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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 11:40:00 -
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After revising a few mails, before booking the meetings I'll make it clear now some basic requirements for the contracts so we can jump the basics when we meet.
A few things are requisites for the work.
- Be present at the time of incursions.
- Do not attack True Power
- Do not attack Jade Constantine in any circunstance. Concord registers of an attack to this capsuleer by any member of your organization will render our contract null and void.
- Minimum fleet of 20 vessels able to operate high, low and null space.
- No issues with Concord security matters.
-The amount of financial incentive that will be dedicated to you will vary depending on the information you provide and your fleet composition/ time available.
The terms above are non-negotiable. Any further questions we can discuss at the meetings.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
- Do not attack Jade Constantine in any circunstance. Concord registers of an attack to this capsuleer by any member of your organization will render our contract null and void.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww how cuuuute.
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Neu Bastian Murientor Tribe
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Punx Evangeline
The Foreign Legion Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Neu Bastian
Originally by: Revan Neferis
- Do not attack Jade Constantine in any circunstance. Concord registers of an attack to this capsuleer by any member of your organization will render our contract null and void.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww how cuuuute.
I do believe that is a standard item in her contracts, nothing really new there.
-Evangeline _________________________
Compared to mine, what is your crime?
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis But of course... And profit. But as a Sani Sabik I've made this clear at one of my first communications in this regard. Is that supposed to be a revelation or something?
No revelation to me, just making sure other interested parties understand your position.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 24/01/2011 12:58:19
Originally by: Punx Evangeline
Originally by: Neu Bastian
Originally by: Revan Neferis
- Do not attack Jade Constantine in any circunstance. Concord registers of an attack to this capsuleer by any member of your organization will render our contract null and void.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Aaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww how cuuuute.
I do believe that is a standard item in her contracts, nothing really new there.
-Evangeline
ALL contracts since the first Amarrian civil wars.
Originally by: Hooch Flux
Originally by: Revan Neferis But of course... And profit. But as a Sani Sabik I've made this clear at one of my first communications in this regard. Is that supposed to be a revelation or something?
No revelation to me, just making sure other interested parties understand your position.
Very well.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.24 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 24/01/2011 18:50:27
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Yes, it's much easier to win a debate (who keeps a score?) if you get to re-define words. You use the words, thus you implicitly agree to abide by their meaning. Failure to do so means an abdication from discourse, since no-one would be able to (or willing to) try navigating the maze of new definitions that are continually spawned to cover up linguistic failures. Language is not nit-picking. It's the medium through which we communicate. If you throw that away, you really do end up irrelevant since no-one can even talk to you.
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Herself, without need to submit to collectivist herd identifiers.[/i]
Interesting to compare the twin sentiments of your argument here Tatsue. While closing with an affirmation of your resistence to collectivist herd identifiers you nethertheless base the majority of your argument on doing just that in the realm of language and inherited definition. And while certainly it can be advantageous to redefine words to "win" a debate, a far more common approach is to selectively fasten oneself to one of several definitions and pretend the option is singular rather than diverse. Here we are debating a word that originated around 20500 years ago (according to our surviving records and comparing one of several definitions common and recognized in diverse periods +/- 200 years of global industrialization on our ancient homeworld.
But as I said, I find it interesting that you maintain there is only one correct definition of a given word and that unless one ascribes sovereignty of meaning to the collective majority (everyone/no-one but) then communication is impossible. It is not a great step to go from here to the monotheist dogma of the Amarrian church that believes there is only one route to salvation and wisdom and anyone with a different interpretation of history and cultural evolution is both wrong and evil.
I think you will agree this is a strange argument from one who closes her intervention with a claimed rejection of collectivist herd identifiers.
Language like government, culture, imperial thought, territorialist aspiration and collectivist delusion can be a tool for oppression and restriction of freedom. Its use is often in the eye of the beholder. We inherit previous usage and anecdotal memories of deployment and meaning but to claim singluar defination when multiple exist is simply hierarchical dogma mingled with crass statist rhetoric and frankly:
You are better than that.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:55:00 -
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Ah, so I am a collectivist because I prefer to use words in such a manner such that all involved parties will understand the intended meaning of the word?
I don't know where to start on that one. Yes, I admit - I like talking to people. And yes, I admit - I like it when I understand them and they understand me.
Also, I do not "maintain there is only one correct definition of a given word". That there is just you pushing words into my mouth.
Originally by: Jade Constantine I think you will agree this is a strange argument from one who closes her intervention with a claimed rejection of collectivist herd identifiers.
First of all, in case you did not quite perceive this (in my opinion) very obvious fact: the signature was a joke, a ploy, a parody. I apologize for my lacking sense of comedic talent, I shall endeavour to study Miss Neferis more closely and thus learn from the best.
Secondly, I would agree with that. Thing is, the argument that is strange is an argument that you have constructed, not one that I have actually made. This is called a "straw-man", and it is not how honest people debate topics. I'll assume you just didn't take the time to read what I wrote carefully though, or that I perhaps made some blunder in clarity, and chalk the lack of comprehension down to that.
Originally by: Jade Constantine and frankly:
You are better than that.
Indeed I am, since you spent your entire entry attacking a position I do not hold, did not claim for myself, nor espoused. You are reading way much into things that aren't there.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Indeed I am, since you spent your entire entry attacking a position I do not hold, did not claim for myself, nor espoused. You are reading way much into things that aren't there.
I suggest in the future you make your argument rather clearer then. I have the distinct impression that in your eagerness to make mileage from nitpicking pettifoggery you very much confused yourself on this occassion. I don't think irony is your forte.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:08:00 -
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I'd like to address this to Jade directly.
We've known each other for some years, and I'd like to think we know each other's positions fairly well. I know you share a deep connection with Revan, and that this drives you to defend her against those you see as attacking her. I can understand that, and I'm not going to disagree with your desire to do this.
However, since Cosmo weighed in during this thread, some things get a little clouded. So I want to ask out in the open:
What's the position of Star Fraction on the Nation?
Shin's writings
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi What's the position of Star Fraction on the Nation?
Here we go again, have fun my love. 
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I suggest in the future you make your argument rather clearer then. I have the distinct impression that in your eagerness to make mileage from nitpicking pettifoggery you very much confused yourself on this occassion. I don't think irony is your forte.
Actually, I don't much care about making mileage out of anything, I'm just amusing myself. Now obviously it is possible that I misunderstood you just as you misunderstood me, nothing strange in there. My point however is that the oft decried battles over semantics are often more important than people would believe, since if the meaning of a word is not clear then the message itself is not clear, and all communication breaks down - at that point we might as well speak completely different languages. I was reacting to what I perceived as a slightly cavalier attitude on your part towards this important aspect of language and communication - which you then appear to have taken to mean that a word can only ever have a single meaning (which is obviously incorrect). The greatest trouble with an illogical language such as the one we have is precisely that it invites such lack of clarity (sometimes I do wish our brains would work with a more logical machine language, but ah well) and thus it is important to at least attempt clarity - not dismiss any lack of clarity (and lamentations over said lack of clarity) as nitpicking.
But ah well, Revan, send some more our way at some point, will you? They've always been good fun.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I'd like to address this to Jade directly. We've known each other for some years, and I'd like to think we know each other's positions fairly well. I know you share a deep connection with Revan, and that this drives you to defend her against those you see as attacking her. I can understand that, and I'm not going to disagree with your desire to do this.
We have known each other for a long time Shintoko its true, but please do not mistake rhetorical flourish for neccessary defense. My lover does as she chooses and always has. She requires no protection in words from those she terms forum-vermin and soforth. I replied to Tatsue simply because the notion of singular collective authority to specific definitions of words stuck me a peculiar position for a self-professed anti-collectivist to take. I found it amusing to debate the point until it reduced (as often it does these days) to mere proceedural nitpicking. C'est la vie.
Quote: However, since Cosmo weighed in during this thread, some things get a little clouded. So I want to ask out in the open: What's the position of Star Fraction on the Nation?
A simple one. Sansha's Nation is a statist nightmare of hierarchical authority delusion that must be destroyed alongside the others if mankind is to know the freedom of genuine independence and future unconstrained diaspora. Kuvakei is the creature of empires past returned to revenge himself on empire's present. Needs must he will die, but never should we forget the reason he rose to prominence was the desire of Amarrian and Caldari hierarchs to collaborate in the creation of "better" and more efficient means of enslaving the common populace.
In short the Fraction consider the Nation an abhorrent and disgusting creation of technological statism gone mad and no true anarchist would withhold the neccessary bullets from this particular tyrant.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine I have the distinct impression that in your eagerness to make mileage from nitpicking pettifoggery ...
And I think we know exactly why...
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko But ah well, Revan, send some more our way at some point, will you?...
Ah Stimulus... Stimulus... tsk tsk
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine In short the Fraction consider the Nation an abhorrent and disgusting creation of technological statism gone mad and no true anarchist would withhold the neccessary bullets from this particular tyrant.
Good to know, Jade. I'll be in touch about standings. xo
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Good to know, Jade. I'll be in touch about standings. xo
If you find it necessary to add these sort of "xo" at the end of your future communications to my lover, you might as well consider standings negociations with some of my contacts for your friends alliances and friends of your friends etc etc...
Just a detail of course that I believe this post can solve.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis After revising a few mails, before booking the meetings I'll make it clear now some basic requirements for the contracts so we can jump the basics when we meet.
A few things are requisites for the work.
- Be present at the time of incursions.
- Do not attack True Power
- Do not attack Jade Constantine in any circunstance. Concord registers of an attack to this capsuleer by any member of your organization will render our contract null and void.
- Minimum fleet of 20 vessels able to operate high, low and null space.
- No issues with Concord security matters.
-The amount of financial incentive that will be dedicated to you will vary depending on the information you provide and your fleet composition/ time available.
The terms above are non-negotiable. Any further questions we can discuss at the meetings.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
What if any of those entities aggressed first?
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis you might as well consider standings negociations with some of my contacts for your friends alliances and friends of your friends etc etc...
Have you seen Kabuki's standings, lately? We're not exactly swimming in friends.
Shin's writings
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Have you seen Kabuki's standings, lately? We're not exactly swimming in friends.
That's a good sign but I'm not talking specifically about your corporation standings. Suffice to say, I seek quality not quantity when I speak of such matters. But I'm sure your future communications with the part involved regarding the subject will automatically set the course of my actions, no need for further ellaborations here.
Originally by: Vlad Cetes What if any of those entities aggressed first?
- True Power: None of my business. If they decide to engage those who are supporting them, little can be done in such matters. A simple log will clarify the agressor.
- Jade Constantine: If my lover decides to agress any pilots who eventually might be under my contracts, let her do what she wants and I will replace your loss and the contract proceeds, or kill her and have our contract rendered void. This is the case where I don't care who agresses first.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 24/01/2011 22:40:29
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Have you seen Kabuki's standings, lately? We're not exactly swimming in friends.
That's a good sign but I'm not talking specifically about your corporation standings. Suffice to say, I seek quality not quantity when I speak of such matters. But I'm sure your future communications with the part involved regarding the subject will automatically set the course of my actions, no need for further ellaborations here.
Hun, I grew up in an asteroid, and I've got more prototype wetware in my head than I'd care to admit*, so I want to make sure I'm reading this correctly. You're saying "don't make kissy-faces at Jade or my friends will kill your friends", right?
*People always think white-coated technicians and high-performance gear. The sad reality is more like crackpot scientists muttering "surely this time it will work" and unexplainable cravings for odd foods.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Hun, I grew up in an asteroid, and I've got more prototype wetware in my head than I'd care to admit*
I hope that isn't so terrible as you make it look like!
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi so I want to make sure I'm reading this correctly.
I'll make sure to put this clear and without need of further clarifications: I strongly believe that the "extra" unrequited romantic flirtations in your communication is out of place and rather out of context. I'm also declaring that if you insist that this sort of "extras" are extremely necessary, I'll make sure to use the means I find proper to deal with such unpleasing crass pattern. It's nothing new mind you. A little research will show you that I have taken care of similar situations in the past. I believe this is quite clear in all terms. Regards RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
I believe this is quite clear in all terms.
Thanks for clearing that up, Revan. xo!
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I believe this is quite clear in all terms.
Thanks for clearing that up, Revan. xo!
Not a problem, xoxo.
oh wait a minute.. hell...
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.25 04:20:00 -
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You guys just don't know how to treat someone who you want to believe is irrelevant, do you? Here's a tip: if you think she's a pompous idiot, then don't reply to her posts. Once you destroy her posting backbone, she will wither and die.
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Lord Maximullis
Amarr Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.01.25 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
What a crock of ****.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.25 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Two Shots You guys just don't know how to treat someone who you want to believe is irrelevant, do you? Here's a tip: if you think she's a pompous idiot, then don't reply to her posts. Once you destroy her posting backbone, she will wither and die.
I never thought I'd agree with someone of your type but I have to say, I've been telling them that for quite a long time now. Anyways, I need to correct a single thing in your advice, better than destroying whatever you call "posting backbone" would be to destroy the results of such posts. That's where they fail miserably... On a side note: wither and die? We are immortals, where did you take this idea from? RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Maximullis
Originally by: Verone
What a crock of ****.
agreed. Its tragic.
It is tragic, but not quite in the way you might imagine. The same windy-forum-mouthpieces spitting the same impotent drivel and nobody does anything to impact the object of the presumed animosity beyond posting derivative primal screams while pounding their galnet interface with weeping faces.
Oh the post-humanity!
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shadow saber
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:34:00 -
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So my Dearest Revan I see you have some some major players on your payroll im curious to see how this plays out care to inform me of the next step in this plan?
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar Ma'asei Merkabah Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis On a side note: wither and die? We are immortals, where did you take this idea from?
I don't think he meant it literally, Revan...
Good to see you back in space again. Time has changed much, I am now in the business of "personnel". Perhaps I can interest you in some of my finest specimens? I know someone of your stature in the Sabik community with such high standards would deem these more than acceptable as only the finest will make it through our well established system.
Contact me if interested.
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Two Shots You guys just don't know how to treat someone who you want to believe is irrelevant, do you? Here's a tip: if you think she's a pompous idiot, then don't reply to her posts. Once you destroy her posting backbone, she will wither and die.
I never thought I'd agree with someone of your type but I have to say, I've been telling them that for quite a long time now. Anyways, I need to correct a single thing in your advice, better than destroying whatever you call "posting backbone" would be to destroy the results of such posts. That's where they fail miserably... On a side note: wither and die? We are immortals, where did you take this idea from? RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
I took it from the presumption that attention-seeking people making posts on thisłor anyłforum will only do so as long as they receive the attention they seek. If one wishes to show that a person, an organization, or an initiative is irrelevant, one does not post long essays about it. One ignores it. It will go away on its own when it comes to the sad realization that for all its barking, it simply has no effect on anyone.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Two Shots If one wishes to show that a person, an organization, or an initiative is irrelevant, one does not post long essays about it. One ignores it.
Completely agree. People should ignore everything that does not affect or concerns them directly. But the usual forum vermin just can't help it... it's the nature of IGS since its primordial times.
Originally by: shadow saber So my Dearest Revan I see you have some some major players on your payroll im curious to see how this plays out care to inform me of the next step in this plan?
The best part of my war contracts, the enemie's tears to give an exotic taste to my champagne. It's always so many bitter tears... some of them can be tasted even with the passing of time as we have a clear example in this very thread. Such pleasures are priceless to me.
RN Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Originally by: Jade Constantine Why-o-why are our enemies so universally poor?
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