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Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:48:00 -
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Citsatllort wrote:It's already at the point where I'm not going to renew.
We don't need quitters around here anyway.
OT: I already pay for my subs along with all my alts. You can go give another developer your time and money but you'll never get the quality CCP delivers. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:26:00 -
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Maxxatan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote: Moral is that not only is PLEX RMT, but it's one of the root causes of the runaway inflation going on right now.
PLEX is not an isk faucet. It is a small isk sink really because of transaction taxes.
I've always been a little torn on PLEX.
Ultimately, a PLEX is just a GTC by another name: you buy it for real money and use it for gametime. The end-of-life for every PLEX is gametime. Once it's consumed, that value is gone from the EVE universe. So it's really not "manufacturing ISK out of thin air" any more than subbing a new player is "manufacturing ISK out of thin air".
PLEX does distort play in other ways, though, and it can give rise to a "pay to win" situation. EVE is a time-heavy game -- the only way prior to PLEX to get billions of ISK for a freighter or POS or something was to grind endlessly for it. Now, a few PLEX and hey presto! Shiny new freighter in your hanger. Or unlimited amounts of POS fuel. Or whatever.
So, yes, PLEX can allow a player to "speed up" EVE a bit.
But the flip-side of this is that adults in RL do not have unlimited amounts of time to grind for ISK. If all you have is an hour or two a day to play EVE, PLEX is pretty much the only way to be able to afford some of the more pimp gear in a reasonable time frame. EVE is a game to be played for fun; it shouldn't be a second job. PLEX allows more well-heeled players to basically subsidize play-time for poorer players who have more time than money. Both sides win -- that's the glory of a market economy.
It's also a myth that a PLEX is a "play for free" option. Someone paid real money for PLEX, and at some point the PLEX will be consumed as game-time. Poorer folk with more time than money are using RL time to grind ISK to buy PLEX to play EVE. They are simply substituting time for money. (Because in RL as in EVE, time is money.) |
AdmiralJohn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:12:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:[quote=Maxxatan]But the flip-side of this is that adults in RL do not have unlimited amounts of time to grind for ISK. If all you have is an hour or two a day to play EVE, PLEX is pretty much the only way to be able to afford some of the more pimp gear in a reasonable time frame. EVE is a game to be played for fun; it shouldn't be a second job. PLEX allows more well-heeled players to basically subsidize play-time for poorer players who have more time than money. Both sides win -- that's the glory of a market economy.
It's also a myth that a PLEX is a "play for free" option. Someone paid real money for PLEX, and at some point the PLEX will be consumed as game-time. Poorer folk with more time than money are using RL time to grind ISK to buy PLEX to play EVE. They are simply substituting time for money. (Because in RL as in EVE, time is money.)
This is exactly it. When I have time to play, I don't want to spend it grinding boring missions or belt ratting or whatever it is the plebs do. I want to have enough to fly a ship that isn't ****-fit, join a fleet and dump on nerds. I also put some money towards seeding the market, and currently that's my only way of making ISK in-game, but I do it more to help the alliance than to make a profit.
It's nice that there are people out there who will grind internet spaceships to let me afford this lifestyle, and I am kind enough to cover their game time expense.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:15:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Maxxatan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote: Moral is that not only is PLEX RMT, but it's one of the root causes of the runaway inflation going on right now.
PLEX is not an isk faucet. It is a small isk sink really because of transaction taxes. Neither is buying ISK from an RMT site. Some poor ******* still had to make the ISK to sell. But that doesn't make it right. Mr Epeen
That guy didn't increase the amount of ISk in the game by even 0.1 (in fact he almost certainly decreased it a few million).
He also allowed 8 other players to play for a month for free, something that ISK farmers rarely if ever do. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:28:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Maxxatan wrote:Mr Epeen wrote: Moral is that not only is PLEX RMT, but it's one of the root causes of the runaway inflation going on right now.
PLEX is not an isk faucet. It is a small isk sink really because of transaction taxes. Neither is buying ISK from an RMT site. Some poor ******* still had to make the ISK to sell. But that doesn't make it right. Mr Epeen That guy didn't increase the amount of ISk in the game by even 0.1 (in fact he almost certainly decreased it a few million). He also allowed 8 other players to play for a month for free, something that ISK farmers rarely if ever do.
Eight people play for free? Free!?
What happened to the 'common sense' Malcanus that used to make fun of people for saying that isk is free because all you need to do is shoot rats all day? Are you now of the opinion that minerals are free as well if you mine them yourself?
Besides that the comparison is between the people that buy ISK from CCP legit or out of game against the EULA. What's the difference besides one gets you a wallet drop and maybe, that's maybe, get a short ban if you are caught. Neither method of RMT, the good or the bad, increase the overall ISK in the game.
Stop with the apples and oranges, Mal.
Sheesh, buddy. You are losing it.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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