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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.08.18 09:40:00 -
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Its no secret that Power of Two, True Power Team, along with many other groups have been using Wormhole space as a means of supplying their RMT and isk laundering.
I believe things will end badly for the rest of wormhole space if illegitimate groups like these continue to Farm Wormholes and cause CCP to step in; creating changes that will damage wormhole space.
I realize that there is no possible way to completely stop them from doing this, but there must be someways to make it very difficult to conduct their business without interruption. |
Gauis Scipii
Lycosa Syndicate
Surely You're Joking
0
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Posted - 2012.08.18 10:01:00 -
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You can try POS bashing them but they will cry and complain their allies for help. You just have to make them log off as much as possibe but most of the time they will complain to someone and try to bring in help. |
Calsys
Monks of War
72
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Posted - 2012.08.18 11:42:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:Its no secret that Power of Two, True Power Team, along with many other groups have been using Wormhole space as a means of supplying their RMT and isk laundering. .
proof or GTFO
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Fudge Sinful
Hard Knocks Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.08.18 15:20:00 -
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I highly doubt the amount of isk being generated by RMT'ers in Whiskey Space compares to that generated by nullsec mining bots and highsec mission running bots. I can't imagine that their presence is pervasive enough to require a serious effort to eliminate or hinder them, though it would be nice to introduce such organizations to the Friendly Aggression Pact....or in this case, would it be the un-Friendly Aggression Pact?  |
KOHTEP
Jedi Knight's Orden
1
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:04:00 -
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As there`s still no proves of RMT`ing in po2 or TPT ( which btw was PVP-based corporation, while had enough members for it)
i suppose that this noname from npc corp is just a troll. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
291
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Posted - 2012.08.18 17:07:00 -
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KOHTEP wrote:As there`s still no proves of RMT`ing in po2 or TPT ( which btw was PVP-based corporation, while had enough members for it)
i suppose that this noname from npc corp is just a troll.
I am confirming the named russian corps are indeed RMTers. They even partook in the blob of 400 tengus trying to evict us from wspace for what they said was a ~good fight~ they were expecting from 10 guys on defense. Retards. |
Kimerra
SOE Cartel
Wormholes Holders
8
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Posted - 2012.08.18 17:52:00 -
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Messoroz wrote: I am confirming the named russian corps are indeed RMTers. They even partook in the blob of 400 tengus trying to evict us from wspace for what they said was a ~good fight~ they were expecting from 10 guys on defense. Retards.
Calsys wrote:
proof or GTFO
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Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
85
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:52:00 -
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*popcorn.gif* |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:52:00 -
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Power of Two Wormhole: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/J222604/stats/2012-08-04:2012-08-18
You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming. |
Kimerra
SOE Cartel
Wormholes Holders
8
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Posted - 2012.08.18 18:55:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:
You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.
So?
add: Your "cause-and-effect" work properly? |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:08:00 -
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Kimerra wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:
You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.
So?
This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off.
Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships.
By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day.
Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming.
Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT.
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/ |
Nya0
The Elysian Agoge
Elysian Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.18 19:43:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:Kimerra wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:
You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.
So? This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off. Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships. By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day. Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming. Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT. http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/
For a big ish high end wh alliance, earning around 100 bil every few weeks is pretty normal. You need more than that to accuse them of RMT.
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MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
8
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:08:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:
I am confirming the named russian corps are indeed RMTers. They even partook in the blob of 400 tengus trying to evict us from wspace for what they said was a ~good fight~ they were expecting from 10 guys on defense. Retards.
Meaning: "They brought 2 dreads to that OP - they are RMTers!" Oh, btw, it is 400 tengus already? ROFL, we grow with time.
Quote:Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L Proof? I can, for example, give proofs of mentioned True Power Team flying together with one prominent WH entity once (which I suppose the TS is from), does it make them "associated" ?
You have proofs of them RMTing - go to CCP so that they ban those, and I'd thank you. For now - it is just trolling in attempt to blackmail all the russian-speaking wormhole community through several representatives of it (I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way). |
Kimerra
SOE Cartel
Wormholes Holders
8
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Posted - 2012.08.18 20:36:00 -
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MisterAl tt1 wrote: (I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way).
like this http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#66
thank's to -Æritish FW-corp for this creative poster
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corbexx
Aperture Harmonics
K162
20
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:28:00 -
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Kimerra wrote:MisterAl tt1 wrote: (I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way). like this http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#66thank's to -Æritish FW-corp for this creative poster
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
228
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Posted - 2012.08.18 21:31:00 -
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Posting in a "Russians are bad" thread...
Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
136
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:07:00 -
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Pointing and shouting "isk farmer!" is a far cry from actual proof. If you had any, i'd assume you'd have sent it to CCP already, rather than making a whine-thread.
If there was an easy way to identify and elliminate botters and isk-farmers, then it would have been done by now.
As usual, the ultimate solution is in the hands of the community. Generally, in the form of any suspected farmers exploding!  |
Van Slyke
The Red Circle Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.08.18 22:43:00 -
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We gank them on sight.
(But then again, we do that to anyone we see before they see us...) |
SpaceSavage
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
4
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:09:00 -
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corbexx wrote:i wasnt going to bother posting but some things are worth saying
confirm this, we open into quite handful farming system owned by nullsec alliances, most of them only active when the server is deserted, to farm sleepers sites only, around 5,6 hrs before dt.
the only one who is willing to fight is TEST.
@OP: there's nothing we can do to stop them, they follow the rules, isk farming isnt against the law
As the red circle guy says, only thing we can do is gank their cap fleet whenever you see it.
Eviction isn't an option because they'll just set up another hole
I don't know about RMT so no comment |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
52
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:40:00 -
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Jack Miton
Bite Me inc
Elysian Empire
485
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:27:00 -
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farming ISK =/= RMT
yeah, everyone in WHs know those corps are carebear farmers who log off whenever anything connect to their system, that doesnt mean they RMT.
you will find the 95% of big wh groups will run all their home sites everyday so looking at any heavily occupied c5-6 wh will give you the same results... |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:42:00 -
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I find it amusing that when I speak about Power of Two and True Power Team and RMT, its not PoT nor TPT that comes.
It is W-Space and Wormhole Holders that arrive as a defense force in their stead.
What is the connection between these groups, what are their associations with each other?
"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |
Black Cheri
The Logs Show Nothing
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 07:15:00 -
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" they use the leashing method to clear sites thus avoiding all the nuets and scrams of the sleeper guardains, and making the sites far easier ...'
by Corbexx
Can You please explain the Leashing Method ... have not heard it mentioned before ? Thanks.
Black |
Beta Stryker
Trinity Operations
Aurora Irae
6
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Posted - 2012.08.19 07:46:00 -
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Nya0 wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:Kimerra wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:
You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.
So? This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off. Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships. By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day. Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming. Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT. http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/ For a big ish high end wh alliance, earning around 100 bil every few weeks is pretty normal. You need more than that to accuse them of RMT.
I'm confused here too. You're accusing a large group of illegitamite things because they make lots of ISK in high-end WHs? Isn't that sort of the point? Do it right, make money....
Maybe I missed the rule where CCP dictates how ppl run their anamoly sites? |
corbexx
Aperture Harmonics
K162
20
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Posted - 2012.08.19 07:49:00 -
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Black Cheri wrote:
" they use the leashing method to clear sites thus avoiding all the nuets and scrams of the sleeper guardains, and making the sites far easier ...'
by Corbexx
Can You please explain the Leashing Method ... have not heard it mentioned before ? Thanks.
Black
You basically extend the grid of the site you want to do to around 400km by warping in pods or zyphers, then you warp your caps in at that range. the sleeper bs will only come out to 250 km and then hit a invisible wall where they bounce go back and forward a bit. making it very easy to kill them with dreads. It also stops them from nueting and pointing you as they dont get in range to do that |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:06:00 -
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Beta Stryker wrote:Nya0 wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:Kimerra wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:
You can see some heavy and fairly consistent sleeper farming.
So? This is over a two week period with give or a take a few days off. Cap escalations will make 750 mil per site with 28 sleeper battleships. By looking at the graphs Power of Two does 3 sites on average a day. Doing math they generate around 20 billion isk in that one system in that 2 weeks they spent. They have many systems around they can generate lots of isk from farming. Adding to the fact that Power of Two are associated with Russian groups such as R.O.L., who have been under heavy attack by CCP's anti-RMT. http://www.evenews24.com/2011/04/18/red-overlord-leader-and-accounts-banned-for-rmt-charges/ For a big ish high end wh alliance, earning around 100 bil every few weeks is pretty normal. You need more than that to accuse them of RMT. I'm confused here too. You're accusing a large group of illegitamite things because they make lots of ISK in high-end WHs? Isn't that sort of the point? Do it right, make money.... Maybe I missed the rule where CCP dictates how ppl run their anamoly sites?
You forget who these large groups are associated with and who the members of composed. PoT's largest corporation is control by a CEO that was a part ROL, which had several members and even the leader banned due to ties with RMT.
When they get attacked, they pretty much call several Russian Nullsec alliances to come and save them.
Why would a sov holding nullsec alliance come into WH space to help a group not part of their alliance?
What do they gain from defending some people living in space not connected to them?
The most sensible conclusion is that these alliances have accesses to Tech 3 ships and have an isk printing system which they use to supply RMT trade.
"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |
corbexx
Aperture Harmonics
K162
20
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:32:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:
When they get attacked, they pretty much call several Russian Nullsec alliances to come and save them.
Why would a sov holding nullsec alliance come into WH space to help a group not part of their alliance?
This isnt exactly true either, last time we attacked them and they did batphone just about everyone the major people helping where, Starbridge, W-space, UNKOWN, TPT and some white noise (10 to 15) although at the time white noise had just lost all there space to the goons, there may have been a couple others from token null secs groups but it certainly wasntt null sec russians who saved them.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
39
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:51:00 -
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Guys guys! There is a secret the big evil alliances do not want you to know!
Tinfoil does not work! Make your hats out of chicken net! |
Kimerra
SOE Cartel
Wormholes Holders
8
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:57:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:
What do they gain from defending some people living in space not connected to them?
because of FUN.
or it does not fit into your mind?
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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:59:00 -
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Kimerra wrote:Ashera Yune wrote:
What do they gain from defending some people living in space not connected to them?
because of FUN. or it does not fit into your mind?
You seem very outspoken about this I see.
"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |
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