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Steelworks II
Anarchist Dawn U N K N O W N
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Posted - 2012.08.19 09:02:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Ashera Yune wrote: When they get attacked, they pretty much call several Russian Nullsec alliances to come and save them.
Why would a sov holding nullsec alliance come into WH space to help a group not part of their alliance?
This isnt exactly true either, last time we attacked them and they did batphone just about everyone the major people helping where, Starbridge, W-space, UNKOWN, TPT and some white noise (10 to 15) although at the time white noise had just lost all there space to the goons, there may have been a couple others from token null secs groups but it certainly wasntt null sec russians who saved them. UNKNOWN were there to return the debt of blood for two dreads, which PO2 lost in the attack of Narwhals Ate My Duck. We felt guilty for their loss and, because of this, responded to the request for help. I think, Starbridge, TPT and W-Space were there for the same reason. |

MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
9
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Posted - 2012.08.19 09:40:00 -
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Steel, we actually attacked AQUILA. But lost those dreads to others like mentioned Narwals.
TS is a nice troll. Like expected, he is currently trying to connect whom he claims to be RMT with other Russian-speaking WH entities. How predictable. |

Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.08.19 09:53:00 -
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MisterAl tt1 wrote:Steel, we actually attacked AQUILA. But lost those dreads to others like mentioned Narwals.
TS is a nice troll. Like expected, he is currently trying to connect whom he claims to be RMT with other Russian-speaking WH entities. How predictable. Next thing expected is TS telling we are all RMT or something and we all have to be evicted, which makes this thread looking like an "artilery preparation" for yet another "let's evict all Russians" campaign, as the start of a new gaming season is near.
TS, post with your main, "show us your ugly face".
I represent only the truth. "Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |

MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
9
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Posted - 2012.08.19 09:59:00 -
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People hiding their faces "representing the truth", ha-ha.
Anyway, will there be proofs of RMT, or is it all your imagination? So far there is only proof of active farming, which is known for everyone, and the "connection with ROL" of the same kind I can give proofs of TPT while being in PO2 alliance actually helped AHARM in CCRES eviction. Does it make them "connected" ? I doubt.
I wonder is there a forum rule about blackmailing? At eve-ru you have to back such accusations with real proofs. |

Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:17:00 -
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MisterAl tt1 wrote:People hiding their faces "representing the truth", ha-ha.
Anyway, will there be proofs of RMT, or is it all your imagination? So far there is only proof of active farming, which is known for everyone, and the "connection with ROL" of the same kind I can give proofs of TPT while being in PO2 alliance actually helped AHARM in CCRES eviction. Does it make them "connected" ? I doubt.
I wonder is there a forum rule about blackmailing? At eve-ru you have to back such accusations with real proofs.
The best proof is someone banned, in this case I'd say "oh, how nice".
Ah I see it now, is that what it is to you? Blackmail?
Why do you defend them so fiercely? Have I specifically said all russians are RMT's and farmers?
Have I personally attacked your group?
It seems you are taking this rather personally.
Did I hit a sensitive spot? "Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |

MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
11
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:22:00 -
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Proofs, my friend, where are any?
I know the drill, seen it many times - first you start yelling at every corner "this and those are RMTers", without any proofs, for sure. Then it comes to "they are all bad" then to "they are all to be evicted". So I prefer to step in from the start, and you are already starting to follow the pattern.
So will there be any proofs, or your speculations only? |

TOJICTOTA
True Power Team Out of Sight.
11
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:14:00 -
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Ashera Yune wrote:I find it amusing that when I speak about Power of Two and True Power Team and RMT, its not PoT nor TPT that comes.
I m here my little fat troll from royal amarr institute of facepalm. I just want to laugh, so feel free to ask questions. |

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
430
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:21:00 -
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*notices that OP does not post with his main*
*stops giving a **** about anything he has to say* |

Ashimat
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
35
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Posted - 2012.08.20 07:23:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:*notices that OP does not post with his main*
*stops giving a **** about anything he has to say* yep, why anyone (me included) spend time actually reading this is beyond me. http://rnat-postmortem.blogspot.se |

Abdul Secheh
Grey Legion of Death P0WER 0F TW0
13
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:25:00 -
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M8's, telling that all russians are RMT'ers is like telling that all russians are alcoholics  none of isk farmed in 222604 were RMT'ed, i guarantee.
one proof, only for example: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1816178#post1816178 other proofs you will soon find on killboard, in "losses" section.
i think topic can be closed. |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.08.20 09:30:00 -
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You see its like this. The "Rmt" Russian WHers farm out their WH and produce t3s, which they then sell to shell corporations. The shell corporations then refine said t3s into their base minerals, and then sell said minerals to other shell entities. These entities then purchase plex from the profits of the refined t3 minerals. These plex are then traded between goons and test until they end up back into the hands of the RMT WH russians. Once they have control of the plex, they are sold on the open market as "legitimate purchases" to unsuspecting players. The profits from these plex transactions are then sold for real money.
It all makes perfect sense.
Dont even get me started on the whole Technetium/Cobalt scheme. |

Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
160
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Posted - 2012.08.20 09:57:00 -
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Abdul Secheh wrote:M8's, telling that all russians are RMT'ers is like telling that all russians are alcoholics  So you confess? 
The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |

TommyTwiddle
Grey Legion of Death P0WER 0F TW0
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:39:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/J215930/stats/2012-08-01:2012-08-16
Just interesting, how much dollars i earned in my dirty rmt operations, from beginning of month... May be our prosecutor with no face could count ? |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:43:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:If there was an easy way to identify and elliminate botters and isk-farmers, then it would have been done by now. So, ISK farming is not a legit gameplay anymore and falls under cathegory of bannable offences the way botting does? Good to know that, from now on I'll refise to take bounties/rewards/market gains in order to keep myself from being banned  |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2249
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:17:00 -
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How to hinder w-space operations: keep a covops alt in system and deploy a set of combat probes. recall and deploy them every hour to keep them alive. It's like AFK cloaking in nullsec, but with a minor investment of time. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2249
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:19:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:If there was an easy way to identify and elliminate botters and isk-farmers, then it would have been done by now. So, ISK farming is not a legit gameplay anymore and falls under cathegory of bannable offences the way botting does? Good to know that, from now on I'll refise to take bounties/rewards/market gains in order to keep myself from being banned  Farmers sell their isk for cash, which is a bannable offense. You're confusing farming and grinding. Grinding for ISK is something almost all of us do so we can do other stuff. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Calsys
Monks of War
74
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:37:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:How to hinder w-space operations: keep a covops alt in system and deploy a set of combat probes. recall and deploy them every hour to keep them alive. It's like AFK cloaking in nullsec, but with a minor investment of time. wh isnt nullsecs combat probes dont scare wh dwellers lol |

TOJICTOTA
True Power Team Out of Sight.
11
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:18:00 -
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sadly that trollface is disappeared. may be he went to the royal amarr school. coz even in school teach that to farm 24\7 u don't need c6 wh\corpmates\faction POSes\etc.....only need is to run 6 accounts. so....troll otsoso u mene !  |

Slaktoid
Aperture Harmonics K162
8
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Posted - 2012.08.20 22:49:00 -
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Iskfarming is cool. It's way too easy and effective, but it's cool. We need money to buy ships that we can get blown up.
If I wanted to I could box 6 accounts and make 20-30 bill a week. It'd be horribly and utterly boring, and sometimes I might get ganked, but the net gain is just riddiculous. This will probably change sooner or later. In more ways than one. The only challenge atm is the logistical challenge of replacing the ganked caps. The leeching will probably be fixed and the general isk income in W-Space will probably be nerfed in the future. We're making way too much money anyway, it will be good with some nerfs.
We as the community have the tools to whatever we want. Jealous about Power of Two printing ISK? Go fracking gank and evict them then! |

Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
43
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Posted - 2012.08.21 08:08:00 -
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Slaktoid wrote:Iskfarming is cool. It's way too easy and effective, but it's cool. We need money to buy ships that we can get blown up.
If I wanted to I could box 6 accounts and make 20-30 bill a week. It'd be horribly and utterly boring, and sometimes I might get ganked, but the net gain is just riddiculous. This will probably change sooner or later. In more ways than one. The only challenge atm is the logistical challenge of replacing the ganked caps. The leeching will probably be fixed and the general isk income in W-Space will probably be nerfed in the future. We're making way too much money anyway, it will be good with some nerfs.
We as the community have the tools to whatever we want. Jealous about Power of Two printing ISK? Go fracking gank and evict them then!
If you consider the amount of effort, time, investment, skills, and experience needed to start out along with the risk of several things going wrong, I would say the reward is quite balanced.
You can not farm Capital Escalations 23.5/7 constantly like you can with Nullsec Anomalies, Missions, Incursions, etc.
Otherwise wormhole space would be a lot quieter as it simply wouldn't be worth it other wise.
This is not some easy sit down casual gameplay. Making isk in wormhole space can almost become like a full time job and gets boring.
I believe the OP is incorrect, Power of Two is not associated with ROL, they have closer relations with -A-.
I don't know about 0.0 Politics, but the amount of Isk they make is only pennies compared to the massive universe wide botting going on, 0.0 probably uses it more for war effort rather than RMT, which is generated by macro ratters and miners.
If we don't want Farmers we could just form a massive Coalition and form something similar to OTEC. Where we strictly control the T3 market and evict and destroy everyone who does not comply with our rules without mercy.
But then Wormhole Space will become another Nullsec, no one will bother venturing into wormhole space knowing that they will just get their asses handed out.
Wormhole will become much quieter and stagnant and we would become the very things we despised and wanted to avoid.
Speaking of which has Wormhole Space been rather quiet lately this summer? I believe it is time to rekindle the fire. |

Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
401
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Posted - 2012.08.21 09:09:00 -
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Calsys wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:How to hinder w-space operations: keep a covops alt in system and deploy a set of combat probes. recall and deploy them every hour to keep them alive. It's like AFK cloaking in nullsec, but with a minor investment of time. wh isnt nullsecs combat probes dont scare wh dwellers lol The only time combat probes are scary is when you're gas mining two systems deep from home. Other than that, if you have combats out for anything past 5 minutes, you are getting laughed at. |

chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
40
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Posted - 2012.08.21 09:25:00 -
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Calsys wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:How to hinder w-space operations: keep a covops alt in system and deploy a set of combat probes. recall and deploy them every hour to keep them alive. It's like AFK cloaking in nullsec, but with a minor investment of time. wh isnt nullsecs combat probes dont scare wh dwellers lol
Combat probes make wh people go. "sh*t sh*t guys, get your sh*t and lets go, pew is coming to us for a change gogogo"..... or something along those lines. |

Dan Carter Murray
88
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Posted - 2012.08.21 10:06:00 -
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Kimerra wrote:MisterAl tt1 wrote: (I'd expect this topic going down to "all russians are bastards" way). like this http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#66thank's to -Æritish FW-corp for this creative poster
I think you meant to link this one? http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#60
The author isn't British |

MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
11
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:23:00 -
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Quote:I believe the OP is incorrect, Power of Two is not associated with ROL, they have closer relations with -A-. -A- has their own bunch of farmers: TDT and some others, keeping them supplied with T3. And people here kill them from time to time, since from what I know - I'd say TDT and others farm even more, then the named. Or used to and planned to farm even more. |

Chitsa Jason
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
139
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Posted - 2012.08.21 12:46:00 -
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I just love reading about conspiracy theories :) |

Ext Semah
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 15:54:00 -
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P0WER 0F TW0 = RMT team all russians know it |

Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
44
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Posted - 2012.08.25 22:56:00 -
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AHARM and many other like minded corporations disapprove of these organizations actions. While their blobs can be formidable in numbers, they typically lack the skills or morale to effectively deal with the coalitions that have moved against them in the past. Even fellow russian groups such as Starbridge have begun taking a dim view of the actions of TPT and PO2.
AHARM will always be a PVP corporation dedicated to fostering a competitive spirit inside the anoikis. That means groups of this nature get priority when we determine targets for eviction.
-Z Former AHARM Siege Director |

seany1212
Relentless Destruction
202
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Posted - 2012.08.26 10:59:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I just love reading about conspiracy theories :)
Not empty quotin'
I love those who post threads like these and do nothing about it themselves, its like the highsec carebears that rage on the forums that their hulk got ganked but do nothing but buy a hulk and keep on mining  |

Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
452
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:57:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Chitsa Jason wrote:I just love reading about conspiracy theories :) Not empty quotin' I love those who post threads like these and do nothing about it themselves, its like the highsec carebears that rage on the forums that their hulk got ganked but do nothing but buy a hulk and keep on mining 
Or make a post about making stupid posts AMIRITE???
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
189
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Posted - 2012.10.01 12:48:00 -
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I came across two C5 farming outposts of nullsec alliances just this weekend. Systems where very few people farm massive ISK with cap escalations every day like clockwork. Either they are alts of nullsec players who do this like a job, and are probably actually paid for it. Or the accounts are shared among several people and they work in shifts.
Separately, I saw some notable individuals from infamous wormhole alliances fly in fleet with members of nullsec alliances, which happened to be in one case the same alliance the farming outposts belonged to. Which made me a little sad. I had heard fabulous stories of wh alliances banding together to keep the nullsec guys out of our game.
Just coincidence or does anyone else see hints of nullsec farmers getting a hold in w-space, and wh alliances allying with them? . |
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