play on a PS1 for a reason.
EVE plays perfectly well on old Athlon XPs and other CPUs without SSE2. The hardware is more than capable of running EVE.
If they want to drop support for older hardware, that's fine. They've done so before for GFX cards, with advance notice, but this is a ****up.
They use 3rd party software and don't keep up on those builds? That instills a lot of confidence in their QA... even worse, giving paying customers 2 days notice is really really poor customer service.
___________________________________ BECKS
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:16:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Pohbis EVE plays perfectly well on old Athlon XPs and other CPUs without SSE2. The hardware is more than capable of running EVE.
It does today. Tomorrow it doesn't. Adapt or contract me your stuff, today please.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Hawk TT 2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
I think some students who run off the uni broadband connection might argue a bit with you there. Though to be fair they should be studying and not pew pewing in their free time. 
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Skram
Armored Elite
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:22:00 -
[108]
I'm a bit confused what all these people who have barely enough money to eat and can't afford <$100 for a computer to run Eve are doing spending money on Eve in the first place...
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:28:00 -
[109]
I guess you mean those students that spend every cent/penny/kopeyka etc. for booze, games and XXX subscriptions? 
OK, you can't have everything in life, that's part of the learing process...
P.S. I am pretty agressive when it comes to such trolls - I live in Bulgaria, where the AVERAGE SALARY IS 220 USD PER MONTH. Still, I know many (addicted) kids / players, who don't mind to get some extra work / errant job for a few weekends in order to earn 100-200USD for a "new" second hand rig...What to say about people who live in richer countries? C'mon...
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Hawk TT 2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
I think some students who run off the uni broadband connection might argue a bit with you there. Though to be fair they should be studying and not pew pewing in their free time. 
___________________________________ BECKS
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:31:00 -
[110]
For laughs, I looked up some things on Ebay... Pentium 4: $9.99 Pentium 3: Almost nonexistant, one was $40
So, Pentium 3s are becoming like very old cars, now :D Really, Pentium 3 is just too old. You find them on the sides of roads during hard rubbish collection days.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:31:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Hawk TT P.S. I am pretty agressive when it comes to such trolls - I live in Bulgaria, where the AVERAGE SALARY IS 220 USD PER MONTH. Still, I know many (addicted) kids / players, who don't mind to get some extra work / errant job for a few weekends in order to earn 100-200USD for a "new" second hand rig...What to say about people who live in richer countries? C'mon...
This is exactly why they troll.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:45:00 -
[112]
AMD Athlon II X2 240 CPU - 57$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688
BIOSTAR A770E3 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - 60$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138179
G.SKILL NS 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 - 21$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231395
= 138 $
This will run eve nicely, probably until the end of times. If you can't buy a 138$ computer to support your gaming luxury, you shouldn't be playing right now.
Yes, two days warning is not nice, but it's not like they can test on every single old computer.
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Jita mcheck
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:49:00 -
[113]
Doh! This affects my second PC that runs my alt. Not a big deal since it also had issue's with the shader 2.0 upgrade comming.
I liked how the shader had a test I could run to know if I was good or not. be nice if this also had a test to put peoples minds at rest.
In other news....I have a reason to upgrade!(was going to anyway) Really this tech is old old....if your pc is less than 5 years old you should be fine.
Pentium 3's came out in 1999.....and stoped production in 2003.... that is old.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:00:00 -
[114]
Originally by: mogwai ú50+ for an upgrade, sorry, but just getting back into work after 6 months unemployed in rl, i'd rather keep food on the table for my 2yr old daughter...
you might want to know that feeding a person less extends their lifespan. feeding your eve addiction would thus be an act of kindness and generousity toward your child 
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:01:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Hawk TT I guess you mean those students that spend every cent/penny/kopeyka etc. for booze, games and XXX subscriptions? 
OK, you can't have everything in life, that's part of the learing process...
P.S. I am pretty agressive when it comes to such trolls - I live in Bulgaria, where the AVERAGE SALARY IS 220 USD PER MONTH. Still, I know many (addicted) kids / players, who don't mind to get some extra work / errant job for a few weekends in order to earn 100-200USD for a "new" second hand rig...What to say about people who live in richer countries? C'mon...
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Hawk TT 2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
I think some students who run off the uni broadband connection might argue a bit with you there. Though to be fair they should be studying and not pew pewing in their free time. 
lol why the **** are you spending a seventh of your income on a video game.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:03:00 -
[116]
if you cant afford X Y or Z, you simply cant afford it and thats that, you could use HP and loans and screw over your kids, but you dont wanna do that.
you dont need to play eve, you want to and a want is a luxury.
if a fancy new computer is required to play eve and you cant afford that, find a new game, you cant afford it.
I want a gold plated yatch filled with hookers and beer but i dont need it, but you can bet your ass that if i did have enough money to do that kinda stuff a ruddy well would!
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:05:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 17/01/2011 17:07:25
Originally by: Hawk TT 2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
If you can't afford having A SECOND HAND PC for 40-80 USD, just GO FIND A RL JOB TO PLAY EVE.
Judging other people's lives based on how comfortable your own turned out is just plain ignorant. It's not about whether a person has 40-80USD or not. It's about whether they have 40-80USD to spend on a hardware upgrade.
It's about whether they can get that money, and find a machine it will now run on. Most people will have no idea if the hard earned money they are about to spend will even get around the problem they have had forced onto them.
And they've got 2 days to find an answer. And on top of it, they've got you chastising them for not having been born with a silver quad core processor in their mouths.
I'm not even talking for myself. I'm talking for all the people I know exist out there, who right now feel exactly the same way I do when my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, or when there is water cascading out of my kitchen ceiling and I'm getting charged ú200 to have a 50 pence piece of pipe replaced.
I'm fortunate that you weren't there on either of those days. But you should look forward to the day when you are and I'm not.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:11:00 -
[118]
BTW They said this is temporary. If you want to keep your old hardware, just set a 20 days skill and go do something else =)
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:12:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Spurty on 17/01/2011 17:13:56 moral of the story is "if your gaming rig isn't bleeding edge, no one except you is at fault".
gaming is what has driven GPU architecture since year dot. technology like opengl and direct x also to some degree even though recent development has attempted to have the cart driving the horse and had patchy success.
tl;dr "no you"(upgrade your rig ffs )
even if its temporary.
progress should not be hampered by those that wont
Hoppit!
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:15:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around ú50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for ú45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.
If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.
Buy me one then. Come on, it's only ú50 right? Buy everybody one. It's only ú50 right?
Oh right, different story when it's your ú50 right?
Spending ú50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.
1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.
I'm not trying to belittle anyone, or how much value a given some of money has for them. I'm merely pointing out that if you can stretch to it then its possible to source a P4 based machine for around ú50. You're attributing hidden meaning where there is none.
Its also not really fair to blame lazy programming either. Technology has a life cycle just like everything else, its not unreasonable for a developer to say that they've decided not to continue supporting 7 year old hardware.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Royal Guardsmen
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:26:00 -
[121]
My Backup PC, that used to run EVE perfectly well a year ago, is only sporting an Athlon 3000+ (not capable of SSE2). Its not impossible to see how some people are still using them as main PC's 
What I think is more amusing than anything is how often people upgrade their CPUs for such small benefit, causing this laughable 'decades ago' rhetoric. I tend to change CPU/Mobo when a CPU is totally outclassed by what is new in the market, not just a mere 200Mhz speedbump or an extra core. Otherwise its just a waste of money.
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:28:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:32:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Y Berion So, no more EVE on my ZX Spectrum 48K? Booooo
Excellent you remember those things too? I wish I was 20 years younger and 80 pounds lighter....
But I did just build a new rig 2 weeks ago I7-950, Crossfire, etc. Life is good...
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:32:00 -
[124]
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
Nonononono. Blue with a red stripe!
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Triple Entendre
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:34:00 -
[125]
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
OI YA GIT. DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA! DAT'S JUST 'OW IT IS, 'CUZ GORK SAYS SO!
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:36:00 -
[126]
Ahaaa, then if such people DON'T WANT TO SPEND BUCKS ON "NEW" SECOND HAND HW, THEY DON'T WANT (AND NEED) TO PLAY!!!!
Playing computer games IS NOT NECESSITY, IT IS ENTERTAINMENT! If you have time for ENTERTAINMENT, YOU COULD SACRIFICE SOME ENTERTAINMENT TIME AND WORK A BIT FOR A CHANGE!
P.S. Would you mind to share with us your home country of living? Because my "comfort" is achieved by WORKING HARD!!! And I guess you DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW YOU COULD EARN 100 USD IN A COUNTRY, WHERE 100 USD IS THE MONTHLY SALARY MANY PEOPLE GET!!!
Let me share some of my personal experience with "comfort":
1) When I was 10-12 y/o I used to collect used bottles and cans from around my neighborhood in order to return them for cash (If you know what I mean). That's how I was able to save some money for toys / books / bycicles etc.
2) When I was 12-14 y/o I used to get up @ 4:00 AM in order to go and resell newspapers & magazines in the trains departing from the Cetnral Railway Station. That's how I was able to buy decent looking second-hand "western" clothes (e.g. LUXURY stuff like 10 USD jeans, 2 USD color t-shirts), so I don't look like **** @ the high-school.
3) When I was 16-18 y/o I used to work every evnening helping people with their PCs, also doing some programming. That's how I was able to buy booze and go out with girls during the weekends.
If you "normalize" 100 USD through the "GDP per Capita" statistics, you get the following:
Spending 100 USD for a Bulgarian is = Spending 391 USD for an American
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 17/01/2011 17:07:25
Originally by: Hawk TT 2) People who expect to play a MMORPG on an OBSOLETE PLATFORM and CLAIM THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO BUY A NEW ONE are just plain TROLLS. While one could say that playing EVE for ISK (through PLEX) is the only viable option for many players, at least having Internet connection is as expensive as the EVE subscription and could not be paid for in ISK.
If you can't afford having A SECOND HAND PC for 40-80 USD, just GO FIND A RL JOB TO PLAY EVE.
Judging other people's lives based on how comfortable your own turned out is just plain ignorant. It's not about whether a person has 40-80USD or not. It's about whether they have 40-80USD to spend on a hardware upgrade.
It's about whether they can get that money, and find a machine it will now run on. Most people will have no idea if the hard earned money they are about to spend will even get around the problem they have had forced onto them.
And they've got 2 days to find an answer. And on top of it, they've got you chastising them for not having been born with a silver quad core processor in their mouths.
I'm not even talking for myself. I'm talking for all the people I know exist out there, who right now feel exactly the same way I do when my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, or when there is water cascading out of my kitchen ceiling and I'm getting charged ú200 to have a 50 pence piece of pipe replaced.
I'm fortunate that you weren't there on either of those days. But you should look forward to the day when you are and I'm not.
___________________________________ BECKS
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:44:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
OI YA GIT. DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA! DAT'S JUST 'OW IT IS, 'CUZ GORK SAYS SO!
Well if GORK says so, it must be true...
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:46:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna My Backup PC, that used to run EVE perfectly well a year ago, is only sporting an Athlon 3000+ (not capable of SSE2). Its not impossible to see how some people are still using them as main PC's 
What I think is more amusing than anything is how often people upgrade their CPUs for such small benefit, causing this laughable 'decades ago' rhetoric. I tend to change CPU/Mobo when a CPU is totally outclassed by what is new in the market, not just a mere 200Mhz speedbump or an extra core. Otherwise its just a waste of money.
We aren't talking about a mere 200 MHz speedbump here. We are talking about processors which are in the 1GHz range, running on PC133 SDRAM, using an AGP video card, and it actually might be possible that some of these computers actually have ISA slots in them. This REALLY IS technology which is a decade or more ago. It is very possible that these people have cars newer than their computers. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Royal Guardsmen
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:02:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 17/01/2011 18:07:34 Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 17/01/2011 18:03:30
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna My Backup PC, that used to run EVE perfectly well a year ago, is only sporting an Athlon 3000+ (not capable of SSE2). Its not impossible to see how some people are still using them as main PC's 
What I think is more amusing than anything is how often people upgrade their CPUs for such small benefit, causing this laughable 'decades ago' rhetoric. I tend to change CPU/Mobo when a CPU is totally outclassed by what is new in the market, not just a mere 200Mhz speedbump or an extra core. Otherwise its just a waste of money.
We aren't talking about a mere 200 MHz speedbump here. We are talking about processors which are in the 1GHz range, running on PC133 SDRAM, using an AGP video card, and it actually might be possible that some of these computers actually have ISA slots in them. This REALLY IS technology which is a decade or more ago. It is very possible that these people have cars newer than their computers.
Erm nope, hehe... My Athlon 3000+ is not SSE2 compatible, and that is 2.1Ghz. And runs DDR333 or DDR400 ram. Just for the record  The speedbumps I was reffering to was the fact the CPU makers bring out maybe 6[?] processors a year, per range, and for some reason people upgrade their perfectly decent cpu with one that has 100Mhz or 200Mhz more... Who cares if Firefox opens 0.3 seconds quicker, or windows boots to desktop 1 second faster 
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:11:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium It does today. Tomorrow it doesn't. Adapt or contract me your stuff, today please.
I bolded the important part.
I have no problem with the move to SSE2. I do have a problem with a 48 hours notice, for a game were the shortest subscription period is monthly... wait that's not even it.
It's the fact that it took an "epiphany moment" from a player, to figure out that their 3rd party started using an instruction set they didn't previously.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:13:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Shintai on 17/01/2011 18:16:46 Good call by CCP. We cant live in the past forever. And we are talking about CPUs from 2001/2002 supporting SSE2.
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna My Athlon 3000+ is not SSE2 compatible, and that is 2.1Ghz. And runs DDR333 or DDR400 ram. Just for the record 

Your Athlon 3000+ is SSE2 compatible. Some of them even support SSE3. --------------------------------------
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SirSpectre
Gallente Harbingers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:22:00 -
[132]
Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
Nonononono. Blue with a red stripe!
SUCH IGNORANCE!!!! Blue with Red stripe and speed holes! Geez. kids these days. ----
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:40:00 -
[133]
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Y Berion So, no more EVE on my ZX Spectrum 48K? Booooo
Excellent you remember those things too? I wish I was 20 years younger and 80 pounds lighter....
But I did just build a new rig 2 weeks ago I7-950, Crossfire, etc. Life is good...
48k spectrums? you guys were spoilt, mine was a 16k rubber beermat model and it's nearly 30 years since they came out. Still got mine, still works too, sits in the cupboard next to the BBC 'B', the c64 and the amiga 500 --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009 |

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:59:00 -
[134]
Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 17/01/2011 19:03:36
Originally by: Dr Fighter i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?
there's a radeon 4670 or 4650 AGP
Originally by: Titus Phook 48k spectrums? you guys were spoilt, mine was a 16k rubber beermat model and it's nearly 30 years since they came out. Still got mine, still works too, sits in the cupboard next to the BBC 'B', the c64 and the amiga 500
To ruin your day: Spectrum ZX80 had 16k ROM + 48k RAM (6k were the 'video memory' lol) uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Terazul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:03:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna
My AMD Athlon 3000+ is not SSE2 compatible
Well there you go! AMD sucked (at the time). What a surprise.
Originally by: Rosalina Sarinna The speedbumps I was reffering to was the fact the CPU makers bring out maybe 6[?] processors a year, per range, and for some reason people upgrade their perfectly decent cpu with one that has 100Mhz or 200Mhz more... Who cares if Firefox opens 0.3 seconds quicker, or windows boots to desktop 1 second faster 
Such people are hardly the norm. I don't know why you bring them up.
I, personally, upgraded my processor when it showed signs of CPU bottlenecking in my games... went from a Pentium 3 -> P4 Celeron -> Pentium 4 -> C2D -> C2Q (today). Substantial improvements in performance every time (though it was also usually accompanied by a RAM or GPU upgrade). About 2 years between upgrades.
Someone running on 5-year-old hardware really needs to get with the times...
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Akira Kurosaw
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:11:00 -
[136]
phew at least it says nothing about my co-processor...
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Skawl
Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:24:00 -
[137]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 17/01/2011 19:03:36
Originally by: Dr Fighter i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?
there's a radeon 4670 or 4650 AGP
Originally by: Titus Phook 48k spectrums? you guys were spoilt, mine was a 16k rubber beermat model and it's nearly 30 years since they came out. Still got mine, still works too, sits in the cupboard next to the BBC 'B', the c64 and the amiga 500
To ruin your day: Spectrum ZX80 had 16k ROM + 48k RAM (6k were the 'video memory' lol)
It's amazing what they managed to do with the resources really. I remember playing Elite on my 48k rubber key speccy!
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:26:00 -
[138]
Enslaverof Minmatar, just to unruin my day and ruin yours, 16k was the base spec spectrum, 48k was the posh version, I've had both and upgraded the 16k to 48k with a RAM kit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K
There was also no spectrum zx80, the first sinclair was the zx81, z80 is the chipset, which it shared with the Research Machine Z80 --------------------------------------------- Proudly posting with my Alt since 2009 |

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:40:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Titus Phook Enslaverof Minmatar, just to unruin my day and ruin yours, 16k was the base spec spectrum, 48k was the posh version, I've had both and upgraded the 16k to 48k with a RAM kit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K
There was also no spectrum zx80, the first sinclair was the zx81, z80 is the chipset, which it shared with the Research Machine Z80
To unruin my day I had a floppy drive with a button that dumped all memory to a file which was basically a 'savegame' uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:41:00 -
[140]
I don't think the requirement of having to update hardware for some people is such a big deal its the 48 hr notice.
This problem doesnt effect me at all but if it did I would not be annoyed at having to do the upgrade but I would be ****ed as hell over the really really short notice of having to do so.
I mean the last hardware upgrade that was had to be done for EVE was video card related and even then they gave the community like 1 to 2 months notice it was coming not 1 to 2 days and vid cards are alot easier to replace on a shorter notice then cpu.
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Kallehd
Caldari Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:57:00 -
[141]
I can spare the turbo from my Intel 386DX 33Mhz. Can I help anyone? 
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MaxxOmega
Caldari Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:06:00 -
[142]
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Titus Phook Enslaverof Minmatar, just to unruin my day and ruin yours, 16k was the base spec spectrum, 48k was the posh version, I've had both and upgraded the 16k to 48k with a RAM kit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum#ZX_Spectrum_16K.2F48K
There was also no spectrum zx80, the first sinclair was the zx81, z80 is the chipset, which it shared with the Research Machine Z80
To unruin my day I had a floppy drive with a button that dumped all memory to a file which was basically a 'savegame'
The first computer I had was one of these scary ass TI99 Machines. I had it for 2 days before I fried the EEPROM that boots it up by sitting it on my console (lol) TV. Got my money back cause I was sick of it already...
http://oldcomputers.net/ti994a.html
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researcherforlife
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:10:00 -
[143]
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
everyone knows red goes faster. zog off 
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:12:00 -
[144]
EVE Community Unite!
Buy used Pentium 4/Athlon 64 PC's on Ebay and have them sent to CCP's office in Atlanta or Iceland, whatever!
Then CCP can ship to players with old CPU's for a nominal shipping fee!
You will feel warm and fuzzy knowing the Eve universe has not lost population, and additionally help used PC sellers and UPS/FEDEX through these tough times!
If you do this, CCP will provide you with a picture of the Eve player you helped, complete with a doey-eyed thank you look!
Please be generous, as these players just need someone to love them......
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:23:00 -
[145]
Originally by: K'uata Sayus EVE Community Unite!
Buy used Pentium 4/Athlon 64 PC's on Ebay and have them sent to CCP's office in Atlanta or Iceland, whatever!
Then CCP can ship to players with old CPU's for a nominal shipping fee!
You will feel warm and fuzzy knowing the Eve universe has not lost population, and additionally help used PC sellers and UPS/FEDEX through these tough times!
If you do this, CCP will provide you with a picture of the Eve player you helped, complete with a doey-eyed thank you look!
Please be generous, as these players just need someone to love them......
They could sell them for plex too!
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Stray Bullets
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:27:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: K'uata Sayus EVE Community Unite!
Buy used Pentium 4/Athlon 64 PC's on Ebay and have them sent to CCP's office in Atlanta or Iceland, whatever!
Then CCP can ship to players with old CPU's for a nominal shipping fee!
You will feel warm and fuzzy knowing the Eve universe has not lost population, and additionally help used PC sellers and UPS/FEDEX through these tough times!
If you do this, CCP will provide you with a picture of the Eve player you helped, complete with a doey-eyed thank you look!
Please be generous, as these players just need someone to love them......
They could sell them for plex too!
WTB 3x Plex in Mhz! How much is it going for? 333mhz per plex? 
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:33:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Aunty Nora on 17/01/2011 20:33:42 bad move by CCP this, Not everyone is stupid enough to keep upgrading there hardware year in year out.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.17 20:49:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Aunty Nora Edited by: Aunty Nora on 17/01/2011 20:33:42 bad move by CCP this, Not everyone is stupid enough to keep upgrading there hardware year in year out.
Hopefully everyone aint stupid enough not to upgrade their HW last 7-8 years. --------------------------------------
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NiiKleagh
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:09:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around ú50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for ú45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.
If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.
Buy me one then. Come on, it's only ú50 right? Buy everybody one. It's only ú50 right?
Oh right, different story when it's your ú50 right?
Spending ú50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.
1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.
Yes, 1=1 and 0=0, but the REST of us should not have to pay for the increased time it takes CCP programmers to include every system and platform under the sun.
You do realize that by you not paying money for an upgraded system, and the majority wanting an upgraded game, we all will have to pay money to afford CCP the luxury of programming for every platform. As in your example, sure - one extra platform may not cost a ton, but there are plenty of people out there with crazier, older, or more junky platforms than the one you have... so when do we stop paying extra to support .001% of the computer platofrms that are out there? should we go for .0001%?
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:15:00 -
[150]
HA! Stupid people buying hardware! I still run windows 3.11 just fine!
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Andrea Exerlauka
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:19:00 -
[151]
According to the devblog this is a bug and will be patched shortly. No need to buy new computers, no need for drama.
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Ishtariel Torash
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:26:00 -
[152]
I've no idea what my CPU is or what SSE2 instruction set is.
Might be back after the expansion, might not. 
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Culsotu2
Der Verfluchte Engel
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:35:00 -
[153]
me flyes to customs offices to empty all my planets for stuff me set longest skill to train me made my bed in shuttle docked in station me takes a look at my 7 year old pc me says goodnight
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Sfynx
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:39:00 -
[154]
We're talking about CPUs that were already discontinued before the initial release of EVE Online. They're that old. We should give CCP props for supporting them for so long, and personally I wouldn't put any effort in to support them again.
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Trellish
The Perfect Storm Random-Violence
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:41:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Trellish on 17/01/2011 21:43:48 You guys realize that it's viable to play 3 clients at low quality simultaneously on an XP 2400 processor? or... it was.
As for how many other MMO's play on this hardware, obviously I can't speak to all of them, but I've played a number on this system... including (gasp!) WOW. The horror.
The Fail by CCP was not that they aren't supporting 9 year old hardware... but that they are changing their system requirements without making much effort to notify people.
Originally by: Dr Fighter i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?
Nope... minimum shader specs are fine with processors that old. Believe it or not, but that machine has no AGP... just a PCI slot. They did make PCI video cards that still supported the minimum shader specs. The PCI Sapphire HD 3850 for example.
Seriously.... the way they had it, the first I heard of the issue was going to be that I couldn't log in. Making changes that alter the system requirements of the game is important enough that it needs to be included on the splash screen as a heads up.
Ya know... buying or building a new comp takes some time. CCP telling us about important changes with enough leway that I could get the parts shipped out BEFORE the upgrade sure would have been nice.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:59:00 -
[156]
90% of the 0.3% will be bots
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Goatse Girl
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:13:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Goatse Girl on 17/01/2011 22:14:29 This is all I need, been looking for work for past 8 months and now I hear MY computer can't run Eve, which I PAY for! lazy programmers lame excuses,saying it's too old when it isn't the case, I can play CoD just fine! I'm sure this will get a few laughs from you guys but not everyone can afford flashy computers!
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:14:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Euriti 90% of the 0.3% will be bots
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:26:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Spurty moral of the story is "if your gaming rig isn't bleeding edge, no one except you is at fault".
Not even that. The moral of the story is rather "if your gaming rig is 4-5 generations behind, and you still choose not to upgrade, don't be surprised to wake up and find it obsoleted."
We're way beyond "not bleeding edge" here. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |

Br41n
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:31:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Mitchell Hagen
Originally by: Teibor This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.
This!!
It turns out that I am affected by this. My 2005-vintage computer runs EVE fine, with graphics settings turned down to low. I can run two instances of the EVE client without difficulty. Sometimes the frame rate is low but I don't play EVE to make fraps movies.
I only found out about this when the Sisi client started crashing after I updated it last week. Then I looked up the SSE2 message and found this thread.
I think it is wrong for players to be told of such a change only two days or so before a patch when subscriptions are paid for with longer periods. Has CCP indicated exactly why this change is necessary?
I cannot upgrade my computer because I lack the money.
You bought a cheap ass comp in 2005? thats when the athlon 64 came out. and no money? how the **** you pay for internet and eve then? you can get a mobo with a graphics chip, proc, and memory for less than 100$ that will run eve fine and is faster than ur crap. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
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Birdman Ravo
Legion of The Birds
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:37:00 -
[161]
CCP probably didn't notice this because CCP doesn't have any test machines with processors old enough.
Seriously, non-sse2 processors aren't sold or manufactured anymore. CCP can't just newegg a P3 or Athlon to check for compatibility. They'll just have to pray Ebay has the dinosaur crap hardware they need the set up a test rig for the next patch.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:41:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Br41n You bought a cheap ass comp in 2005? thats when the athlon 64 came out.
Athlon64 came out in 2003à ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |

Tiliam
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:32:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Euriti 90% of the 0.3% will be bots
I would bet on a higher amount than 90%. More like 97-98%.
^^ This. It's a secret unholy rage - they'll monitor the reduction in bot activity before deciding whether to patch the client to allow the game to run on old hardware. I just hope when they do patch it they only give people with the old hardware the code which doesn't need SSE2 and the rest of us can enjoy more efficiency in our code execution due to the utilisation of more instruction sets.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:34:00 -
[164]
I've upgraded my motherboard twice since this thread started.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Royal Guardsmen
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Posted - 2011.01.18 00:01:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Rosalina Sarinna on 18/01/2011 00:05:10
Originally by: Sfynx We're talking about CPUs that were already discontinued before the initial release of EVE Online. They're that old. We should give CCP props for supporting them for so long, and personally I wouldn't put any effort in to support them again.
Close, but no cigar. May 2003 was EVE Online release date, and according to wikipedia, the release date for the Athlon XP 2900+ (2GHz) (AXDA2900DKV4E) was December 2004 
Your point is still agreed upon though I don't have a problem with my backup PC (an XP3000+) not being able to run EVE anymore; I upgraded years ago to an XP4200+; just means I would have to fix my PC faster to play EVE again if it had problems.
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Mitchell Hagen
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:53:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Br41n
Originally by: Mitchell Hagen
Originally by: Teibor This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.
This!!
It turns out that I am affected by this. My 2005-vintage computer runs EVE fine, with graphics settings turned down to low. I can run two instances of the EVE client without difficulty. Sometimes the frame rate is low but I don't play EVE to make fraps movies.
I only found out about this when the Sisi client started crashing after I updated it last week. Then I looked up the SSE2 message and found this thread.
I think it is wrong for players to be told of such a change only two days or so before a patch when subscriptions are paid for with longer periods. Has CCP indicated exactly why this change is necessary?
I cannot upgrade my computer because I lack the money.
You bought a cheap ass comp in 2005? thats when the athlon 64 came out. and no money? how the **** you pay for internet and eve then? you can get a mobo with a graphics chip, proc, and memory for less than 100$ that will run eve fine and is faster than ur crap.
Long story short, I lost my job a couple of months ago. How to pay for EVE? I can buy PLEX in-game, you may have heard of them. Computer upgrade? That's not easy to do on two days' notice even at the best of times.
So I've sent out an in-game letter to the corpies to tell them that it may be a while before I'm able to play again, set a skill training that takes 32 days to train, filed a petition and resigned myself to the fact that I may not be able to play again for a while. Sometimes stuff just happens and we must deal with it as best we can.
Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
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Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:56:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Aessoroz on 18/01/2011 04:56:28 So I have a Wolfdale Intel Core 2 cpu and the character creator crashes epically on sisi(full system lockup). Does this mean CCP fails?
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Amy Array
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Posted - 2011.01.18 05:49:00 -
[168]
By my calculations I will be lol'ing my butt of when a ton of people find it's not their processors which will be the problem but their graphics cards and they won't be able to modify their character in aprox. 12 hours while I'm having lunch.
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.18 09:53:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Triple Entendre
Originally by: MaxxOmega
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If you paint your processor red, it will go faster.
Whatta horrible response... You gotta paint it blue to go faster...
OI YA GIT. DA RED ONEZ GO FASTA! DAT'S JUST 'OW IT IS, 'CUZ GORK SAYS SO!
NO MORK SEZ SO!
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.18 10:11:00 -
[170]
Originally by: NiiKleagh
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around ú50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for ú45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.
If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.
Buy me one then. Come on, it's only ú50 right? Buy everybody one. It's only ú50 right?
Oh right, different story when it's your ú50 right?
Spending ú50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.
1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.
Yes, 1=1 and 0=0, but the REST of us should not have to pay for the increased time it takes CCP programmers to include every system and platform under the sun.
You do realize that by you not paying money for an upgraded system, and the majority wanting an upgraded game, we all will have to pay money to afford CCP the luxury of programming for every platform. As in your example, sure - one extra platform may not cost a ton, but there are plenty of people out there with crazier, older, or more junky platforms than the one you have... so when do we stop paying extra to support .001% of the computer platofrms that are out there? should we go for .0001%?
The flying spaceships part of Eve isn't changing. Yesterday, they could play. Today they cannot. Nothing changed. They gained nothing. I gained a full body avatar I never wanted. I'd rather have had another player. I'd rather be on classic client. My mind invents better graphics than any artist will ever draw and any system will ever render.
Somebody somewhere got a new thing to put on his CV. Gratz for him.
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Dani WH
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Posted - 2011.01.18 10:21:00 -
[171]
im on a Pentium 4 and a FX5200 (shader model 2.0)
is my rig able to run the next expansion? I could buy a HD3450 for 40Ç but its like a waste of money if you ask me lol... remember I need an AGP slot card.
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StyphonUK
Caldari Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:16:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: NiiKleagh
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Neamus Its possible to pick up a used Pentium 4 desktop (complete system minus the monitor) at the moment for around ú50, in fact I just saw one go on ebay for ú45. So for those unfortunate enough to be effected by this you've got some cheap options available.
If you ask nice enough you might even be able to get one for free. There are businesses around that throw perfectly good systems in the bin after just a few years, merely in order to comply with their internal hardware refresh policies.
Buy me one then. Come on, it's only ú50 right? Buy everybody one. It's only ú50 right?
Oh right, different story when it's your ú50 right?
Spending ú50 because some lazy edgy kudos programmer is using the latest **** because somebody sold it to him for reasons they don't know is a bad reason.
1 = 1. 0 = 0. That hasn't changed. Computers have not fundamentally changed enough to stop anything from running.
Yes, 1=1 and 0=0, but the REST of us should not have to pay for the increased time it takes CCP programmers to include every system and platform under the sun.
You do realize that by you not paying money for an upgraded system, and the majority wanting an upgraded game, we all will have to pay money to afford CCP the luxury of programming for every platform. As in your example, sure - one extra platform may not cost a ton, but there are plenty of people out there with crazier, older, or more junky platforms than the one you have... so when do we stop paying extra to support .001% of the computer platofrms that are out there? should we go for .0001%?
The flying spaceships part of Eve isn't changing. Yesterday, they could play. Today they cannot. Nothing changed. They gained nothing. I gained a full body avatar I never wanted. I'd rather have had another player. I'd rather be on classic client. My mind invents better graphics than any artist will ever draw and any system will ever render.
Somebody somewhere got a new thing to put on his CV. Gratz for him.
Unfortunately you are firmly in the minority here. 99% would much rather have better graphics than using your imagination. If you want to use your imagination go play a paper and pen RPG (no I'm not dissing them, I play paper and pen RPGs).
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
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Daktera Amaru
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:59:00 -
[173]
I think I'm save, just updated to a 3gb dual core AMD Athalon 64 Bit with 4GB ram and a kick ass new GFX card and a HD Flatscreen... Stop using Prehistoric Dinosaur systems and see how much of a difference it is when you play Eve on full GFX and without any sort of lag spikes.
The fleet battles lag so much because of you people, running windows 3.11... *wink wink*
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Mitchell Hagen
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:04:00 -
[174]
Originally by: StyphonUK For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
CCP did not intend to make these changes to the minimum system specifications. When CCP choose to make changes to the system specs, they usually announce these changes with plenty of advance notice. What has happened this time is that a third-party component had changed to require SSE2 support and by the time CCP discovered this the expansion was too close to launch.
The biggest problem is not that CCP changed the minimum system specifications. It is that there was insufficient notice given of this change. Fortunately, there was enough notice given that those of us who will be affected could enact contingency plans such as queuing a long skill. However, there will also be people who do not read the notices and who will be running the client tomorrow only to find that they cannot.
Yes, as one of those affected, I would rather be able to run the new patch tomorrow and muck around with the character creator and enjoy the other new features. Instead I must sit out for a while until I can get a computer upgrade, or hope that CCP remove the SSE2 requirement in a hotfix (for now, anyway). I accept that system specifications can change with new versions of software. For an example, look at the bloat of DOS and Windows over the years. All that I ask is that more notice be given in future of changes to the minimum system specifications.
Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
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StyphonUK
Caldari Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:18:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Mitchell Hagen
Originally by: StyphonUK For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
CCP did not intend to make these changes to the minimum system specifications. When CCP choose to make changes to the system specs, they usually announce these changes with plenty of advance notice. What has happened this time is that a third-party component had changed to require SSE2 support and by the time CCP discovered this the expansion was too close to launch.
The biggest problem is not that CCP changed the minimum system specifications. It is that there was insufficient notice given of this change. Fortunately, there was enough notice given that those of us who will be affected could enact contingency plans such as queuing a long skill. However, there will also be people who do not read the notices and who will be running the client tomorrow only to find that they cannot.
Yes, as one of those affected, I would rather be able to run the new patch tomorrow and muck around with the character creator and enjoy the other new features. Instead I must sit out for a while until I can get a computer upgrade, or hope that CCP remove the SSE2 requirement in a hotfix (for now, anyway). I accept that system specifications can change with new versions of software. For an example, look at the bloat of DOS and Windows over the years. All that I ask is that more notice be given in future of changes to the minimum system specifications.
But to expect CCP to test legacy hardware is ridiculous. 99.7% of Eve players run hardware that isn't affected. It is unreasonable to expect CCP to test every hardware configuration with modern hardware, let alone legacy equipment. They couldn't have known about this without testing legacy equipment. Therefore to expect more notice on an issue such as this is unreasonable. You're lucky that they noticed this at all before release.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:21:00 -
[176]
As an earlier poster said, the affected "0.3%" (or whatever the actual numbers turn out to be) are likely slaving away in a bot-shop, looking after 10-12 machines each... "let 'em burn" !
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Dani WH
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:31:00 -
[177]
I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all 
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Gark32
White Star Line 2010 DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:36:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Dani WH I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all 
according to moore's law, a six year old machine is in fact pre-jurassic. pre-Cambrian, even. you could get an upgraded CPU from that machine for less than a burger and fries. ________________________________________________ Please resize signature to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator /ProcketsInvTNAsmall.jpg[/IMG] |

Sith LordX
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:37:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Sith LordX on 18/01/2011 12:44:39
Originally by: Trellish Uggghhhh!!!!
Thanks sasuk for the Info.
Way to go CCP for failing to even bother to make a serious attempt to notify us that our computers likely won't run eve shortly.
Did a quick search, and it looks like the 32 bit athlon XP 2400 doesn't support SSE2. For those who were wondering, the CPU ran eve just fine. Obviously med/low quality rather than ultra, but I didn't have a slideshow or anything like that... no major lag except for when jumping gates into a couple hundred man fleet... but everybody had that.
Sheesh CCP... one more fail to add to a very long list.
a)Cry me a river, b)Take your computer to a museum *$5 Antique on ebay*, c)Throw your computer off a bridge *Put it out of its misery its hurting from the stress*, d)Go and buy something that has more processing power then a coke vendor mechine. *Sarcasum*
These processors are discontinued +10 years ago. lol They were made before eve even existed. These things stand up to todays processors like a pebble does bouncing off Mt-Everest.
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Daktera Amaru
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:41:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Gark32
Originally by: Dani WH I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all 
according to moore's law, a six year old machine is in fact pre-jurassic. pre-Cambrian, even. you could get an upgraded CPU from that machine for less than a burger and fries.
I got myself a 3GB Dual Core x64 proc for 27 bucks... so yeah, it's worth upgrading.
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:41:00 -
[181]
Originally by: StyphonUK But to expect CCP to test legacy hardware is ridiculous. 99.7% of Eve players run hardware that isn't affected. It is unreasonable to expect CCP to test every hardware configuration with modern hardware, let alone legacy equipment. They couldn't have known about this without testing legacy equipment. Therefore to expect more notice on an issue such as this is unreasonable. You're lucky that they noticed this at all before release.
Actually, it's not. If they say they support it, they should be testing on it in order to make sure. Unfortunately, the minimum system requirements are vague at best which might serve CCPs needs for not doing the testing, but ends up alienating some people.
Also, the complaint is that a third party piece of the product changed it's requirements to require SSE2 and CCP devs didn't know about this until 2 days before the patch went live. Now either the doco for the third party stuff is crap (which is possible), or CCP devs updated to a newer version without checking that things hadn't changed (which is also possible). In any case, it's the 2 days warning that are riling up some people as they now have active accounts that they won't be able to play until they can update their equipment.
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Emilie Sunstrider
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:42:00 -
[182]
oh come on. if you still using those cpu you dont deserve to be on the internet. seriously, a Semprom CPU plus a 754 motherboard is less than 40US$. if you dont have 40US$ you need to quit EVE and find a job.
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:48:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Gark32
Originally by: Dani WH I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all 
according to moore's law, a six year old machine is in fact pre-jurassic. pre-Cambrian, even. you could get an upgraded CPU from that machine for less than a burger and fries.

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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:22:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Euriti 90% of the 0.3% will be bots
I would bet on a higher amount than 90%. More like 97-98%.
Why? I'd have money on the 'professional' gold farmers throwing a el cheapo quad core with multiple monitors and a cloned vmware player machine. Each running the bot. The hardware is cheap but the power to feed multiple machine might not be... when you look at the long term.
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StyphonUK
Caldari Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:26:00 -
[185]
Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: StyphonUK But to expect CCP to test legacy hardware is ridiculous. 99.7% of Eve players run hardware that isn't affected. It is unreasonable to expect CCP to test every hardware configuration with modern hardware, let alone legacy equipment. They couldn't have known about this without testing legacy equipment. Therefore to expect more notice on an issue such as this is unreasonable. You're lucky that they noticed this at all before release.
Actually, it's not. If they say they support it, they should be testing on it in order to make sure. Unfortunately, the minimum system requirements are vague at best which might serve CCPs needs for not doing the testing, but ends up alienating some people.
Also, the complaint is that a third party piece of the product changed it's requirements to require SSE2 and CCP devs didn't know about this until 2 days before the patch went live. Now either the doco for the third party stuff is crap (which is possible), or CCP devs updated to a newer version without checking that things hadn't changed (which is also possible). In any case, it's the 2 days warning that are riling up some people as they now have active accounts that they won't be able to play until they can update their equipment.
Their minimum requirements are a guide, not what they should be testing to. I agree they are a little vague but I still think it's overly optimistic to expect a games developer to test legacy equipment.
Originally by: Dani WH I wouldn't say a 2004 computer is a jurassic machine...
Should we buy a new rig every year or what?
It's OK that fps rate slows down because of modern graphics. Which is not tolerable is that the game doesn't even open at all 
Gamers in general update once every 3 years at least, quite often every 2 years. Whilst this is not achievable for everyone, at least once every 5 years is not demanding a great deal. If you don't want to update then don't expect everyone else to stick at your level. There are more people who want to see the latest graphics and get the best possible performance than who are happy to stay with 5 year old graphics.
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar To ruin your day: Spectrum ZX80 had 16k ROM + 48k RAM (6k were the 'video memory' lol)
There was no Spectrum ZX80. There was a Sinclair ZX80 (after their programmable calculator), then a Sinclair ZX81 and then a Sinclair Spectrum.
AFAIK, the ZX80 came with 1Kb RAM & 4kb ROM but could have a 16Kb RAM Expansion.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:43:00 -
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Protip: If your computer still has a "Windows ME" sticker on it...its better used as a bird house. Does not apply if you have one with a P4 in it, because YES THEY'RE THAT ****ING OLD. God damn people...upgrayyeeed, I had to upgrade my second PC to continue using eve when they updated to shader model 2...I hit the dump and found the part I needed. Thing still runs it. Quit crying and call a friend who works somewhere with a lot of computers, they'll have something for you.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: StyphonUK Unfortunately you are firmly in the minority here. 99% would much rather have better graphics than using your imagination. If you want to use your imagination go play a paper and pen RPG (no I'm not dissing them, I play paper and pen RPGs).
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
Yesterday they could fly a spaceship, nothing changed in space, today they cannot. Arrogant THAT.
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Agallis Zinthros
Amarr GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:59:00 -
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IMO if some SSE2 optimization is turned on just leave it on. Who cares? Let the game run more efficiently for the 99.7% of us that can run the new client. It's not piracy, its surprise PVP. |

StyphonUK
Caldari Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: StyphonUK Unfortunately you are firmly in the minority here. 99% would much rather have better graphics than using your imagination. If you want to use your imagination go play a paper and pen RPG (no I'm not dissing them, I play paper and pen RPGs).
For people to expect legacy hardware to run a modern day MMO (yes, the game is 8 years old but it has been rewritten and updated a lot since then keeping it "modern") is absurd. I know financial times are hard (I've been out of work for 6 months) but to expect everyone to not go with the latest technology just so you can still play with your 10 year old machine smacks of arrogance.
Yesterday they could fy a spaceship, nothing changed in space, today they cannot. Arrogant THAT.
You have no idea why they have enabled SSE2 instruction set. They could be using it in some of their coding. It's not much to ask to upgrade once every 5 years if you still want to be able to play the latest games.
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Flibertygibbet
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:45:00 -
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....and all Macs. Oh wait but thats THIS week.
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aargolos For those of us who aren't "that" computer literate, how would one go about figuring out if their computer can run EvE after the Incursion patch?
(I'm fairly ******ed in this department, but my lappy is "only" 3 years old...)
Search for a program named cpu-z, that shows your cpu and what it's capable of ! You're probably fine with that laptop though.
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Agallis Zinthros
Amarr GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Morphisat
Originally by: Aargolos For those of us who aren't "that" computer literate, how would one go about figuring out if their computer can run EvE after the Incursion patch?
(I'm fairly ******ed in this department, but my lappy is "only" 3 years old...)
Search for a program named cpu-z, that shows your cpu and what it's capable of ! You're probably fine with that laptop though.
If it's three years old he's fine. SSE 1 only CPUs haven't been manufactured for quite a bit longer than that. It's not piracy, its surprise PVP. |

Crystal Sevar
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:30:00 -
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A good example of disproportional responses this thread is. 0.3% can't play and yet it seems like everyone and their mother cares somehow. Pretty sure my cellphone has more Mhz than a CPU made 10 years ago... :|
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Karinski
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:10:00 -
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OPEN RESPONSE TO EVE PLAYERS ON THIS THREAD:
1) Make no mistake, I would LOVE to upgrade my computer but the kids and the bills say otherwise.
2) The issue is NOT that my very old processor won't run EVE...it's that my old processor ran EVE perfectly until Incursions. It was visually beautiful with no lag.
3) I had just reactivated my account after a 3-week absence.
4) I understand that the EVE community is a notoriously hearty, tough and un-sympathetic lot...but do you REALLY lack the ability to sympathize with other people who simply want to keep playing EVE? How sad.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.01.22 01:30:00 -
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7 pages of customers CCP didn't want anyway.
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Nite Piper
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Posted - 2011.01.22 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Karinski OPEN RESPONSE TO EVE PLAYERS ON THIS THREAD:
1) Make no mistake, I would LOVE to upgrade my computer but the kids and the bills say otherwise.
2) The issue is NOT that my very old processor won't run EVE...it's that my old processor ran EVE perfectly until Incursions. It was visually beautiful with no lag.
3) I had just reactivated my account after a 3-week absence.
4) I understand that the EVE community is a notoriously hearty, tough and un-sympathetic lot...but do you REALLY lack the ability to sympathize with other people who simply want to keep playing EVE? How sad.
I hear your pain. And yes, finances may be tight for many of us. Still, there might just be the off chance that you're caught up in the common perception that a gaming PC costs +$1000. So I'm suggesting you this: Athlon II X3 434 = $71 (This CPU will run everything in comfort without breaking any sweat, including any existing or planned game - combined with a decent videocard) Or you can cut a few $ more: Athlon II X2 250 = $58 (While it's hardly a highperforming CPU, it's still way overkill for EVE, and will blow your mind compared to what you have today). Both these CPUs use AM3 socket. You can get an ATX board with AMD 770 chipset for this for $60, like the ASRock M3A770DE. Or get by with an AMD 760G uATX board for $45, like Biostar A780L3L. 4GB ddr3 RAM, 2 X 2GB 240-pin PC10666 (1333MT/s) will set you back a further $40. Videocard for this could be either a Radeon 5750 for $110-120 , which requires an extra PCIe power cable from your PSU, or the Radeon 5670 for $80, which doesn't. You should also be able to get by with a 300-350W PSU for all this. Like an Antec basiq, $30. (doesn't have the PCIe cable for R5750) or a Sparkle or FSP 400W which does, for $45. (these PSUs have only one SATA cable, but frankly, that's all you should need)
So without case and OS, we're at $281 for the öhigh performance systemö (and frankly, it's so good enough, there's really no normal, significant difference in user experience from a $2000 system). Or $223 for the budget gaming PC option. Add another $100 for Win7 home 64 OEM. I assume you have a usable case, if not, one should still be possible to scavenge some old from somewhere.
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