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Kharylien Gallente Masked Rider Project	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Abacus Primo Edited by: Abacus Primo on 19/01/2011 02:56:54 No I can't be Asian or young anymore? ... This is a self portrait from my College Art class and I refuse to have to make myself look like an old person. 1) It may be dangerous to your mental health to identify too strongly with your EVE character. Bad things happen to EVE characters. 2) Uh, yes, you can. You can look relatively Asian (you can't "be" Asian, unless you can point Asia out to me on a map of New Eden). Adjust the areas around the eyes and you can go full epicanthic fold if you want. 3) You can, in fact, look young. See that "age" slider? Don't advance it. Zomg, you're young! 4) Harden up, princess.
Tra'Kar Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:36:00 - [32] I can't imagine why anyone would really get worked up over a static avatar that few people will ever see and has nothing to do with the game. Hey, wait... Now that I think of it, I want my hot key back that quits the game. It used to be "Ctrl+Q" and since the patch, it is "Alt+Shift+Q". I have to press an entire extra key now or reset it in the options. Man, I'm really ticked...
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:53:00 - [33] One of the reasons I would get worked up is that my Avatar is part of a graduate student project in association with Lucasfilms and Walt Disney Animation Studios. I do not want my work to go down the drain as I have been working on it for 6 years. Obviously you passive gamers don't understand. It's a person's ID. It's a self portrait of me, and even when I signed up to EVE just less than a week later I was robbed of my very appearance. Maybe I should just post a picture of me where you can see that my Avatar really is me. I don't want to be robbed of it as this is an important project. Originally by: Tra'Kar I can't imagine why anyone would really get worked up over a static avatar that few people will ever see and has nothing to do with the game. Hey, wait... Now that I think of it, I want my hot key back that quits the game. It used to be "Ctrl+Q" and since the patch, it is "Alt+Shift+Q". I have to press an entire extra key now or reset it in the options. Man, I'm really ticked...
Ai Shun	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Abacus Primo One of the reasons I would get worked up is that my Avatar is part of a graduate student project in association with Lucasfilms and Walt Disney Animation Studios. I do not want my work to go down the drain as I have been working on it for 6 years. Originally by: Abacus Primo I am ANGERED that CCP deleted the character that I just made 6 days ago with no copy of it. Originally by: Abacus Primo It appears as if my work is lost and I spent about 10 hours creating here not even a week ago. You have not lost 6 years of work. You have lost 10 hours of creating a picture. Re-create the picture.
Kharylien Gallente Masked Rider Project	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:05:00 - [35] Originally by: Abacus Primo One of the reasons I would get worked up is that my Avatar is part of a graduate student project in association with Lucasfilms and Walt Disney Animation Studios. ... wow. Okay, assuming this is true, then you do, in fact, completely and utterly fail, because you didn't do your research at all, or else you would have known this was coming. We return to: Harden up, princess.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Abacus Primo I do not want my work to go down the drain as I have been working on it for 6 years snip even when I signed up to EVE just less than a week later I was robbed of my very appearance Again...wat? The new creator is BETTER, and you can access you old picture just fine, as has been pointed out multiple times in this and other threads. Some people just like to whinge, I guess. Good luck getting hired with that kind of attitude to change. Also, what the hell is a "passive gamer"? Have I just been insulted? I can't tell...
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp BLACK-MARK	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:09:00 - [37] Linkage Kinda funny how it is only your old avatar that isnt saved in this thread [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Demonic%20Sentiment][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,Demonic%20Sentiment/tpl,freshkill_grey
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:10:00 - [38] let me get this straight, you used a character creator for a mmo to submit for a graduate project? wow talking about taking an easy route.....
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:12:00 - [39] Recreating the Avatar with the very limited set of animation tools (if you can call them that) is impossible. Trust me, we have tried. I suppose if anything this University will not use nor trust CCP creations in the future as being anything viable and futuristic in Animation. A very simple solution would have been to simply leave peoples appearances as they are / were until their new software was established. Seems they rushed it out very bare bones. I'm just sad that my classmates and I wasted our time.
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:16:00 - [40] one of my corp mates just got an internship for bethesda as a graphical designer, he used his own 3d tools given to him by his university and created entire models himself. From the skeleton on up. You cheated and took the easy route of 6 hours where it took him weeks/months. I for one feel nothing for your loss.
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:19:00 - [41] Well of course not. Our class which is funded by Lucas Films and Disney Pixar Studios installed our own self portraits as Avatars into EVE online. I was one of the late comers. I am seeing E-Mail from other University students that are now tossing in the towel on CCP as they have lost their online work as well. My problem was I put too much trust into CCP based on their long history with names like Atari and Simon and Schuster. I just didn't know that a company could evolve from such grand publication status into something like they just did. It's really sad. I am sure that our classes will no longer involve anything to do with CCP after this. And I am sad I trusted them and believed in their future that they just eliminated. Sigh. Originally by: Miagi Sans let me get this straight, you used a character creator for a mmo to submit for a graduate project? wow talking about taking an easy route.....
Captain Casperette	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Abacus Primo One of the reasons I would get worked up is that my Avatar is part of a graduate student project in association with Lucasfilms and Walt Disney Animation Studios. I do not want my work to go down the drain as I have been working on it for 6 years. Obviously you passive gamers don't understand. It's a person's ID. It's a self portrait of me, and even when I signed up to EVE just less than a week later I was robbed of my very appearance. Maybe I should just post a picture of me where you can see that my Avatar really is me. I don't want to be robbed of it as this is an important project. are you for real? if you would have made your character 6 days later u would have had more options and a more lifelike character. How does your "supposed" art background have anything to do with eve? I dont care if u spent 6 years working on some character, we are talking about your eve avatar...not your personal life. Use the new character creator and make something more lifelike and overall better. I just cant believe that you can get attached to something in just 6 days that would make you fly off the handle like that. Oh and one more thing, i call bull$hit on how close it resembles your real life art because of how limited the old customization is. If you spend 6 years creating a character dont tell me u re-created it wit the limited customization options eve had to offer in just 10 hours.
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Abacus Primo Well of course not. Our class which is funded by Lucas Films and Disney Pixar Studios installed our own self portraits as Avatars into EVE online. I was one of the late comers. I am seeing E-Mail from other University students that are now tossing in the towel on CCP as they have lost their online work as well. My problem was I put too much trust into CCP based on their long history with names like Atari and Simon and Schuster. I just didn't know that a company could evolve from such grand publication status into something like they just did. It's really sad. I am sure that our classes will no longer involve anything to do with CCP after this. And I am sad I trusted them and believed in their future that they just eliminated. Sigh. Originally by: Miagi Sans let me get this straight, you used a character creator for a mmo to submit for a graduate project? wow talking about taking an easy route..... i give you 2/10...cause i kow LA and Pixar have their own set of tools they use which has nothing to do with ccp or their avatars. Do us a favor and just quit if you avatar really was the only reason you were in EVE
Kharylien Gallente Masked Rider Project	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Abacus Primo Recreating the Avatar with the very limited set of animation tools (if you can call them that) is impossible. Trust me, we have tried. I suppose if anything this University will not use nor trust CCP creations in the future as being anything viable and futuristic in Animation. A very simple solution would have been to simply leave peoples appearances as they are / were until their new software was established. Seems they rushed it out very bare bones. I'm just sad that my classmates and I wasted our time. Pathetic. For a start, I suspect you didn't actually ask CCP about this in advance, in which case using their tools is inappropriate to begin with. (If you had asked, you would have known the system was changing.) Also, if you could comprehend for even a moment that the universe does not revolve around you, you would realise that this software is hardly "bare bones" - the new character creator is ready and complete. Grow up.
Kharylien Gallente Masked Rider Project	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Abacus Primo My problem was I put too much trust into CCP based on their long history with names like Atari and Simon and Schuster. I just didn't know that a company could evolve from such grand publication status into something like they just did. It's really sad. I'm not laughing near you, I'm laughing at you. "How dare an MMO company produce an expansion for their game that includes changes they published only months in advance!!!"
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Miagi Sans on 19/01/2011 04:27:26 Originally by: Kharylien Originally by: Abacus Primo My problem was I put too much trust into CCP based on their long history with names like Atari and Simon and Schuster. I just didn't know that a company could evolve from such grand publication status into something like they just did. It's really sad. I'm not laughing near you, I'm laughing at you. "How dare an MMO company produce an expansion for their game that includes changes they published only months in advance!!!" SERIOUSLY!!!! FFS!!! I was not emailed/called/faxed/smoke signaled/messenger pidgeoned this information when all i had to do was look at the Information Portal for the last 3 months!!1!!one eleventy one!1!
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:39:00 - [47] Edited by: Abacus Primo on 19/01/2011 04:44:27 No it's not all about me. Sure, I am upset that I have lost my appearance based on a self portrait that took a lot of work. A lot of us students can't spare the expense / time, but I trusted CCP and obviously I was wrong. Whom I am most concerned about are our other students. Our project funded by Lucas Films and Disney Pixar (thanks in part to our 4 graduate students that now work for Pixar and helped produce Toy Story) is now derailed. We trusted what CCP said that they were developing. We were told that it would be a massive animation enhancement. That it what our professors believed. We didn't HAVE a preview! We -Trusted- them. And we were burned. Now we learn that it is -not- an enhancement yet it is a destruction of our work, yes in my case spending 10 hours taking a self portrait and turning it into a "real" Avatar. Numbers of the other students have done the same or were going to. This is a deal breaker where our Avatars have been visually destroyed. And we have checked to see and no, there is no way to replicate them with this current childish looking editor. It seems obvious that CCP was trying to keep up or set a trend and just gashed their users and style to take a risk. Which means they don't care. Even while you can not longer see me IN GAME (The game I paid for), this -is- me. But according to CCP I no longer exist as -me-.
Xia Shianggu	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:40:00 - [48] OP whines so much I suspect CCP alt gimmick to make people complaining about character portraits look ******ed.
Angela Ashford Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Abacus Primo Well of course not. Our class which is funded by Lucas Films and Disney Pixar Studios installed our own self portraits as Avatars into EVE online. I was one of the late comers. I am seeing E-Mail from other University students that are now tossing in the towel on CCP as they have lost their online work as well. My problem was I put too much trust into CCP based on their long history with names like Atari and Simon and Schuster. I just didn't know that a company could evolve from such grand publication status into something like they just did. It's really sad. I am sure that our classes will no longer involve anything to do with CCP after this. And I am sad I trusted them and believed in their future that they just eliminated. Sigh. Originally by: Miagi Sans let me get this straight, you used a character creator for a mmo to submit for a graduate project? wow talking about taking an easy route..... Out of curiosity, what hack university do you go to where they use game character creators as 3D art tools???
Xia Shianggu	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Abacus Primo We trusted what CCP said that they were developing. We were told that it would be a massive animation enhancement. That it what our professors believed. See, if you'd done the most basic research that I, for one, would expect an UNDERgraduate to do, let alone a graduate student, you would have known that the upcoming Incarna avatars were going to be based on completely remade character portraits. That was announced many, many months ago. And now you are blaming CCP for your own poor project design - a project that apparently involved using a corporation's proprietary technology without their permission. Frankly, if you were one of my students, about now I'd be recommending you be dropped from the graduate program entirely. (If you were an undergraduate, I would merely give you 0% for the project for poor research and require you to take an academic ethics course.)
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:47:00 - [51] We do not use 3D art creators as character tools, we create them. Do your homework on the producers of "Toy Story 3 - 3D", find the University that the majority of the producers came from and there you will find us. Tip : Langford
Xia Shianggu	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Abacus Primo We do not use 3D art creators as character tools, we create them. What? That makes no sense, at all. If you create the 3D art creators, what do you need EVE for? If you mean you create the characters... no, you're using a video game character creator and then complaining because an MMO company altered its proprietary software and you didn't know it was going to because you didn't do your research. I will look up your university, though, so I can write to its administration and point out that it's being shown, in public, to be an absolutely abysmal educational institution, producing apparent graduate students with poor research skills, poor work ethics, poor actual ethics, and a bad attitude towards required skills for their field.
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:04:00 - [53] We were going to be working on it as a big screen movie.
Angry Gimp	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:05:00 - [54] Originally by: Tra'Kar I can't imagine why anyone would really get worked up over a static avatar that few people will ever see and has nothing to do with the game. Hey, wait... Now that I think of it, I want my hot key back that quits the game. It used to be "Ctrl+Q" and since the patch, it is "Alt+Shift+Q". I have to press an entire extra key now or reset it in the options. Man, I'm really ticked... Uhm change the hotkeys?
Zina Ostara	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:06:00 - [55] I will give you ONE MILLION ISK omg
Abacus Primo	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:07:00 - [56] We have submitted 12 scripts that I know of. All scripts include the Avatar of the writer. Now all Avatars we have created have been destroyed and no longer part of us. Does not make us want to trust working with White Wolf or CCP. We were lied to (along with all EVE players). This is not an expansion, it's destruction of the appearance of every EVE character ever in history dating back to Simon & Schuster and Atari, etc. Originally by: Abacus Primo We were going to be working on it as a big screen movie.
Xia Shianggu	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Abacus Primo We have submitted 12 scripts that I know of. All scripts include the Avatar of the writer. Now all Avatars we have created have been destroyed and no longer part of us. Does not make us want to trust working with White Wolf or CCP. We were lied to (along with all EVE players). This is not an expansion, it's destruction of the appearance of every EVE character ever in history dating back to Simon & Schuster and Atari, etc. Originally by: Abacus Primo We were going to be working on it as a big screen movie. No-one was lied to. All of the information on Incarna and character creation changes has been available for months. YOU didn't do even the most BASIC research. YOU wanted to use proprietary technology without permission. YOU were lazy and stupid. YOU are to blame, not CCP.
Foofad Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:10:00 - [58] Edited by: Foofad on 19/01/2011 05:11:36 Edited by: Foofad on 19/01/2011 05:10:52 Assuming that you are not in fact a major troll, you need to get to grips with the fact that you are the one that screwed up, not CCP. You had months of wind-up information that was publicly published not just on the EVE website but elsewhere on the web that told of this change. Not only that but if ANY of you or your project members had a valid subscription to the game, you could log on to the Singularity test server ANY time a patch build with the new creator was present in order to see for yourself exactly what you were in for. You guys are absolute idiots for relying on a game to do actual 3d software's job. Also, you spent ten hours on THAT? It doesn't look any different from the default (all four morph grids at 0,0) state.
Masurchi	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:11:00 - [59] Dude. It's a cartoonish avatar that is barely used in an online video game. I have no idea what possible bearing it has on a gradute level class, now how you could possibly use EVE's character creator in ant sort of institution. EVE is not an artform, it is not a 3D animator, design etc... You get into little space ships and blow each other up. Using EVE as some sort of 3D design program is a bit strange. You want to use a character creator? Get one. The logical thing to do would be to set up some sort of contact with CCP prior to beginning this vague project. At no time at all did CCP ever claim to kept your little portrait on file anywhere. Read the EULA. If you had actually intended to use their system in your project you should have contacted them earlier. You should have done research, any sort of research at all on the huge pending update that's only been posted everywhere on EVE related sources for the last 3 months. Your poor planning resulted in your current situation. Stop blaming CCP. They didn't promise to help you with your little art project, therefore, your bashing of their reputation is really making you look foolish. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were trolling the forums.
Angela Ashford Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Abacus Primo We do not use 3D art creators as character tools, we create them. Do your homework on the producers of "Toy Story 3 - 3D", find the University that the majority of the producers came from and there you will find us. Tip : Langford Interesting, Does Langford have package deals on 3D artists? I mean like five for the price of one sort of thing, to make it cheaper to produce movies.

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