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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.20 07:30:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Not even talking about all the obscurantism period where human civilisation and progression stagnated for over 850 years and science/arts were considered as devil art leading to the death of some brilliant individuals. Because the world is all about western civilization, amirite? Hint: learn about origins of Renaissance.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Religions no matter witch just just be completely abolished, they have no place and they will never be forgiveable for everything they did/still do in our days.
Only science should prevail. Religion and science do not intersect, technically. Same hint as above, you'd be surprized.
OT: Trying to use media to spread "messages" is natural thing to do ofc... Just don't get an art killed, mkay? |
Pipa Porto
816
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Posted - 2012.08.20 07:55:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Not even talking about all the obscurantism period where human civilisation and progression stagnated for over 850 years and science/arts were considered as devil art leading to the death of some brilliant individuals. Because the world is all about western civilization, amirite? Hint: learn about origins of Renaissance.
And what happened to those Great Centers for learning (and Great they were) in the 600 years since the dawn of the Renaissance? Now, Baghdad has the excuse of the Mongol's coming in to accidentally the civilization, but the rest, not so much.
Now, Lin-Young's analysis of the "Dark Ages," the amount of scientific study during them, and the causes for the period's decline are, well, wrong. The Early Middle Ages was Europe rebuilding civilization as they knew it after the Roman Empire (who had only been in control of Europe for half a millenia) shattered. It takes time to figure out how to run a continent after the guys who ran it for 500 years get ousted. The Renaissance came about after everybody had finally figured out how to make the wagons run on time, and could thus finally produce enough surplus to allow for a growing body of people who weren't working in the fields to feed themselves, and thus had time to do Science.*
Organized Religions all over the world have skeletons in their closets. Big, walk-in closets full of Skeletons. But the lack of Scientific achievement in Europe's so-called "Dark Ages" isn't one of them.
*This is grossly oversimplified (as any 4 sentence analysis of 1000 years of Human history must necessarily be), but it's a good bit closer than saying "The Butler Church Did It." EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
669
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:29:00 -
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Da church took meh science!!!!!!! I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
36
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:38:00 -
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Scientific discoveries during the dark ages haven't slowed down, as public perception would have it - in fact, it could be argued that they sped up, as society built upon roman advances, particularly in farming and smithing (for instance, roman gladius evolved into spatha which was refined by vikings and later transformed into arming sword, which in turn can be seen as the predecessor of the longsword). However, the collapse of Rome led to loss of much of greek knowledge, which took time to recover, while the fragmentation and deurbanization shifted public interests into new areas.
Ironically, it is thanks to monks of the Catholic church that much of the ancient knowledge was preserved, so that it could later have been used, when the public renewed interest in it. It's also somewhat ironic that the second great source of knowledge for the european reinvigoration came from "barbaric arabs", who likewise preserved and studied greek texts.
What would have happened if Rome survived and there was no christianity? It's hard to say - for the later part of its existence, Rome was plagued by civil wars and stagnation. It's unlikely that it would be any different from Byzantium - in other words, Europe may well be speaking arabic today, America might be discovered later or perhaps even by Chinese (who technically had better ships in 14th century and led many of the more important advances throughout the middle ages), etc. We'll never know. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
669
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Posted - 2012.08.20 08:55:00 -
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But there were no rail roads to build in america back then, why would they go there? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
75
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:04:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:"Liberals are constantly accusing Christians of being intolerant and self-righteous, but the most earnest Christian has never approached the preachy intolerance of a liberal who has just discovered a lit cigarette in a nonsmoking section." Studies have shown that second hand smoke can increase the chance of cancer. Studies about Christianity haven't really shown much of anything. Studies have shown that tanning beds, the sun, car exhaust, and according to California the brown stuff on slightly burnt fast food all cause cancer. If I avoided everything on earth that causes cancer I would never leave my house and play video games on my PC all day... |
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
63
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:10:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:"Liberals are constantly accusing Christians of being intolerant and self-righteous, but the most earnest Christian has never approached the preachy intolerance of a liberal who has just discovered a lit cigarette in a nonsmoking section." Studies have shown that second hand smoke can increase the chance of cancer. Studies about Christianity haven't really shown much of anything. Studies have shown that tanning beds, the sun, car exhaust, and according to California the brown stuff on slightly burnt fast food all cause cancer. If I avoided everything on earth that causes cancer I would never leave my house and play video games on my PC all day...
^^^ ... and that is a problem?
"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
382
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Posted - 2012.08.21 01:15:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Why is there an ash tray next to the bed? I think CCP is sending the wrong message.
A box of Kleenex I could understand. You are immortal so smoke up.
Catching lung cancer?
Jump clone hooo! Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Tiberius StarGazer
The GreyWolf Paradigm
5
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Posted - 2012.08.21 02:07:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:What would have happened if Rome survived and there was no christianity? It's hard to say - for the later part of its existence, Rome was plagued by civil wars and stagnation. It's unlikely that it would be any different from Byzantium - in other words, Europe may well be speaking arabic today, America might be discovered later or perhaps even by Chinese (who technically had better ships in 14th century and led many of the more important advances throughout the middle ages), etc. We'll never know.
Funny that, got back from Rome this evening, had a good old stroll round the Vatican Meuseum, the collection of artefacts from all over the world was unimaginably vast.
I stood in the same room that contained a statue of Hurculese that dated back over 2,000 years. Rooms that contained the baths of roman emperors, stood on mosaics that the anchient Greeks also walked on. Egyptian Sphinxes dating back 4,000 years or more.
All catalagued and preserved for two millennia by scholars of the church. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 02:27:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:My personal take on smoking is a pretty negative one. If smoking harmed you, and only you, I would have absolutely no trouble with it. You can do anything else you wish, no matter how addictive or deadly, and you wouldn't get a peep from me. The issue with smoking is...well...smoke, and its effects on others.
Case in point, in summer time when my neighbour two doors down gets on his front porch and starts smoking, I have to shut all the windows in my house because the prevalent wind carries the smoke RIGHT into my windows and all the front-facing rooms end up reeking of tobacco. He might very well end up killing me with second-hand smoke at some point. But since he's technically smoking on his property, there's f***all I can do to stop him. And being a pig, he refused to even consider it when I talked to him about it.
Beyond that, I really have no beef with smoking. In fact I think it should be tax-free and free coupons should be handed out to smokers. To speed things along, so to speak.
So OP I agree with you there. There's really no need for an ash tray in a game where you can't smoke anyway. Definitely sends the wrong message. Not sure if troll or incredibly liberal...if troll here you go... http://dagobah.net/flash/successful_troll_2.swf
Wait, I don't get it ... how does having a problem with people exercising their basic liberties make someone liberal?
Really, if you take a stance one way or the other (for or against public smoking,) you're not being liberal in the sense that you're attempting to prevent someone from having a liberty. To me, the word liberal suggests a quality of or predisposition towards allowing people to do whatever they want, whenever they want. Telling people they can't do something (anything, really) is the opposite of what the word liberal suggests to me.
Of course, nobody uses the word that way. Silly people. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
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Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
587
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:06:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:I stopped smoking about 5 months ago and this is seriously annoying me. I didn't realise CCP forced you to smoke in game On a more serious note, just turn of CQ if it annoys you that much
People do not understand jokes.
This seriously annoys me. |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1039
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:29:00 -
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op is a ***** lol |
Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
61
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:44:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:My personal take on smoking is a pretty negative one. If smoking harmed you, and only you, I would have absolutely no trouble with it. You can do anything else you wish, no matter how addictive or deadly, and you wouldn't get a peep from me. The issue with smoking is...well...smoke, and its effects on others.
Case in point, in summer time when my neighbour two doors down gets on his front porch and starts smoking, I have to shut all the windows in my house because the prevalent wind carries the smoke RIGHT into my windows and all the front-facing rooms end up reeking of tobacco. He might very well end up killing me with second-hand smoke at some point. But since he's technically smoking on his property, there's f***all I can do to stop him. And being a pig, he refused to even consider it when I talked to him about it. Beyond that, I really have no beef with smoking. In fact I think it should be tax-free and free coupons should be handed out to smokers. To speed things along, so to speak.
So OP I agree with you there. There's really no need for an ash tray in a game where you can't smoke anyway. Definitely sends the wrong message. He probably thinks you're as much of a whiny little ***** as the rest of us... |
Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:08:00 -
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The bigger problem is that I can't use boosters or other drugs in the CQ. CCP could turn tripping into a minigame or something...like the next ship spinning :O |
Gothikia
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:59:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:The bigger problem is that I can't use boosters or other drugs in the CQ. CCP could turn tripping into a minigame or something...like the next ship spinning :O
I HIGHLY APPROVE THIS MESSAGE <3 Gothie |
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