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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.22 11:23:00 -
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My sincerest apologies to start another ôhow to stop macro minersö thread.
It would be very easy to stop macro miners. All you would have to do is apply a 30% (this figure could revised) cut to mining yield of mining turrets/drones whilst in an npc corp. To mine effectively you would need to be in a player corporation which would make you war decable. Macro miners could mine in safety in npc corps if they wished but since their mining yield would be diminished. This would very beneficial to the economy. Genuine miners will usually gravitate to player corporations and as such wonÆt be affected. For the genuine player who mines in an npc corporation all I can say is time to find a good well balanced corp and please remember that mission runners had to take an 11% cut to bountyÆs when ccp introduced tax for npc corps. I have always wondered why ccp over looked minersà
Please remember that this idea couldnÆt be effected by a change in the macros software. So their only option would be to move to a player corporation where they would be decable.
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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.22 16:58:00 -
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Exactly what I said a reduction to mining yield. Impossible to get around. As for jumping corps to evade a war dec that can be petitioned.
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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.22 17:03:00 -
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All of the players would be in a corp at the time of the war dec right? So it can.
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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.22 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Memcoll on 22/01/2011 19:21:20
Originally by: shady trader
Originally by: Memcoll All of the players would be in a corp at the time of the war dec right? So it can.
As the poster above as said, people jumping war decs by leaving a corp and joining another one has been partitioned and CCP have clear said its not an exploit is accepted behaviour. One of the stated ways to win a corp war is to drive out the member of the other corp. If you do a search, this issue has been discussed a number of times on the forums, including GM etc posting to confirm it.
People have partitioned it when macros were using fake player corps and CCP say it was allowed.
The only thing they are not allowed to do is rejoin the corp while the war is on going.
What you have quoted from my post is me responding to what the previous poster was trying to say. I believe he thought my intentions were to target individuals. This can be petitioned in certain circumstances. I apologize if I have digressed or made myself unclear.
This isnÆt actually the issue. I am aware that players may leave a corp to join another one in the event of a war. You must also understand that these corporations may be war decced. This is what the mining tax may accomplish. For any miner to evade the tax they must be in a player corporation. At this point they may war decced. If they leave that corp to evade a war that is their choice.
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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.22 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: shady trader You cannot partition people for leaving a corp under a WAR Dec. CCP have stated both as a result of partitions and on this forums that leaving a corp that is under a war dec is perfectly allowed. If you look at posts form a couple of years back you will find the long threads discussing this very issue that CCP responded to.
You need to read and understand my post before posting. I have already stated that ôI am aware that players may leave a corp to join another one in the event of a warö. So posting that ôYou cannot partition people for leaving a corp under a WAR Decö is rather pointless. You can however petition in certain circumstances. If you believe you are witnessing a macro mining corp at work this is quite legitimate reason to petition since the use of macros is a breach of the EULA.
You continue to cite what would become a common practice for escaping a war dec. This actually would lead to useful information for CCP to pursue when receiving a petition complaining about macro miners. I would like to add that your ôavoid war dec 101ö canÆt be taken as a verbatim method that macro miners would use to avoid a war dec. This particular method I admit could be used by anyone. Only in a perfect world would there be no avenue for a corp to attacked before they all left. Some macro miners would be sloppy.
You must understand that this would make life very awkward for macro miners and I will agree that this approach would not be perfect but I would rather this than the easy life the macro miners have at the moment.
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Memcoll
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:41:00 -
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Ok now that the confusion is sorted out.
Originally by: shady trader Your idea significantly impacts on real players in NPC corps (some of hum stay there to avoid war decs, which CCP had stated is one of the reason for NPC corps). But is easily worked around so will have little impact on the RMT people since they tend to be well organised.
It will have an impact. Do you think RMT are all highly organized?
Originally by: shady trader If I wanted to I could write it into a programme to automate the corp hoping by monitoring for a war dec arriving in eve mail.
Yes you could and each one of these corps could be war decable. You would also be leaving a fantastic ôpaper trailö for CCP to follow in their war against macro miners.
Originally by: shady trader As for providing information for CCP, I suspect they have much better tools to look for patterns in the data.
CCP do have unpublished methods for tracking down RMT but they take our intel in game very seriously. This would help us the players identify macros also.
Originally by: shady trader CCP have also stated that they do not want to introduce changes that have a significant negative impact on real players just to cause minor problems for macro's.
This is by far the strongest point you have made. There are genuine players who are interested in mining solely in npc corporations. This would affect them also. If you take into consideration that CCP added an 11% tax to npc corps it is reasnoble that they could add an 11% reduction to mining yield.
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