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Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Space Jew Sandwitch on 21/01/2011 08:17:15 Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. Look at post #3, thats the one. There is nothing directly antisemitic in the OP itself, its his answer to the first reply. Were you born in the 1800's ? its a term of endearment. I call my brother much worse than stupid all the time
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. Look at post #3, thats the one. There is nothing directly antisemitic in the OP itself, its his answer to the first reply. Ah. The stars blinded it for me. Yeah. Although I prioritize the freedom of speech over offended, crying people, I'd not suspect OP to reach 300'000 SP. ___
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Mijano Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. Look at post #3, thats the one. There is nothing directly antisemitic in the OP itself, its his answer to the first reply. Ah. The stars blinded it for me. Yeah. Although I prioritize the freedom of speech over offended, crying people, I'd not suspect OP to reach 300'000 SP. Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs.
Erich Zahnn	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:23:00 - [34] Non Semite checking in. I think it's weird that sov holders can't work their own doors but I'm glad they don't--I make a great income sneaking into other peoples backyards and ratting. The 'fear' of getting caught provides some much needed excitement to ones income making ventures. So where I was inclined to agree with the OP on the idea, I quickly realized that the game needs more fun; and free range ratters/explorers are fun for everyone--me to do it, sov holders to catch me doing it.
Elmo Vormar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:23:00 - [35] if you want easy mode: go back to highsec you carebear
Spineker Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:25:00 - [36] Edited by: Spineker on 21/01/2011 08:25:20 "Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs." Of course it does. It either is or it isn't, can't pick and chose. But we don't have freedom of speech here, this is more like private property and has rules. So...
Chuckles McLaughy	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. I am referring to their character name. I was also trolling them and never actually had any intention of petitioning their character name. I didn't actually take offense at it although I am Jewish and if I was anal retentive like some of my relatives, could/would have. I would like to know however, how the Holocaust was 'our mistake' and how I am to learn from it and move on to a more liberal society? I know that isn't what you meant when you said that, but I felt it needed pointing out that not all things people complain about, are in actuality their fault or their mistake. They can often be someone else's fault and mistake. I would agree that we as a society do need to move on to a more liberal, less anal mentality though. We need to forgive (but not forget) the errors of the past, learn from them and do our very best not to repeat them again, or do something similar to them again. If we are unable to do that, then we ARE doomed to repeat the tragedies of the past, and the repetitions may be even more horrendous than the originals.
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Mijano Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. Look at post #3, thats the one. There is nothing directly antisemitic in the OP itself, its his answer to the first reply. Ah. The stars blinded it for me. Yeah. Although I prioritize the freedom of speech over offended, crying people, I'd not suspect OP to reach 300'000 SP. Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs. That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. ___
Spineker Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:27:00 - [39] He is not stupid he is doing exactly what he set out to do. Honestly I LOL that people follow him into it.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Mijano That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. +1 ---
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:29:00 - [41] Edited by: Space Jew Sandwitch on 21/01/2011 08:30:55 Originally by: Mijano That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. 'Racebiolegist' you mean eugenics? Ooo sorry your supposed to be the educated one right?
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Originally by: Mijano Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs. That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. 'Racebiolegist' you mean eugenics? Ooo sorry your supposed to be the educated one right? At least he managed to spell 'biologist' correctly. ---
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Chuckles McLaughy Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. I am referring to their character name. I was also trolling them and never actually had any intention of petitioning their character name. I didn't actually take offense at it although I am Jewish and if I was anal retentive like some of my relatives, could/would have. I would like to know however, how the Holocaust was 'our mistake' and how I am to learn from it and move on to a more liberal society? I know that isn't what you meant when you said that, but I felt it needed pointing out that not all things people complain about, are in actuality their fault or their mistake. They can often be someone else's fault and mistake. I would agree that we as a society do need to move on to a more liberal, less anal mentality though. We need to forgive (but not forget) the errors of the past, learn from them and do our very best not to repeat them again, or do something similar to them again. If we are unable to do that, then we ARE doomed to repeat the tragedies of the past, and the repetitions may be even more horrendous than the originals. Tha National Socialist Party grew underground with a charismatic character leading them: Adolf ******. It was a rough them in Germany back then because of them getting wrongfully blamed for World War I. If you try to ban certain words or opinions, you are forcing these opinions to grow underground where they get a hold of people needing someone to blame. The freedom of speech must be maintained and protected - with blood if necessary. The people of Europe today are not responsible for the holocaust. I take no responsibility for the damage caused to your people. All I care about is the continued liberties of mine. ___
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Originally by: Mijano Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs. That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. 'Racebiolegist' you mean eugenics? Ooo sorry your supposed to be the educated one right? At least he managed to spell 'biologist' correctly. Why do elderly people always step in out of no where to correct spelling?
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 21/01/2011 08:25:20 "Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs." Of course it does. It either is or it isn't, can't pick and chose. But we don't have freedom of speech here, this is more like private property and has rules. So... It does not. Sweden, possibly the most liberal country in the world, for example, has clear laws regarding racial slurs - they are by no means lawful, despite our countrys adamant stance on freedom of speech. Your right to say and thing what you want is not a green card to slander and attack somebody else based on their race.
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:36:00 - [46] Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Edited by: Space Jew Sandwitch on 21/01/2011 08:30:55 Originally by: Mijano That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. 'Racebiolegist' you mean eugenics? Ooo sorry your supposed to be the educated one right? I translated it directly from Swedish. I have never said I am very well educated. I am seventeen, soon eighteen, and are doing my first year at a gymnasium studying social science. ___
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 21/01/2011 08:25:20 "Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs." Of course it does. It either is or it isn't, can't pick and chose. But we don't have freedom of speech here, this is more like private property and has rules. So... It does not. Sweden, possibly the most liberal country in the world, for example, has clear laws regarding racial slurs - they are by no means lawful, despite our countrys adamant stance on freedom of speech. Your right to say and thing what you want is not a green card to slander and attack somebody else based on their race. zomg this is where education come in to play. Do you know politicaly liberally and soclially liberal can mean two different things?
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:38:00 - [48] Edited by: Horizonist on 21/01/2011 08:40:21 Originally by: Mijano That's bull**. If wannabe racebiologists wants to go on ranting about their opinions, they should be allowed to, just as you should be allowed to rant about your opposite opinions and hope the people follow you instead. The freedom of speech is total. It doesn't exclude certain opinions. Note that I am talking about the freedom of speech as it should be, not as it stands today in our societies. I respect the opinions of every man, if only the person with them can debate them on an intellectual level. I give no respect to unintelligent people. OP seems to be one of them. He may be stupid as horse on crack, but he has the right to his opinion. Denying him this makes you as bad as the national socialists in **germany. Do not forget this. The freedom of speech is total, or not at all. Just my liberal propaganda. he is not ranting about an opinion, he is performing a personal attack based on race. I do not know where you live, but I cannot think of a single liberal democracy that would openly condone such behavior. Correct me if Im wrong. EDIT: Ah, I missed that you said you were Swedish. Good. I was hoping you would get the drift of my argument all the more then, you know the laws of our country as well as I do.
Potato IQ	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:39:00 - [49] The problem with freedom of speech is that itÆs available to the bigots, ignorant and/or just plain stupid as illustrated in this thread and many others
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 21/01/2011 08:25:20 "Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs." Of course it does. It either is or it isn't, can't pick and chose. But we don't have freedom of speech here, this is more like private property and has rules. So... It does not. Sweden, possibly the most liberal country in the world, for example, has clear laws regarding racial slurs - they are by no means lawful, despite our countrys adamant stance on freedom of speech. Your right to say and thing what you want is not a green card to slander and attack somebody else based on their race. So? Does it matter? The idea of 'the freedom of speech' still stands as it stands. Please, do not bring up Sweden with politicians who sells their own country to lick the ass of America. Never has the world seen such bull**** streaming of a country. Both Norway and Denmark are laughing at ass as antisemitism are growing in Malm÷, Sweden, in an almost as fast pace as in the Netherlands. ___
Spineker Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 21/01/2011 08:25:20 "Even freedom of speech does not condone racial slurs." Of course it does. It either is or it isn't, can't pick and chose. But we don't have freedom of speech here, this is more like private property and has rules. So... It does not. Sweden, possibly the most liberal country in the world, for example, has clear laws regarding racial slurs - they are by no means lawful, despite our countrys adamant stance on freedom of speech. Your right to say and thing what you want is not a green card to slander and attack somebody else based on their race. Sweden isn't free it is massively regulated Socialist State. Liberal in modern world is not freedom the reverse actually.
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Spineker Sweden isn't free it is massively regulated Socialist State. Oh here we go.
Chuckles McLaughy	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Mijano Originally by: Chuckles McLaughy Originally by: Mijano I am failing to see the connection to antisemitism in the OP. Can anyone help me out? This reminds of an Arab woman in Sweden suing her boss because of her random password reading "svarte-pul" ("black-pul"). It's just a word. How are we ever going to get past history if you people keep whining about it. Learn from your mistakes and move on to a more liberal society. Banning the freedom of speech is not how we stop the extremists. I am referring to their character name. I was also trolling them and never actually had any intention of petitioning their character name. I didn't actually take offense at it although I am Jewish and if I was anal retentive like some of my relatives, could/would have. I would like to know however, how the Holocaust was 'our mistake' and how I am to learn from it and move on to a more liberal society? I know that isn't what you meant when you said that, but I felt it needed pointing out that not all things people complain about, are in actuality their fault or their mistake. They can often be someone else's fault and mistake. I would agree that we as a society do need to move on to a more liberal, less anal mentality though. We need to forgive (but not forget) the errors of the past, learn from them and do our very best not to repeat them again, or do something similar to them again. If we are unable to do that, then we ARE doomed to repeat the tragedies of the past, and the repetitions may be even more horrendous than the originals. Tha National Socialist Party grew underground with a charismatic character leading them: Adolf ******. It was a rough them in Germany back then because of them getting wrongfully blamed for World War I. If you try to ban certain words or opinions, you are forcing these opinions to grow underground where they get a hold of people needing someone to blame. The freedom of speech must be maintained and protected - with blood if necessary. The people of Europe today are not responsible for the holocaust. I take no responsibility for the damage caused to your people. All I care about is the continued liberties of mine. Nor do I hold anybody today responsible for the mistakes and errors of the past. What was done can't be undone, but it also can't be forgotten or it may happen (and has, though to other groups) again. Having the right to speak your mind is not an issue with me, in fact I encourage it within reason, but if what you are speaking is hateful and shameful, while it shouldn't be censored, it should be looked on for what it is, hateful and shameful. As you say, if you force things underground, they can take root within the minds of angry, disenfranchised, or outright crazy people. However, if you also allow them to be spoken openly, they can do the same thing as well. Free speech is a double edged sword, it cuts both ways.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Potato IQ The problem with freedom of speech is that itÆs available to the bigots, ignorant and/or just plain stupid as illustrated in this thread and many others The only problem it seems with freedom of speech nowadays is everyone seems to have forgoten the vigilance part of keeping it free of ignornace.
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Mijano So? Does it matter? The idea of 'the freedom of speech' still stands as it stands. May I just ask what de-facto definition of freedom of speech you are reading when saying this?
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:46:00 - [56] Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 21/01/2011 08:46:12 Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Spineker Sweden isn't free it is massively regulated Socialist State. Oh here we go. Yup. We all know Sweden, Norway and Denmark are pretty much communist states by American standards. Still somehow we have more liberty, more wealth, better education, better healthcare and consistently rank in the very top of pretty much every UN ranking of living conditions, GDP per capita etc etc etc etc etc Strange that... ---
Spineker Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:46:00 - [57] Where are we going exactly? My point was which you totally ignored is rather simple. This is not a forum for free speech it is private property and CCP will deal with it or not. I have more important things to worry about than some word typed by someone I will never know or even care about on the interwebs. What people get worked up over is rather amazing to me.
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:48:00 - [58] Originally by: Chuckles McLaughy Nor do I hold anybody today responsible for the mistakes and errors of the past. What was done can't be undone, but it also can't be forgotten or it may happen (and has, though to other groups) again. Having the right to speak your mind is not an issue with me, in fact I encourage it within reason, but if what you are speaking is hateful and shameful, while it shouldn't be censored, it should be looked on for what it is, hateful and shameful. As you say, if you force things underground, they can take root within the minds of angry, disenfranchised, or outright crazy people. However, if you also allow them to be spoken openly, they can do the same thing as well. Free speech is a double edged sword, it cuts both ways. You can't have it both ways. Either you are for 'the freedom of speech' or you are against. I am for, and I will protect any man from prosecution due to his opinions. Whether he wants to kill people because of the color of their skin, or if he wants to make the world into a disgusting, communistic, antiliberal state. By these principles I stand. Proudly. ___
Mijano Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Mijano So? Does it matter? The idea of 'the freedom of speech' still stands as it stands. May I just ask what de-facto definition of freedom of speech you are reading when saying this? Exactly what is says: the freedom to express whichever opinions you have on your mind, without being able to get dragged to court or censored in the media. I cannot say I know a country with these liberties, but that doesn't stop me from protecting them in whichever environment I find myself in. ___
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.01.21 08:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Thuul'Khalat Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 21/01/2011 08:46:12 Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Spineker Sweden isn't free it is massively regulated Socialist State. Oh here we go. Yup. We all know Sweden, Norway and Denmark are pretty much communist states by American standards. Still somehow we have more liberty, more wealth, better education, better healthcare and consistently rank in the very top of pretty much every UN ranking of living conditions, GDP per capita etc etc etc etc etc Strange that... Indeed. But to measure freedom by America as a standard is beyond problematic - America is far from the only liberal democracy out there.

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