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Borokul	Posted - 2011.01.25 07:27:00 - [1] Just another post from a previously dedicated P.I. player. Well done CCP for completly f***ing up my enjoyment of the game. PI is worse now than the clickfest it was before - more clicking, routes not working correctly, less produce for more time spent. I don't mind a bit of extra time spent however these "enhancements" are not. You are slowly squeezing the life out of your once great game.LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.01.25 08:05:00 - [2] Edited by: Umega on 25/01/2011 08:07:07 Yeah, CCP! Listen to your customers!! Thank you for the new PI system. I like it, for varies different reasons over the old one. Fix the bugs.. it'll be even better. k? Thanks again, CCP. Keep up the good work and effort that you guys Do put into this game I enjoy playing. I'm sure a personal best online player record is right around the corner, again. EDIT: EDIT reply before eventual 'dev alt' quote from angry bot users. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Flesh Slurper Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.25 09:15:00 - [3] I actually like the new PI interface a lot better. It is much more flexible than the old one. My only gripes are that the ECU itself costs so much grid and the routing calculations are messed up.
Aelisha Gallente Nisaba Syndicate NISYN Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.25 09:51:00 - [4] Posting to confirm new PI is much better than old PI, only needs a bit of polish. Borokul, learn to adapt. Tl;Dr -> HTFU or GTFO New banner soon!
Minamel Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.25 09:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Flesh Slurper I actually like the new PI interface a lot better. It is much more flexible than the old one. My only gripes are that the ECU itself costs so much grid and the routing calculations are messed up. This!
Mirac Factar Gallente Hypergolic	Posted - 2011.01.25 10:22:00 - [6] Indeed, thanks CCP for the changes, only a few more bug fixes and it'll be even better! Keep ECUs the same as they are, i'm making more money now that I was pre-patch! This just in, the energizer bunny has been arrested and charged with battery.
Fu Young	Posted - 2011.01.25 10:23:00 - [7] adapt or die also please quit pi so price will continue to remain high. or quit eve can i has your stuff?
Kasugano	Posted - 2011.01.25 13:09:00 - [8] adapting is good. my planets are doing great, better in fact. i need to spend much less time screwing with the planets each day. i find the PI to be much better then the old system.
ClimberDave	Posted - 2011.01.25 13:14:00 - [9] I'm a 100% sure that there is a hell of alot less clicking involved on the new PI. Whereas before I need to click about 40-50 times to set another cycle going now I can do it in about 20 or less.
lushn	Posted - 2011.01.25 14:28:00 - [10] New PI is total Failure. Everybody talkin that its better when u produce P1, I said lets give a shot. There was a Gas planet I used to make oxygen before new Patch. I was usin 96 hrs cycles. With 7 basic processor and all extractor ( must be 15-17) in less than 96 hours. It used to be filled with Noble gas and 7 processor couldnt catch up convert oxygen into gas real time. Center was sittin hottest spot on planet. Usually it was full before 96hrs. With New system I deleted 2 processor and left only 5 processor. I added two ECU one with 10 heads and two heads for second with powerGrid left. I set it 3 days cycle and left. One day later I came to check out I couldnt believe What I saw. its only 1/5 -1/6 filled. There was no excess noble bas. 5 processor are processing easly even waiting idle for extractors. I checked surway map and large protion of big white circle on planet disappered. I dont mention hot but there was no any extractable area in range of extractors. When peole who using short cycles before complains, they accused with being botter. When people who makin P3 P4 production on single planet before, they scolded and told to adapt But this system doesnt help long cycle P1 production either. Then who the hell this system made for?

Greg Huff	Posted - 2011.01.25 14:32:00 - [11] Originally by: lushn New PI is total Failure. ...blah blah blah... Your detailed reply only confirms that the new PI is not a total failure, but rather a success ... A success in making you work harder for your isk, and removing the blind isk printing ability from PI.
Durnin Stormbrow	Posted - 2011.01.25 14:37:00 - [12] Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 25/01/2011 14:41:49 Originally by: Umega Yeah, CCP! Listen to your customers!! Thank you for the new PI system. I like it, for varies different reasons over the old one. Fix the bugs.. it'll be even better. k? Thanks again, CCP. Keep up the good work and effort that you guys Do put into this game I enjoy playing. I'm sure a personal best online player record is right around the corner, again. This. The new PI is a mindful minigame vs a mindless clickfest. If the profits per hour spent aren't up to peoples standards, it's because they're expecting too much from something that anyone can do with very little investment of isk & skills.
tekant	Posted - 2011.01.25 14:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Greg Huff Your detailed reply only confirms that the new PI is not a total failure, but rather a success ... blah blah blah..... I think you have difficulties with understanding long posts. What guys said and what you talkin about?
SENTIENEL	Posted - 2011.01.25 14:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Greg Huff Your detailed reply only confirms that the new PI is not a total failure, but rather a success ... A success in making you work harder for your isk, and removing the blind isk printing ability from PI. SO ONLY PURPOSE OF NEW SYSTEM MAKIN ISK HARDER THAN BEFORE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY? THIS IS A GAME. ITS ONLY PURPOSE IS ENTERTAIN. iF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THEM IT DOESNT SERVE TO ITS OWN PURPOSE
Greg Huff	Posted - 2011.01.25 15:12:00 - [15] Edited by: Greg Huff on 25/01/2011 15:16:41 Originally by: SENTIENEL SO ONLY PURPOSE OF NEW SYSTEM MAKIN ISK HARDER THAN BEFORE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY? THIS IS A GAME. ITS ONLY PURPOSE IS ENTERTAIN. iF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THEM IT DOESNT SERVE TO ITS OWN PURPOSE Your lack of intellect is showing . Nowhere in my post did I make any statement that the only purpose of the changes was to make ("MAKIN"?? what is that?) isk harder. In fact, I never claimed it to be an intended purpose at all. I'm happy in considering just as being a result. Am I 100% happy with the changes? Nope. Am I 100% sick of all the babies whining, crying, kicking, and screaming thinking that's a better way to deal with something they don't like instead of having rational, calm discussions about it and trying to understand the nuances of the new system? You bet'cha. Originally by: tekant Originally by: Greg Huff Your detailed reply only confirms that the new PI is not a total failure, but rather a success ... blah blah blah..... I think you have difficulties with understanding long posts.... I understand long posts just fine... as long as they're worth reading. Starting a post with "PI is a total failure" immediately disqualifies said post from being a worthwhile read. Especially after nearly a week of seeing the same tears poured out onto the forum thread after thread. Also take note that the poster never presented any extraction rates (pre-installation or post), nor what his current skill levels are. Judgement: Failed math skills.
Dirk Smacker United Space Marine Corp	Posted - 2011.01.25 15:20:00 - [16] I've relied on PI for my primary means of income since June. I welcome the changes that make it more about strategy and less about rearranging my life in order to log in every 5 hours. You actually have to worry about resource conservation instead of everyone on a planet piling extractors onto the best spot without consequence. I saw the changes and moved a few of my PI alts from an overused, but safe, 0.3 system to a POS in a fairly dangerous 0.2 system without an npc station in it. My gaming experience is much more enjoyable as a result.
Verkala Ven	Posted - 2011.01.25 18:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow The new PI is a mindful minigame vs a mindless clickfest. No, it's not. If the information you were presented made any sense at all, it might qualify as a minigame. That's kinda the requirement of games - the game shows you something, you use the available information to make a decision, and do the best you can. Well, that could describe work, too, but MMOs often blur the lines. But the information presented makes no sense. I was restarting extractors today, 12 hour extraction plans. I put a head in a dead area - it was showing about 50 or so for the value. My total extraction for the first cycle was about 14,000 units. I moved that head to the middle of a hotspot, where I had no other heads. Its value went from 50 to about 220. My total extraction for the first cycle dropped to 11,000 units. Can anyone explain that? The concepts are good. The workload balance is good. But until they make it so that you can actually DECIDE something, rather than simply moving pins around randomly and watching what the graph does, it's not a game.
Biirk	Posted - 2011.01.25 19:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Biirk on 25/01/2011 19:36:34 P.I. is generally better now. (other than the bugs that are presumably temporay) The biggest difference is the transition from the meaningless repetitive clicks. To the now 'meaningfull' resource chasing. Survey skills have become valuable. 10,000 trial account, macro alts, are descouraged. 'Win' I doubt its really any less time consuming. But its a 'game' now not a voluntary 'assembly line' job. We still have the meaningless tedium of destroying and recreating our structures instead of moving them. And I guess we do have a greater need for that than we did before. ,, But, um,, maby they will do somthing about that. [,,. Quote: ("MAKIN"?? what is that?) Walkin, Talkin, Man. Makin the retents cope. .,,] _______ (Halp, Halp!!! the character fiznick turned me into a colored person!) All Our Base Are Belong To Them
Suicidal JoJo	Posted - 2011.01.26 03:02:00 - [19] Agree with Op. New Pi is crap. While its slightly more fun moving the heads around and extracting, the fact that the yields were so heavily nerfed negates it. Making people sink weeks / months into training more skills to just get accurate survey results is ******ed. Unnerf PI in 2012!
Chong Woon	Posted - 2011.01.26 03:31:00 - [20] Personally I'm starting to like the new PI changes up from indifferent a week ago. Currently changed how my colonies are set up to maintain my pre-patch and I do enjoy testing various set up to increase efficiency for my play style and if less people are able to adapt to the changes more isk for me

Wynsdae Minmatar Republic Security Section 9	Posted - 2011.01.26 03:33:00 - [21] I like the new PI system better than the old one Watching future production amounts down the program length and planning for them, while also moving extraction heads, and sometimes the entire ECU when required is better then spending time clicking the same bajillion extractors over and over. Less brain dead actvity. For those that dislike it: stop production then. I will not mind getting your share of the market. We won't miss your bots either.
Chelone Junkyard Gunners	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Umega Yeah, CCP! Listen to your customers!! BUT BAN YOUR TROLLS, LIKE UMEGA!!! Fixed it for you.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: Umega Yeah, CCP! Listen to your customers!! BUT BAN YOUR TROLLS, LIKE UMEGA!!! Fixed it for you. So.. anyone that doesn't take your side and believe your opinion is the right one, is a troll? Damn.. runnin' outta boy's souls I bet, if you keep on payin' the troll toll. And here I thought it was just people that would make comments, any comment.. that would spark conflict, reguardless of what they actually believe behind the screen. Congrats on your response. What happened to the witty trolls anyway? These forums suck when it comes to producing trolls with anything remotely constructive and entertaining in their little prods n pokes lately. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please.
Euporie	Posted - 2011.01.26 08:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Biirk Edited by: Biirk on 25/01/2011 19:36:34 10,000 trial account, macro alts, are descouraged. All except 1 of the skills needed for PI can't be trained on trial accounts. So your point that there are 10k trial accounts that use PI in a way that may have impact on the market fails. I'm pretty sure the macro guys don't care, because the macro will evolve to keep up with the new system. And you end up with regular players being hit...


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