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Gastrocnemius
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:33:00 -
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Hello i was wondering what is highest tank ammount in EFT DPS is achievable by t2 cruisers of gallente. For doing l4,l5 missions, wormholes. etc.. just for PVE
with just tier2 mods.
Does anyone know
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rodensteiner
Amarr
Awesome Jacket Society
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:15:00 -
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Haven't personally flown one, but it is my understanding that the Ishtar excels at tanking for PVE.
You can either run dual rep and use and afterburner to maintain transversal, or you can run a passive shield tank.
Naturally, it'll do best against incoming damage of the right damage type, which should be kinetic/thermal.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:31:00 -
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Out of the tier 2 cruisers, it would have to be the Vexor. I'd imagine it's not a massive amount of DPS though, certainly not enough to tank L4/5 or WH.
Oh, do you mean Tech 2? 
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Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Templar Dane on 24/01/2011 21:32:19
Edited by: Templar Dane on 24/01/2011 21:31:32
 Originally by: Gastrocnemius
tier2
The term you're looking for is "tech 2", which is sometimes shortened to T2.
Tiers are something totally different.
For instance, tech 1 ships are divided into "tiers".
Dominix = tier 1
Megathron = tier 2
Hyperion = tier 3
Typically you get better raw stats the higher you go in the tiers, such that cruisers and frigs below tier 2-3 are complete rubbish. With ships, you can tell what tier it is by looking at the skill requirement. Tier = skill level required.
Turrets are often described by tier level...with blasters it's three tiers. Electrons, ions, neutrons. 1,2,3
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rodensteiner
Amarr
Awesome Jacket Society
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:02:00 -
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Sorry, I went ahead and assumed Tech 2 was meant since OP also stated fitting with *tier 2* mods. I kind of doubted he was aiming for a full meta 2 fit 
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 24/01/2011 22:35:06
Originally by: rodensteiner
Sorry, I went ahead and assumed Tech 2 was meant since OP also stated fitting with *tier 2* mods. I kind of doubted he was aiming for a full meta 2 fit
lol you are letting the eve community down by not trolling the **** out of the OP. 
Edit: to be constructive, Ishtar is an excellent PvE ship using sentries. I've used it for ratting, anoms, level 4s and complexes all very well. It may struggle with wormholes due to AI of sleepers - they shoot your drones.
Deimos on other hand is pretty rubbish for everything except ratting serpentis.
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Zdrahonul Gallentor
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:00:00 -
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This is what I fly:
[Ishtar, L4 Runner]
Federation Navy Medium Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
Shadow Serpentis 10MN Afterburner
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
Large Capacitor Battery II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Dual 150mm Railgun I, Uranium Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun I, Uranium Charge M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Replace faction mods with T2 mods if you wish.
Also replace hardeners and tanking mods to suit your mission.
Highest tank is well above 300, currently 327 DPS omni for the fit above (because I am lazy and don't change tanking mods often).
Of course, by "highest tank" you surely don't expect an answer. Tank depends on resists for specific damages. Against Guristas, I would say tank goes up a lot (66% Kin+33% Therm tanking is 922 cap stable!).
Bottom line: you can do pretty much all missions, all anomalies, all belts.
Plexing - not so much. I mean you CAN, but you need to be extra careful, some plexes out there deal 13K+ instantaneous Explosive damage - effectively vaporizing your explosive untanked Ishtar :)
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.24 23:12:00 -
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You can speed/sig/range tank a lot of the angel plexes with it, don't get fooled by stupid high DPS numbers at point blank(you will not sit there).
For L5 stuff you can get out 2.5k tanked vs Serpentis\Guristas\Caldari Navy, however it is quite expensive and requires a lot of skills to keep up the traversal up all the time in L5(including dogging 80% of the turret hits).
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xVx Mother
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Posted - 2011.01.25 05:07:00 -
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Best passive fit for an Ishtar is...
Low slots
5X Shield power relay II
Mid Slots
3X LSE II's
2X passive DG resistance amplifiers (DPS specific)
High Slots
1X civi rail (to pull aggro from groups)
1X drone like augment I
1X tractor beam I
1X salvager
Rigs
2X Medium Core Defence Field purgers
Drones
5X sentry
5X heavy
5X medium
5X light
(Damage specific to mission and T2 if skills allow)
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Zdrahonul Gallentor
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.01.25 10:33:00 -
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...more than doubling the sig size, therefore greatly reducing sentry drones fighting capabilities (you will have to orbit them or leave them behind), etc.
The above alternative is good for people who have specialized in shield tanking and have little or no armor tanking capabilities. Otherwise I wouldn't recommend it.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.01.25 10:58:00 -
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"Tier 2" vs "Tech 2" is a complete mine field, especially for new players.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.01.25 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Buzzmong
Out of the tier 2 cruisers, it would have to be the Vexor. I'd imagine it's not a massive amount of DPS though, certainly not enough to tank L4/5 or WH.
Oh, do you mean Tech 2?
To be fair, it's basically the same answer. The Ishtar is a Vexor with a bigger radio and T2 armor resists. I actually prefer the tech 1 version, since you're going to eventually die anyhow and there's a factor of 50 price difference.
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Domyn
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Posted - 2011.01.25 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Originally by: Buzzmong
Out of the tier 2 cruisers, it would have to be the Vexor. I'd imagine it's not a massive amount of DPS though, certainly not enough to tank L4/5 or WH.
Oh, do you mean Tech 2?
To be fair, it's basically the same answer. The Ishtar is a Vexor with a bigger radio and T2 armor resists. I actually prefer the tech 1 version, since you're going to eventually die anyhow and there's a factor of 50 price difference.
Troll.
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Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.26 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Originally by: Buzzmong
Out of the tier 2 cruisers, it would have to be the Vexor. I'd imagine it's not a massive amount of DPS though, certainly not enough to tank L4/5 or WH.
Oh, do you mean Tech 2?
To be fair, it's basically the same answer. The Ishtar is a Vexor with a bigger radio and T2 armor resists. I actually prefer the tech 1 version, since you're going to eventually die anyhow and there's a factor of 50 price difference.
To be fair, I wish you'd stop posting.
To dispel the misinformation, the Ishtar can field a full complement of heavy or sentry drones, has a larger drone bay (dependent on HAC skill it can exceed the dronebay size of the Dominix... nonsensical but cool) and has a wicked kinetic tank vs. the tech1 vexor.
The Vexor can put out some pretty extreme damage with maxed out skills, is extremely flexible and mostly will eat any frigate it catches alive.
The Ishtar will crap all over Lvl4 and many nullsec/lowsec exploration sites with alarming alacrity. It only costs 110mil which is less than a Hyperion/Abaddon, is more maneouverable and can nearly put up a BS tank with a reasonable fit. It is an awesome, awesome ship and is one of the few Gallente vessels left worth training for.
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superteds
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:30:00 -
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ishtar setup to tank guristas can get in the region of 1.5k dps on T2 mods.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Target Painter on 26/01/2011 11:31:02
Edited by: Target Painter on 26/01/2011 11:30:15
Originally by: Lost Greybeard
The Ishtar is a Vexor with a bigger radio and T2 armor resists.
This is the intelligent part of your post.
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I actually prefer the tech 1 version, since you're going to eventually die anyhow and there's a factor of 50 price difference.
There are a number of situations where the Ishtar is effective, as opposed to flailing about before DIAFing in a Vexor. Level 4 missions are one of them.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.01.26 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ogogov
To dispel the misinformation, the Ishtar can field a full complement of heavy or sentry drones, has a larger drone bay (dependent on HAC skill it can exceed the dronebay size of the Dominix... nonsensical but cool) and has a wicked kinetic tank vs. the tech1 vexor.
To redispel further misinformation, the Ishtar at HAC 5 gets the same drone bay as the Dominix. Among subcaps only the Navy Domi, Gila, and Rattlesnake get over the 375m3 mark of the vanilla Domi and the max skilled Ishtar.
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