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Sanai Nobuseri
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:24:00 -
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I am relatively new to the game, and I wanted to Mine, Build ships, stations etc for other people and every where I turn theres people saying miners are scum, there hated, theres organised alliances that hunt and just kill miners, and even a yearly competiton someone told me about called hulkageddon where you kill as many miners as you can for prizez. What I would like to know is why? Doesnt the game need people to mine in order to provide the materials for the entire community?
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hakkar''al Gallente on 17/01/2011 09:32:56 Because this is EVE. Haters must hate here.
Or, on a more serious note. Because mining is the most "carebear" (non-violent) occupation people do in game, and suicide ganking (killing ships before getting blown up by Concord) is the most violent? I don't think people "hate" miners, they just think it's a silly waste of time. And because miners sitting in empire doing their peaceful business are among the most unwilling to do PvP, people like to mess with them just for sh**s and giggles. And because their victims usually go "What did I do...Leave me alone ... "
My main character is a null sec miner/manufacturer having Hulk/Orca/Rorqual skills, and still find it pretty amusing that Hulkageddon still causes such a outcry among others.
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Terion Fierceglade
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Posted - 2011.01.17 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: Terion Fierceglade on 17/01/2011 09:41:59
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Because mining is the most "carebear" (non-violent) occupation people do in game,
That argument is getting SO tiresome by now. What is to say that miners don't do PVP as well?
There are as many playstyles of mining as there are miners and, frankly, the ones who consider themselves "violent anti-carebears" are the ones who don't know what to do with themselves in the game.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:19:00 -
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I don't know if they're hated or just derided. The act of mining doesn't make the miner less of a target than anyone else, and mining ships are soft and drop valuable loot, so they will get hunted.
It's a PVP game, people should expect to be shot down. However, a lot of the players choosing a "peaceful" activity don't expect to lose their ship, and then they start crying like babies when they eventually do. It's PVP, and it's a game - all you're losing is some pixels on a screen, so we'd rather you take it as a learning experience, buy a new ship, and do it differently next time.
As far as minerals being needed, yes they are, but there are a million newbies choosing to mine, and other sources of minerals besides mining, so no, the game isn't going to be ruined if you choose to do something else.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:32:00 -
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It's not really hate, people just want to bring some excitement to your lives :) It makes the game more fun by adding risk. Everything in EVE has some risk attached (or should have). That aside many miners are suspected of being botters and those ARE hated. Events like this give you more choices to make : - Will I tank my Hulk and mine in 1.0 for optimal safety but meager returns ? - Will I go all out mining but risk getting easily ganked ? - Will I lay a trap and hunt the gankers ? - Will I AFK mine or pay attention ? And it IS good for you because if you don't get killed you have a good chance of getting more isk for your ore. A lot of the Gankers are probably the same people that produce mining ships ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Archbeholder on 17/01/2011 12:35:08 Its not hate, nor is it "bringing excitement" or other bull****.
Its a simple natural instinct, people tend to abuse and beat up those who cant fight back.
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Sanai Nobuseri
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:50:00 -
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So its not really hate, its just due to boredom and entertainments sake eh? This is certainly one of the most interesting games Ive ever come across >_<
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:58:00 -
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miners are essentially the bums of eve, I mean they just sit there doing nothing all day. and hey if one dies so what, there are hundreds more. plus many of them appear to be botters, I know they aren't all bots, but some I've seen doing some stupid ****.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.01.17 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Archbeholder Its a simple natural instinct, people tend to abuse and beat up those who cant don't fight back.
Fixed ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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Rhea Raw
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Rhea Raw on 17/01/2011 14:05:36 Hulk fun
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:24:00 -
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If you want to mine, do it. If you want to produce something with your minerals, do it.
It¦s a sandbox and you can do in it whatever you want.
Just, don¦t take out a mining barge (retriever) while Hulkageddon, which starts at Feb. 1st, if my mind serves me well. A retriever is a paper thin vessel, which WILL fall to even a half arsed ganking attempt.
If you feel to take out your Hulk while Hulkageddon, you might want to shield tank it, and you can get a 20k EHP on it, which will need more than one battleship to blow it up.
Be aware when mining in 0.5 sec space, a gank tempest might be able to set off a second volley, while when mining in 0.8 or 0.9 you can see above tempest to be WTFBBQ by concord, enjoy the show.
When more than 2 battleships show up, you are toast anyway.
So, come on Hulkageddoners, get as many macroes as you can, make it Unholy Rage III. And make Hulk prices go up to more than 200m, i have some stock. Not to mention that i have some stock of catalysts as well.
OP: Welcome to eve, have fun.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Centri Sixx on 17/01/2011 14:32:15 Because at heart, your average EVE PvPer is a carebear among carebears, and needs to hide it by ragging on others.
Edit: I'll expand. Who in god's name boasts about blowing up mining vessels, when they have less survivability than basic combat ships? Not only this, they game mechanics to prevent the mining vessels from having an escort, or even firing to scare people off. In other PvP games that'd be the sign of a scrub, in here we get rhapsodies about harvesting tears.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton miners are essentially the bums of eve, I mean they just sit there doing nothing all day. and hey if one dies so what, there are hundreds more. plus many of them appear to be botters, I know they aren't all bots, but some I've seen doing some stupid ****.
Well do agree mining requires some specific state of mind .. I can't understand people don't get bored senseless from doing it more than a month or so. Staring at mining lasers for 15 minutes, rinse and repeat .. no challenge, no excitement .. people who really do that for years are really beyond my comprehension!
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.17 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Terion Fierceglade
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Because mining is the most "carebear" (non-violent) occupation people do in game,
That argument is getting SO tiresome by now. What is to say that miners don't do PVP as well?
... or have PvP on their other accounts
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hakkar''al Gallente on 17/01/2011 16:26:08
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Terion Fierceglade
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente Because mining is the most "carebear" (non-violent) occupation people do in game,
That argument is getting SO tiresome by now. What is to say that miners don't do PVP as well?
... or have PvP on their other accounts
Nothing of course... my other account was a low sec pvp-er, now in null killing ****.
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Kahega Amielden
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:22:00 -
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Primarily because mining is a form of carebearism that is easy to disrupt. Missionrunners are generally even bigger carebears (and I define carebear as someone who is afraid of risk), but ganking them involves either hoping they wander into lowsec, wardeccing them and hoping they don't sit in station, or hoping they don't understand aggro rules when ninjalooting. You can technically suicide gank them, but it's significantly harder and not worth it ISK-wise unless the person is using a mega-pimped officer-fit missionboat.
Miners, on the other hand, are easy. A single ship can suicide gank a hulk (as very few hisec miners actually tank them), and it's a reasonably expensive loss. The convenience factor is what makes the difference, here. No one really hates miners...they just enjoy blowing stuff up, and hulkageddon provides a reasonably entertaining, easy way to go about that.
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Jaak 242
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:15:00 -
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Ya know, I used to respond to posts like this.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.01.19 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Disastro on 19/01/2011 00:54:11 When my corp used to live in High sec we did three war decs a week basically griefing anyone living somewhere in the vicinity of Perimeter basically to give us a wide number of targets to shoot at. I almost always selected one or more mining corps. Why? Because they are easy targets.
Unlike mission runners and traders they pretty much have to do their money making in a belt exposed to the world and totally vulnerable. It is easy to find them. It is easy to put an out of corp alt in the same belt as a warp in. And miners tend to play the game semi-afk watching TV or otherwise similarly distracted.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.01.19 00:57:00 -
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Mission runners, however, are much harder targets. Getting them in a mission requires scanning them down. Since they are actively at the keyboard playing they tend to be watching local more than the average miner. It is possible, of course, to catch them on gates but this requires patience and your average griefer doesnt have that much.
Can flipping and suicide ganking miners is easy as well and it is often quite easy to get a miner to expose his mining ship by stealing his ore can and then leaving the ore in space. The miner returns, takes it and resumes mining only to find a can flipper killing his mining ship or hauler soon after.
I think that is not hate but oportunity that causes miners so much grief in this game. Folks find them easier to kill so they do so.
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Joe McAlt
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Posted - 2011.01.19 04:44:00 -
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Same reason stronger, bigger kids beat up on smaller, more timid kids in school. Because they can and it makes them feel good. They couch it in all kinds of ways and justify in the same manner but in the end it is just a way of feeling tough when they get bored or need to take their anger out on some else because the one they are ****ed at scares them to much.
They are right about one thing though. It is a game and you have decided to play in the sandbox. When someone kicks the sand in your face you kick back or just say nice shot. Crying about it just makes you look weak
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Michelle Devereux
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Michelle Devereux on 19/01/2011 14:19:16 Because mining is the one profession that allows someone to go AFK or at least semi-AFK for hours and that seems to irritate the "Internet Spaceships are Serious Business"-faction to no end....
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.01.19 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Disastro I think that is not hate but oportunity that causes miners so much grief in this game. Folks find them easier to kill so they do so.
It's for sure not hate. You don't hate somebody who is providing you with joy.
I'm not sure if there is a term for that yet. How about amazement-of-silliness? You really have to wonder what kind of player willingly picks minimum wages work that places him in the most vulnerable position. I really hope it's the lack of a proper handbook.
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Selune Virra
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Joe McAlt Same reason stronger, bigger kids beat up on smaller, more timid kids in school. Because they can and it makes them feel good. They couch it in all kinds of ways and justify in the same manner but in the end it is just a way of feeling tough when they get bored or need to take their anger out on some else because the one they are ****ed at scares them to much.
They are right about one thing though. It is a game and you have decided to play in the sandbox. When someone kicks the sand in your face you kick back or just say nice shot. Crying about it just makes you look weak
^^ This. Also, in hisec, it seems that if you turn around and actually beat the tar out of the guy, you get tears from him . Trouble with this is you probably will win a wardec from him (OTOH, if the other pilot is decent once they know you can pew pew a little, they tend to leave you alone)
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Salliene
Gallente Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sanai Nobuseri I am relatively new to the game, and I wanted to Mine, Build ships, stations etc for other people and every where I turn theres people saying miners are scum, there hated, theres organised alliances that hunt and just kill miners, and even a yearly competiton someone told me about called hulkageddon where you kill as many miners as you can for prizez. What I would like to know is why? Doesnt the game need people to mine in order to provide the materials for the entire community?
Miners are stupid. Pirates are stupid. Market traders are stupid. Mission runners are stupid. Explorers are stupid. Nullsec armchair generals are stupid. Role players are stupid.
Basically anyone who doesn't play EVE the way *I* think it should be played is stupid and should be shot on sight (in game).
* The EVE Mindset in a nutshell.
** Help, help! I'm in a nutshell.
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Pugzilla Black
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pugzilla Black on 19/01/2011 21:12:04
Originally by: Sanai Nobuseri I am relatively new to the game, and I wanted to Mine, Build ships, stations etc for other people and every where I turn theres people saying miners are scum, there hated, theres organised alliances that hunt and just kill miners, and even a yearly competiton someone told me about called hulkageddon where you kill as many miners as you can for prizez. What I would like to know is why? Doesnt the game need people to mine in order to provide the materials for the entire community?
Please ignore the sayers of nay. Mining is a great way to make ISK if you like a steady reward with minimal risk - as long as you stay in high-sec space. Too many people here think PVP is the only game in town here. There are soooooooooooo many other professions. Some don't even require ever leaving the station. Do what you like and you will find a way to make the ISK.
Enjoy!
Pugz
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Calfis
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Calfis on 19/01/2011 21:18:30
Originally by: Pugzilla Black Edited by: Pugzilla Black on 19/01/2011 21:12:04
Please ignore the sayers of nay. Mining is a great way to make ISK if you like a small reward with minimal risk - as long as you stay in high-sec space. Too many people here realize that this is a PVP-orientated game. There are soooooooooooo many other boring professions. Some don't even require ever leaving the station. (I'm a huge chicken-sh*t) Do what you like and you will find a way to make the ISK.
Enjoy!
Quoted for truth
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August Persona
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:29:00 -
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I thought Hulkageddon was more about having some sport with the macrominers and AFK players than anything else.
It's not really difficult to understand why this play style is derided by some people. If you work relatively hard for your money, it is sort of vexing that there are players earning their income while they go watch TV.
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Whispyr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Calfis (I'm a huge chicken-sh*t)
Judging by the fact that 99.9% of your "kills" are in huge blobs, I agree!
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Calfis
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Whispyr
Originally by: Calfis (I'm a huge chicken-sh*t)
Judging by the fact that 99.9% of your "kills" are in huge blobs, I agree!
Don't need to hear anything from someone who doesn't even risk putting himself out there.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sanai Nobuseri Why do people hate Miners so much?
Most people don't hate miners that much!
They just do safe & boring stuff which invites people to shake them up a little. That's basically it, nothing personal.
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