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Lonnie West	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:10:00 - [1] The title says it all... I've tried as many different ways that I could find living in K-Space to make that kind of ISK. Recently attempted to do some trading, I did make 20m or so for a days work. But I was having to watch it like a hawk because of a few trading bots. My main lives in 0.0, and ratting is awesome income when there aren't 50 people in the same systems doing the same thing and a few botters next door... Whats this game coming to? It's almost to the point that you have to bot to stay competitive.... Which is not something I'm willing to stay for.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:13:00 - [2] I can make 12 billion relatively easily. Without a bot. Its not as hard as it might sound. And I am sure 90% of those that do, does it without bots. Those with bots should be banned tho. Never try to compete with bots. Just move on to other segments. or exploit the bot users. Since their bots tends to have flaws. Personally I just move. Either product or place. Because time wasted on bots=isk lost. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Timur theLame	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:14:00 - [3] Individuals themselves aren't supposed to be able to earn 12b fresh out of nowhere. Its not supposed to be easy. This is an MMO and people forget that too often. If you honestly need 12b, it will be easier to raise if you do it with others! Get the Multiplayer back into your ORPG.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:15:00 - [4] Edited by: Iamien on 21/01/2011 23:15:23 Originally by: Lonnie West The title says it all... I've tried as many different ways that I could find living in K-Space to make that kind of ISK. Recently attempted to do some trading, I did make 20m or so for a days work. But I was having to watch it like a hawk because of a few trading bots. My main lives in 0.0, and ratting is awesome income when there aren't 50 people in the same systems doing the same thing and a few botters next door... Whats this game coming to? It's almost to the point that you have to bot to stay competitive.... Which is not something I'm willing to stay for. I can make 1-2 bil in a lucky night plexing. Doing this consistently I could easily get to 12bil, though I don't as I do not have ambitions for anything bigger than a carrier/dread. Also 2/10
Quinn Diaz DON'T DO IT DAD	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:15:00 - [5] I do wormholes with a friend of mine. We run 1 Tengu each, and 1 of us dual acc a drake that salvage and loot as we shoot, while the other one dual acc a prober that scout exits to prevent being ambushed. We get about 200-250 mil each per hour in a C3.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:18:00 - [6] A small note you also say, the more cash/assets you got. The potential for earning more isk faster is also there. Like trading in an Obelisk vs an Iteron I for example. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Rawr Cristina Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:19:00 - [7] there generally isn't any 1 thing in particular that will make you 12bil very quickly unless you: - Steal it - Get lucky - Live in W-space - Sell PLEX
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:21:00 - [8] Hi, making isk is like making real money. 1) earn more than you spend. 2) make the money you earned make you even more money. 3) try to figure a way to earn more then the average Joe or Jill. 4) get lucky You could also marry a rich guy/girl (which in eve would boil down to scamming) J.
Bryg Philomena Don't Taze Me Bro	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:25:00 - [9] if I told you that, you would interfere with my business. I make 4b a month without ever really trying. Sustainable and expandable business. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Gogela Freeport Exploration	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:25:00 - [10] The golden rule of making isk in eve, for me, has been the realization that players have all the isk. NPCs are poor. They don't pay much... it's much better to figure out a way to take isk from players, be it in a scam, a trade agreement, rent, or ransom. Just my 2 isk on the topic... ------------------------------------ "A hungry man will tell you anything if you give him a cookie."

Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:47:00 - [11] Pop ~~idiots~~ T1 haulers in Jita. They are usually full of expensive items you can sell.
Capt Banelings	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:53:00 - [12] I can make billions just by random market trades. You just need to know where to look. If you can't make at least a billion a night you're playing wrong. Just this morning i made 15 billion in one trade.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:56:00 - [13] A couple of months of L4s if you're not impatientà àa week or three if you are. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Lonnie West The title says it all... I've tried as many different ways that I could find living in K-Space to make that kind of ISK. Recently attempted to do some trading, I did make 20m or so for a days work. But I was having to watch it like a hawk because of a few trading bots. My main lives in 0.0, and ratting is awesome income when there aren't 50 people in the same systems doing the same thing and a few botters next door... Whats this game coming to? It's almost to the point that you have to bot to stay competitive.... Which is not something I'm willing to stay for. Stop being so nice, and rob a corporation. For god's sake, I thought this kind of thinking was elementary to new players by now. Look. When you first join Eve, you're a stupid smelly newbie with no money and no connections. You could join a corporation that's hiring other stupid smelly newbies to mine for it in their crappy newbie ships, and become an indentured laborer forever, or you could open your eyes. Hello. I just joined a game that's full of people trying to eke out a meager living in empire space. I could become one of those faceless, future-less miners, or I could notice that everything they mine ends up in a common area... something I could access. It's that kind of thinking you want in Eve. Look for other people making money. Find out everything about them. Find out how they're making money, find out if it's something you'd like to do yourself. If it isn't, find out if there's any way you could take those guys' money. I am a corp thief. I'm pretty good at it some of the time. I realized a long time ago, that there would always be people in Eve Online, who could make more money than I possibly could, because they were smarter than me, or more creative than me. I then realized, it's pretty easy to rob those people if you put your mind to it. Don't get me wrong, you'll still screw up half the time, because I still do. But the few times it works, it works well enough to let you afford anything you could ever want. Look at Bad Bobby, he just jacked almost a trillion ISK. Look at all the other thieves in Eve. They're all rich, like me. I'm pretty goddamn rich. I even faked a screenshot in Photoshop to prove it. Stop thinking about trading, and 0.0, and other such dead-end professions. Think about the entirety of Eve, who is in it, and how you could take advantage of them.
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Multiple Sargasm	Posted - 2011.01.22 00:20:00 - [15] Why do you want 12 billion ISK? If you like to rat in null-sec and you can't earn 12 billion ISK, then I guess you don't want 12 billion ISK. If you want 12 billion ISK for some specific purpose but you don't like to rat in null-sec then I guess youre doing it wrong. The most important question seems to be, not how to make 12 billion ISK, but what you are willing to do for it. Any newbie in a frigate can make 12 billion ISK mining Veld. Very few would be willing to do it, for a good reason. You have found the reasons why your current ventures don't pay off. Now use that knowledge to your advantage.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.01.22 00:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Lonnie West How do you make 12 billion ISK without a bot? Shoot Estamel and steal her Inv Field?
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.01.22 00:22:00 - [17] Create the next blink. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
DWEnvision	Posted - 2011.01.22 00:46:00 - [18] Patience, and being extremely frugal or selfish in my opinion.
Lonnie West	Posted - 2011.01.22 01:17:00 - [19] Well, I understand it takes ISK to make ISK... I have made 3.1 billion so far, but its taken a lot to make that. I guess I just need to do a lot more research on the markets to find the best place and way to trade. I just don't know where to start really. Thanks for the advice so far. =)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.01.22 01:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Lonnie West Recently attempted to do some trading, I did make 20m or so for a day's work. But I was having to watch it like a hawk I easily make far more that that as a daily average by lazily trading with a single 5 to 10 minute login once a week or so. Then again, I do have the benefit of already having many times your target amount of ISK in NAV already, so I can easily afford to be lazy. So... you either kinda' suck at trading (if you are certain your opponents are bots, that's actually a pretty big opportunity to screw with them and also turn over a nice fast profit), you have a tiny NAV to begin with (in which case, you'll just have to wait until you slowly get more, or just supplement your funding in other ways, most easily through mission-running), you have low-level taxation skills and negligible standings (both of which can be corrected), or a combination of those factors. Also... a mediocre L4 mission-runner could easily rake in 20 mil ISK/hour in highsec, a decent one probably over 40 mil ISK/hour. Let's call that 30 mil/hour for the purpose of our calculations... so to get 12 bil you only need to run L4s for about 400 hours. When you said "a day's work", let's assume you meant 4 hours instead of 8 or even 12 hours... and that's still only about 100 days, or just a bit over 3 months. Don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like it's impossible by any stretch of the imagination. And of course, there are always other activities you can engage in at the same time, like, say, a bit of PI, some manufacturing on the side, idle trading and so on and so forth... heck, probably even 2 months of "full day's worth of work" would be sufficient if you knew what you were doing. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _

Killer Gandry Caldari Red Horizon Inc	Posted - 2011.01.22 07:12:00 - [21] ISK in wallet is dead end ISK. Best way to make more ISK is by letting your overflow work for you. Don't care too much about shinies, those end up as primary targets to be shot down anyways.
Everinsearch	Posted - 2011.01.22 08:02:00 - [22] And for the love of Podding, DON'T buy tobacco.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.01.22 08:19:00 - [23] As evidenced by this thread: a lot of people will be eager to tell you that they make that kind of money easily but hardly anyone will actually answer your question. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Jane Griffin	Posted - 2011.01.22 08:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Jane Griffin on 22/01/2011 08:30:13 2 stealth bombers earned me 1.5 bil last weekend. Thats all im saying ;) Apart from ill be doing the same this weekend. :)
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.01.22 08:37:00 - [25] Invent a way to make money, and then continually repeat. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.01.22 08:49:00 - [26] wormhole space and patch day market speculation or you're going to have to grind in highsec until your eyeballs bleed _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Misha Mosqito Exanimo Inc Anarchy.	Posted - 2011.01.22 10:08:00 - [27] wormholes = profit My latest video
Br41n Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.01.22 10:15:00 - [28] Its easy, follow the next steps: Stop having a life. Join a 0.0 corp (renter or not doesnt matter) Go run complexes Alternatively, day trading if you do it right u make a bil a day easy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight? Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.22 10:27:00 - [29] I did haves & sanctums for a couple of months. That got me about 16 bill (10/10 escalations really move the total along) Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.01.22 10:32:00 - [30] Moving items from highsec hubs to nullsec outposts. I can easily double my ISK over a week or so, and it scales up to about 2 bilion. Now I'm getting a freighter to move ships too, so that will get much higher. However, I do not see any reason for an individual to have over, say, 1 bilion ISK. Maybe 4 if you're saving up for a Jump Freighter. May I ask what you need 12 bil for? Maybe that will also answer your question how to earn it. --- Originally by: Sporked EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.01.22 12:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Myra2007 As evidenced by this thread: a lot of people will be eager to tell you that they make that kind of money easily but hardly anyone will actually answer your question. I'm sorry, was there any other question in the OP except the one that is answered by simply pointing out that you can make ISK easily without botting and that therefore botting is wholly unnecessary in order to stay competitive ? If there was any other question except the one that pretty much HAD to be answered in the way you seem to dislike, could you perhaps quote the OP fully and highlight it in context ? Plus, anyway, what exactly would you expect ? Us researching the markets for him and giving him a very public "hot tip" for trade that will be obsolete by the time he logs back in after he reads it in here because somebody else already used and/or abused it to kingdom come and back again ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.01.22 12:58:00 - [32] You do it with time. Usually by combining several activities, some grind, some industry and a bit of luck. If you have enough SP in the right places you should be able to save that amount in few months without going nuts over it. Restraining yoursef to any single activity for getting it is counter productive. It ofc depends on your available gametime as well. If are able to play for 4h on weekend the task is pretty hard, if you are putting in 4h per evening then the hard part is not spending what you get right away.
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.01.22 13:02:00 - [33] OP states its basicly impossible to get rich without botting. And thats very far from the truth. And CCP should do more to ban botters on the other hand. But botters are still not a majority. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Ken Cook	Posted - 2011.01.22 13:17:00 - [34] 6 PI colonies in low/nulsec making drones or mainframes or their parts + plexing with your main... money in da bank shawdy whatchu thank
Iraherag	Posted - 2011.01.22 14:44:00 - [35] Oh, I know the answer to that!!! You find out how to make 1 ISK without a bot and then repeat it 12 billion times. If you find out how to make 10 ISK without a bot you only need to repeat it 1.2 billion times, etc. What did I win?
Sully Tude	Posted - 2011.01.23 03:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Bryg Philomena if I told you that, you would interfere with my business. I make 4b a month without ever really trying. Sustainable and expandable business. Far as I know you do it via reactions in low-sec. There was some thread where you tried to get people to invest in your business after telling everyone in a previous thread "I'm a corp thief, don't trust me." Um...so yeah, even more credence to the whole corp theft thing. You know, if you enjoy playing an MMO alone, since good luck making friends after a couple thefts.
Bryg Philomena Don't Taze Me Bro	Posted - 2011.01.23 07:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Sully Tude Originally by: Bryg Philomena if I told you that, you would interfere with my business. I make 4b a month without ever really trying. Sustainable and expandable business. Far as I know you do it via reactions in low-sec. There was some thread where you tried to get people to invest in your business after telling everyone in a previous thread "I'm a corp thief, don't trust me." Um...so yeah, even more credence to the whole corp theft thing. You know, if you enjoy playing an MMO alone, since good luck making friends after a couple thefts. Eve-search is strong in this one. Back when I posted that I was running 16 large towers in lowsec.
Quemist	Posted - 2011.01.23 07:41:00 - [38] Ah, the final solution of the Jewish question. Much sought after, rarely found. I would suggest joing a 0.0 alliance and running 400 sanctums. It isn't perfect but the best I can do. I am still searching for the answer. See how that works out.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.23 08:45:00 - [39] Run a Bank. Then rob it.
Musashi IV	Posted - 2011.01.23 11:59:00 - [40] Mining is the way to make alot of ISK if you can take the boredom. I have a 3 player ore and ice mining corp. It takes 2 Macs about 75min to fill an orca. When the price of ice was about 130k I could make about 25 mil per load. Now thier is so many bots the price of ice has dropped to 75k but it still an easy way to make ISK>

Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.23 12:34:00 - [41] Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 23/01/2011 12:35:43 took me about 6 months of trading, back in early 2009. tho, it all depends on what you do and how much time you invest. 12 bil in 6 months is 3 hours of 20 mil/hour or 1 hour of 60 mil/hour. then again, you might make a right call or get lucky and make it a "moment" (it might involve lots of number crunching and/or looking around for opportunities). basically, look at your options, and pick one that you can live with, both in profitability and grindiness.


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