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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente Honored By Death
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Posted - 2011.01.18 03:36:00 -
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So, I've been reading the release notes and it has a lot of provisions to protect players from contract scamming.
Read the patch notes here.
Being a dainty little carebear this isn't my scene at all and I don't engage in this kind of activity. But I can see where it is a viable mode of play for the kind of person who wants to engage in it.
I'm thinking: is this taking risk out of EVE? Why is this being done? Wasn't EVE supposed to be morally ambivalent? Was it not incumbent on the player to look out what kind of contract they engaged in?
I'm worried that by every new iteration the game, little by little, is defanged and the serrated edges and brutal spikes, one by one, are replaced with hershey kisses, padded cells and helmets so that you don't hurt your head.
In EVE I'm on edge. I don't go there to feel relaxed, I undock and I'm watching local to see whether there are credible threats I have to be mindful of. It's EVE, dammit. If I wanted to play bouncy castle I'd GBTWOW.
How say you?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:03:00 -
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meh, contract scamming was lame anyways.
and I bet it will still be out there in someform.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:21:00 -
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What scams specifically were you referring to? There are several that involve contracts.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente Honored By Death
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Posted - 2011.01.18 05:36:00 -
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Contract details will now show if a station is player owned and therefore potentially unreachable.
Price warning pop-ups text for market orders has been improved to include orders being edited.
You can exclude contracts with multiple item types and the Want To Buy and Want To Trade contracts in your searches as well as exclude systems and stations that are unreachable. This should make your browsing a bit safer and less annoying.
I'm not saying these are necessarily important changes, but it's the expectation that the player is careful with accepting contracts and to beware of any problems. As I said, I'm not going to miss these because this is not something I do, but it's part of the gravel of the game that makes it chafe if you don't pay attention.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:18:00 -
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3/10
Decent attempt, but you pulled it too far with
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface but it's the expectation that the player is careful with accepting contracts and to beware of any problems
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:31:00 -
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I still don't see how this will stop people selling carbon for 600mil.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:22:00 -
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Does the new patch prevent regular ravens being sold as CNRs? I didn't that mentioned either...
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:01:00 -
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It might cut back on the "Want to give away all my isk for 1 trit" when the new contracts all say "You will pay xxx isk" and "You will get 1 tritanium" ...
...but it won't prevent stupid people from falling for it anyway. You can cure ignorance, but not stupid. |
Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:12:00 -
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yeah, I've read the patchnotes and was not happy at all what they showed. Eve is becoming more and more noob friendly, I dont like this. People without a clue should be ripped off, scammed and killed everywhere. Knowledge should be rewarded properly; this is what made eve something special in the past.
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Tsoutsekos
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera yeah, I've read the patchnotes and was not happy at all what they showed. Eve is becoming more and more noob friendly, I dont like this. People without a clue should be ripped off, scammed and killed everywhere. Knowledge should be rewarded properly; this is what made eve something special in the past.
I heartily agree, eve is steadily crippling the poor suppressed sociopaths. |
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Khanh'rhh
Caldari Chaos Theory Exploration
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:45:00 -
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As far as I see this, it is still allowing people to run scams, but it is making it a little harder for them to hide the scams behind barely discernible game mechanics / UI, ergo making the scam "legit" rather than a borderline exploit.
CCP have likely done this because a player is more likely to go "Damn, you played me bro" than "OMGWTF you lame **** - eeek arr!" -ragequit-
Hiding behind weak / poorly documented game mechanics is easy.
Perhaps we'll see some variations in the scams now? Surely that's a good thing
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khanh'rhh As far as I see this, it is still allowing people to run scams, but it is making it a little harder for them to hide the scams behind barely discernible game mechanics / UI, ergo making the scam "legit" rather than a borderline exploit.
CCP have likely done this because a player is more likely to go "Damn, you played me bro" than "OMGWTF you lame **** - eeek arr!" -ragequit-
Hiding behind weak / poorly documented game mechanics is easy.
Perhaps we'll see some variations in the scams now? Surely that's a good thing
the poorly documented being the important part.
In no other game on the market I have see a company so lazy as far as documenting their own interface Basically all the guides are done by the community which is just being lazy on CCP part.
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Maximum Kiely
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.18 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera yeah, I've read the patchnotes and was not happy at all what they showed. Eve is becoming more and more noob friendly, I dont like this. People without a clue should be ripped off, scammed and killed everywhere. Knowledge should be rewarded properly; this is what made eve something special in the past.
Peak number of active players seems to be stagnate.
CCP is a business they have to walk the thin line between attracting new players and retaining old.
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The Jam
Amarr Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:48:00 -
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I think this change will bring better tears.The people that fall for this stuff will derp twice as hard and thus will yield more tasty tears.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2011.01.19 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Khanh'rhh As far as I see this, it is still allowing people to run scams, but it is making it a little harder for them to hide the scams behind barely discernible game mechanics / UI, ergo making the scam "legit" rather than a borderline exploit.
This. A "real" scam takes advantage of misplaced confidence or trust, as in the well-known Goonwaffe recruitment scams. Taking someone's money because a user interface is obtuse or misleading is the lazy man's way of roleplaying a pirate. It's the difference between T4U and selling renamed regular Ravens; one is a lot more respectable as an accomplishment.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.01.19 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Maximum Kiely
Originally by: Robert Caldera yeah, I've read the patchnotes and was not happy at all what they showed. Eve is becoming more and more noob friendly, I dont like this. People without a clue should be ripped off, scammed and killed everywhere. Knowledge should be rewarded properly; this is what made eve something special in the past.
Peak number of active players seems to be stagnate.
CCP is a business they have to walk the thin line between attracting new players and retaining old.
betraying old principle fundamentals of what made eve what it is now can mean a very quick end of it. Casualizing eve is a big step towards its death.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:28:00 -
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I see nothing here that prevents inventive contracting :)
Anyway, once you get a few billion, you can set a market item at any price you want. If you cannot contract scam, manipulate the market :)
Plenty of ways to make isk in the traditional criminally corrupted eve way :)
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