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Elrin Taal
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:02:00 -
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What 'use' is a POS in high sec. Is there any cool stuff I can do with it in Hi-Sec to make money or just gain something cool that only I can do because I have one?
Any info or useful links much appreciated :)
Thanks
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:07:00 -
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A POS in high-sec is only useful for doing research/invention. Nothing else.
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Elrin Taal
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Lutz Major
A POS in high-sec is only useful for doing research/invention. Nothing else.
I can see its use in that case since I can never see a free lab, however im guessing its cost is a tad high to be worthwhile.
Thanks for the reply
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M1ep1e
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:32:00 -
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A high-sec POS is good for one thing: Risk-free T2 manufacturing. If you haven't noticed there is a very serious shortage of copy slots in NPC stations. If you want to push your T2 manufacturing to a scale that makes it worth pursuing as a career then you need to have a POS of your own with labs. In high-sec they're are immune from attack which makes them valuable assets.
Buying a POS and running a POS isn't cheap and unless you have enough friends to bash in the skulls of people who want to screw with your POS then you're best off anchoring it in high-sec where Concord will do your dirty work for you.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: M1ep1e
... In high-sec they're are immune from attack which makes them valuable assets...
... anchoring it in high-sec where Concord will do your dirty work for you.
...until you get war-dec'd. Then your only chance as small corp is to unanchor it all and wait ...
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M1ep1e
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: M1ep1e on 24/01/2011 14:02:57
Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: M1ep1e
... In high-sec they're are immune from attack which makes them valuable assets...
... anchoring it in high-sec where Concord will do your dirty work for you.
...until you get war-dec'd. Then your only chance as small corp is to unanchor it all and wait ...
I wouldn't know. Some years ago I had a high-sec pos and it made me fairly good isk. We did get war-deced on a regular basis because our corp was in a 0.0 alliance but in my experience, war-decs against a 0.0 corp/alliance are intended to disrupt supply lines as related to a particular campaign and not so that they can run around killing small pos's in high-sec.
Even at that, the income generated by that POS far exceeded any risk to it from war-decs. Eventually, I took all my POS's down because it was a pain in the ass to keep fueling them. In my early days in eve I did a lot of POS farming for isk but these days there are much easier and less risky ways to make money. It amazes me that people even have pos's anymore that aren't mining R64 moons or placed for stragegic reasons.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:15:00 -
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High-sec pos's are good to all things blueprint. Researching material & production time levels, copying, inventing, manufacturing both T1 & T2... not to mention the T3 stuff, but I haven't edged into that yet.
Since kicking out a few corp members a while back we have not seen another war-dec. The members constantly caused trouble with other people through local chat "for the fun of it". Not being in an alliance, or tied to any other corps, and minding our own business keeps us out of the cross-hairs.
A pos can be expensive to run, not to mention a hefty startup cost, and fuel costs are going to climb substantially, at least in the short-term, due to the new PI changes.
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Elrin Taal
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Greg Huff
High-sec pos's are good to all things blueprint. Researching material & production time levels, copying, inventing, manufacturing both T1 & T2... not to mention the T3 stuff, but I haven't edged into that yet.
Since kicking out a few corp members a while back we have not seen another war-dec. The members constantly caused trouble with other people through local chat "for the fun of it". Not being in an alliance, or tied to any other corps, and minding our own business keeps us out of the cross-hairs.
A pos can be expensive to run, not to mention a hefty startup cost, and fuel costs are going to climb substantially, at least in the short-term, due to the new PI changes.
So I can...
1- Make my own stuff in my own station (ships/modules)
2- Research, make copies and invent from BP's without fear of no lab being free.
3- Possibly do this free since im into PI and get fuel from that (assumption?)
I need however
1- Cash to buy startup control tower/lab/factory etc.
2- To be in my own corp (no npc corps?) and risk losing it if war dec'd by a big bad corp :
3- Skill and BP's to use in it :)
I know this is going to be some time off but at least I will know if I want to do it later, of course this will probably go out of the window and I will be with another corp but good to know anyway :)
Thanks guys.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: M1ep1e
... In high-sec they're are immune from attack which makes them valuable assets...
... anchoring it in high-sec where Concord will do your dirty work for you.
...until you get war-dec'd. Then your only chance as small corp is to unanchor it all and wait ...
In my experience it is very rare for hisec griefer corps to attack a tower. They are typically interested in easy ship kills, not multi-hour sieges, and they rarely have the manpower to take one down. Wardecs between lowsec corps tend to be more serious.
Also, the hisec wardec is unlikely to last very long, especially when you make the war unrewarding for them.
If you are around EVE long enough, you will get a wardec. They are not to be feared. They are just a fact of life.
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Jimmy Doe
POS Consultants Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:39:00 -
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More things you should know:
You will need to have a Corp standing equal to or higher than the security status of the system you want to place the pos in. IE corp standing 5.0 to place in a 5.0 sec system (with that particular faction)
Seek systems that are off the beaten path, not highly traveled routes, and nowhere within 4-5 jumps of major trade hubs. This will help keep you under the radar of most griefing corps.
Stash extra fuel in a corp hangar array and just put an alt in there with starbase fuel technician so that you can log in and move fuel from the hangar array to the tower fuel bay when you need to. This cuts way down on the hauling back and forth aspects that make POS a pain in the ass.
You can only place a pos in .5, .6, and .7 systems, not .8-1.0.
Even a small Caldari/Minmatar/Gallente pos with 3 labs on it can net you
9 ME slots
9 PE slots
15 invention slots
3 copy slots
It costs around 100mil per 28 days if you're buying fuels.
Always have guns/ECM etc anchored around your pos. Even if you never actually have to use it, it can still be quite a deterrent to people who scout it out for a war dec. With them anchored and ready, all you have to do in case of a war is offline the labs and online the weapons/ecm which can be done quite quickly once the notice of the war dec is issued. It can also provide your pilots a much safer place to go afk, log in/out etc during a war than a station can.
If you want to know more, please contact me in game or join PCGLLC channel. I provide POS services, POS packages etc for people at much lower than market rates and I have been doing this for more than 5 years.
"The tree of liberty is nurtured with the blood of patriots." |
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
In my experience it is very rare for hisec griefer corps to attack a tower. They are typically interested in easy ship kills, not multi-hour sieges, and they rarely have the manpower to take one down. Wardecs between lowsec corps tend to be more serious.
Also, the hisec wardec is unlikely to last very long, especially when you make the war unrewarding for them.
If you are around EVE long enough, you will get a wardec. They are not to be feared. They are just a fact of life.
I totally agree with you, but I think that M1ep1e understated the fact of vulnerability in high-sec.
...and there are merc-corps that will do POS-bashing for money. Just **** off the wrong person and he pays the ... don't know ... 200mils?!
You know, 200 mils is not that much .... TAU!  
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Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Aureus on 24/01/2011 15:53:35
Edited by: Aureus on 24/01/2011 15:53:07
Wow, Jimmy Doe. Very good advice there! I enjoyed reading that.
I too have grappled with the idea of a solo POS but also am uncertain about what benefit it would provide to me.
For lab slots - the only one which is useful is the ME research and copy slots since those are the ones that are usually booked in high sec. But even then I can find plenty of places in very safe low sec pockets to do this. If you are paranoid then get a cloaking ship it is no problem.
For manufacturing slots I dont see any benefit. The POS slots only advantage is a bonus to time. But for me time is never an issue - the issue is material efficiency, which the POS does not provide a bonus to.
I am unsure of refining though. Ore refining is the same but what about ice/gas refining? Is there a benefit to doing that in a POS refining array in terms of better output? Can you even refine ice outside of a POS? That right there would be a nice benefit for a POS if its the only place you can refine ice.
What about moons? Can you harvest and process moons in high sec or is that a null sec toy?
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Elrin Taal
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Doe
More things you should know:
You will need to have a Corp standing equal to or higher than the security status of the system you want to place the pos in. IE corp standing 5.0 to place in a 5.0 sec system (with that particular faction)....*snip*
Excellent info Thanks Jimmy!
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus
I am unsure of refining though. Ore refining is the same but what about ice/gas refining? Is there a benefit to doing that in a POS refining array in terms of better output? Can you even refine ice outside of a POS? That right there would be a nice benefit for a POS if its the only place you can refine ice.
What about moons? Can you harvest and process moons in high sec or is that a null sec toy?
You cannot anchor Refining Arrays or Moon Harvesting Arrays in high-sec. You can refine ore and ice in NPC stations.
Refining arrays are only useful in limited situations since the best you can do is 75% efficiency. I live in a C1 worm-space. The logistics of carting out the large amounts of raw ore in 38k m3 batches is insane. It's worth my time and effort to eat the loss... at least until I finish building my Rorqual. 
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus
For manufacturing slots I dont see any benefit. The POS slots only advantage is a bonus to time.
Do not underestimate the time bonus. You can produce 33% more in the same amount of time...
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Echo Mande
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: Aureus
For manufacturing slots I dont see any benefit. The POS slots only advantage is a bonus to time.
Do not underestimate the time bonus. You can produce 33% more in the same amount of time...
Which is what I use mine for. I've got a medium tower for my labs (4 of them) and my module and ammo industry. It costs me about 150M a month to fuel the tower and if I didn't put in the assembly arrays about half of that would go to waste. The arrays also mean I rarely unintentionally have to wait for something to finish. One medium caldari POS should keep 3-4 toons busy.
Setup:
medium caldari tower
corporate hangar
component array
2 mobile labs
2 advanced labs
total of 6 ammunition assembly array / equipment assembly array
If you do T2 manufacturing and are going to put only one assembly array on your POS then put in a component array. It makes building T2 components so much faster and moonlights as a decent hangar replacement.
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Aureus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major
Originally by: Aureus
For manufacturing slots I dont see any benefit. The POS slots only advantage is a bonus to time.
Do not underestimate the time bonus. You can produce 33% more in the same amount of time...
Yes I meant that in my reference. I think in order to actually benefit from that time bonus you need several alts maxed out on manufacturing to ever maximize the sheer volume of jobs you can put through those slots. I dont think I will ever get to that point just the logistics of feeded those jobs with minerals gives me nightmares!
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aureus
Edited by: Aureus on 24/01/2011 15:53:35
Edited by: Aureus on 24/01/2011 15:53:07
Wow, Jimmy Doe. Very good advice there! I enjoyed reading that.
I too have grappled with the idea of a solo POS but also am uncertain about what benefit it would provide to me.
For lab slots - the only one which is useful is the ME research and copy slots since those are the ones that are usually booked in high sec. But even then I can find plenty of places in very safe low sec pockets to do this. If you are paranoid then get a cloaking ship it is no problem.
For manufacturing slots I dont see any benefit. The POS slots only advantage is a bonus to time. But for me time is never an issue - the issue is material efficiency, which the POS does not provide a bonus to.
I am unsure of refining though. Ore refining is the same but what about ice/gas refining? Is there a benefit to doing that in a POS refining array in terms of better output? Can you even refine ice outside of a POS? That right there would be a nice benefit for a POS if its the only place you can refine ice.
What about moons? Can you harvest and process moons in high sec or is that a null sec toy?
I run a solo pos for research and manufacturing.
Fuel is easy with 2 characters, you can keep a medium tower fueled for minimal costs as long as you mine your own ice and make your own PI POS fuel.
There are services (like mine) that will do faction standings so you can anchor.
Moon mining/refining is low/null sec only.
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Roland Schlosser
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.02.09 22:11:00 -
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There is also nothing more satisfying than annihilating a group of wardeccers in HS with your POS guns 
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Roland Schlosser
There is also nothing more satisfying than annihilating a group of wardeccers in HS with your POS guns
In hisec I use a large Caldari tower, as more CPU = more labs and assembly arrays during peacetime. The flip side of this though is not very much power grid for guns during wartime.
Instead, I have a lot of shield hardeners (9), warp scramblers (14), ECM (24), sensor dampeners (14), and a few stasis webifiers (2) and energy neutralizers (2). It isn't at all dangerous, rather it is meant to be as annoying as possible. A deterrent.
The EWAR modules also have a lot more HP than guns, so shooting at them with drones or FoF missiles isn't very productive. The POS would probably make for decent support when defending with a small fleet.
The POS does have a full grid of guns if it goes into reinforced though. They are mainly to help protect anybody repping.
When I had a heavily armed Domination tower in w-space, it did pop quite a few people that came to visit. Probably hunting the Zephyr I had out in the force field.
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Commander Disarray
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:27:00 -
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One thing I recently found, is that if you want to rent an office at a station in the same system as your POS, the cost is pretty steep. One quote was about 11 million/month, another was 23 million/month. Do your standings with the NPC corp determine this rental fee?
The reason I was thinking about renting, is that I wanted to store my BPO's in an NPC station for research/copying (more safer). Is that possible? And you just need to rent an office there, right? If so, does that NPC station HAVE to be in the same system as your POS? If I have Scientific Networking, can I store the BPO in another system where my better standings with a different NPC corp will lower their rental fee?
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:04:00 -
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if u manage to have 3 or more gunners online then a highsec pos can be a hard nut to crack. for example jatate 3-3 pos was atacked several times and could be saved by gunners. if you have no gunners then best dismantle your pos.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Instead, I have a lot of shield hardeners (9), warp scramblers (14), ECM (24), sensor dampeners (14), and a few stasis webifiers (2) and energy neutralizers (2). It isn't at all dangerous, rather it is meant to be as annoying as possible. A deterrent.
This is why these POS fits are typically known as ****stars, because their are designed to be so annoying you look like a total **** .
Deathstars are their deadly varient, but like above only certain towers make good deathstars.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Disarray
One thing I recently found, is that if you want to rent an office at a station in the same system as your POS, the cost is pretty steep. One quote was about 11 million/month, another was 23 million/month. Do your standings with the NPC corp determine this rental fee?
The reason I was thinking about renting, is that I wanted to store my BPO's in an NPC station for research/copying (more safer). Is that possible? And you just need to rent an office there, right? If so, does that NPC station HAVE to be in the same system as your POS? If I have Scientific Networking, can I store the BPO in another system where my better standings with a different NPC corp will lower their rental fee?
Rental fees work off the number of vacant offices in the station. I have towers in the same system as our office - high-sec Caldari, 6 from Jita - for only 10k/mo. Spending the time to scout locations can make a big difference.
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Commander Disarray
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Posted - 2011.02.10 19:19:00 -
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Quick question:
Can my POS lab slots show up on a public search if I'm not renting an office at an NPC station? I'm guessing no... I think I have to be renting so that others can place their BPO's in that NPC station from where I'm renting, right?
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.02.10 20:32:00 -
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POS labs never show up in the "public" lists.
you will want a station (NPC) in the same system as your POS (station tank the BPOs). In doing this you'll need either
a. scientific networking (you can install the job to the pos from station, or depending on skills up to anywhere in the region)
b. fly to the POS and use the right-click menu from the lab itself. Doesn't need Scientific Networking.
in either scenario, LABS AND BP MUST BE IN SAME SYSTEM.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.02.10 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jimmy Doe
More things you should know:
You will need to have a Corp standing equal to or higher than 10x the security status of the system you want to place the pos in. IE corp standing 5.0 to place in a 0.5 sec system (with that particular faction)
FYP 
other than that error, good stuff to keep in mind.
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LTC Vuvovich
E-ON Technologies
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Posted - 2011.02.11 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lutz Major
A POS in high-sec is only useful for doing research/invention. Nothing else.
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I disagree with this point. The advantages are exactly what you make of them and depend on the POS's intended purpose. For example...
In addition to BPO/BPC research, copying and some small bit of manufacturing, our POS also serves as a temporary NPC station.
This is extremely important for me as CEO of a mining corporation, as our POS is located in one of those huge asteroid fields with 20+ asteroid belts. The closest NPC station is two jumps away, to mine an area like this you NEED a POS and 2-3 Hangar Arrays for temporary storage of your ore.
Its amazing to watch all these other miners trying to compete with us, if they're using an Orca as both bonus giver and hauler...it will take them 2 jumps and 1 docking to drop-off the ore and 1 docking plus 2 stargates to return. (Obstensibily... thats 6 jumps) My team of 1 Orca and 3 Hulks will have cleaned out a belt before they return.
At the end of our mining op, we just use our freighter to empty each of the hangar arrays (9.8 Mil Veldspar) at a time.
So I would not say, the application of POS's in Empire space is an absolute waste of time or resource. 
Respectfully Yours
LTC Vuvovich
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market value
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:33:00 -
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I was told that you had to be in low sec to do t2 production. Is this the case or can you do it in high sec?
I have a high sec POS and would like to do t2 production.
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: market value
I was told that you had to be in low sec to do t2 production.
You were lied to.
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