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Reactive Two	Posted - 2011.01.25 11:42:00 - [1] Hello, which skill would be more useful for a member of small to middle sized PvP corporation? The corp. is very often at war, living in 0.0 and its territory is attacked a lot. Battlecruiser V or Amarr Cruiser V
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.01.25 11:46:00 - [2] Battlecruiser V if you fly BC a lot and want to move on to Command Ships. Cruiser V in any other case (HACs, Recons, Logistics, all useful).
Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.01.25 12:51:00 - [3] Depends on your other skills tbh, if you have all your gunnery/drone/missiles & support skills up to decent levels then cruiser V opens up T2 & T3 ships, but you need the skills to make them worth flying, especially for PVP - HACs need good fitting skills for the best fits, logistics need remote rep skills, heavy dictors need bubble skills etc. If your gunnery/drones/missile & support skills aren't making the most of these more expensive ships then battlecruisers are far more viable for PVP, cheaper, insureable, better EHP, easy to fit, plus if you like to crosstrain - with BC V you need minimal other ship skills to get into other races BCs and still be able to fly them effectively.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.01.25 13:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Estel Arador Battlecruiser V if you fly BC a lot and want to move on to Command Ships. Cruiser V in any other case (HACs, Recons, Logistics, all useful). For Command Ships you also need racial cruiser V. I'd say Racial cruiser V as it opens up a lot more ships (T2 and T3 cruisers); BC V only improves the effectivity of your battlecruisers. "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"
Crimson Dahlia	Posted - 2011.01.25 17:20:00 - [5] Without a doubt Cruiser V. It opens up far more ship-types than Battlecruiser V. Hacs, Recons, Needed for Logis, Strat Cruisers, Needed for Hics, etc. Racial Cruiser V, imo, is one of the first high ranking Vs any character should aim for.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.01.25 18:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Cathy Drall For Command Ships you also need racial cruiser V. Now I feel stupid I guess one of the disadvantages of having pretty much everything trained is forgetting what ship/module needs which skills.
Chakarr Minmatar Anarchistic Carebears Bloodbound.	Posted - 2011.01.26 03:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Crimson Dahlia Racial Cruiser V, imo, is one of the first high ranking Vs any character should aim for. Yeah, tbh I trained cruiser V before I trained BC V...but now I am glad of both
James Tiberius Kirk	Posted - 2011.01.26 10:32:00 - [8] Cruiser V all the way. BC V should only be trained first if you or your corp got a drake fetish.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2011.01.26 14:58:00 - [9] I'd offer a variation on Chakarr's post. Since the options are specifically Amarr Cruiser 5 and BC 5 it depends what you want to train in the future. If you'd prefer to pick up drones (and Recon 5), Cruiser 5 hands down. If you want to snipe with lasers, Cruiser 5 and HAC 4. If you want to fly logistics even a little bit, Amarr Cruiser 5 and Logistics 5 ASAP. If you want to fly a HIC... well, get a Broadsword? And if you're looking at T3s, the Legion is meh. However, if you want a laser brawler, an argument could be made for either: Cruiser for the ONI and BC for the Harbi. If you have any inclination towards missiles you'd be better off with BC 5 and crosstraining to the Drake rather than trying to make the Sac work for you even though that means training shield skills. If you have any inclination to crosstrain, for the love of god get BC 5; it's the single best skill in the game to maximize effectiveness of multiple races. Or you can look at it another way. If you're willing to shell out for T2 hulls, Amarr Cruiser 5 is more worthwhile. If you're not, Amarr Cruiser 5 alone really only helps you with the Arbitrator and the ONI -- and the latter isn't entirely cheap. But BC 5 lets you go nuts in a Harb and opens up some of the other best ships in the game if you want to crosstrain. Also, flying space chicken ftw.
Keiko Shizuka	Posted - 2011.01.28 23:54:00 - [10] BCs are good in PvP and a lot cheaper to replace than T2 cruisers, so if all you seek is something to shoot stuff with, a BC might be just the right thing for you. Racial Cruiser V does open up more shiptypes though. You should probably get both in the end anyway.

I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.29 01:00:00 - [11] You got isk to pvp in faction cruisers and t2 cruisers? Your corporation have a ship reimbursement program which reimburses those loses? If no, then just train BC 5. Cruiser 5 is better to have, but generally more expensive to utilize.
Karl Reese Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.29 01:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Karl Reese on 29/01/2011 01:30:24 Usually the guy that can fly and afford recons is more useful in a small-mid size PVP corp. If everybody fights over who gets to fly the curse/rook/whatever in your corp, just go BC V and fly a BC for DPS. EDIT: Oh and I should say that if you mean you run fleets so small that sometimes you have 0 BCs, definitely train BC V and get in a non-gallente BC.
I likegirls Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 06:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Karl Reese Edited by: Karl Reese on 29/01/2011 01:30:24 Usually the guy that can fly and afford recons is more useful in a small-mid size PVP corp. If everybody fights over who gets to fly the curse/rook/whatever in your corp, just go BC V and fly a BC for DPS. EDIT: Oh and I should say that if you mean you run fleets so small that sometimes you have 0 BCs, definitely train BC V and get in a non-gallente BC. Gallente BC's can be very powerful if used correctly. Brutix puts out the most dps out of all BCs, and the Myrm is known for having an awesome armor tank ran off of cap boosters.
Idicious Lightbane Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.01 12:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 01/02/2011 12:45:14 Originally by: I likegirls Originally by: Karl Reese Edited by: Karl Reese on 29/01/2011 01:30:24 Usually the guy that can fly and afford recons is more useful in a small-mid size PVP corp. If everybody fights over who gets to fly the curse/rook/whatever in your corp, just go BC V and fly a BC for DPS. EDIT: Oh and I should say that if you mean you run fleets so small that sometimes you have 0 BCs, definitely train BC V and get in a non-gallente BC. Gallente BC's can be very powerful if used correctly. Brutix puts out the most dps out of all BCs, and the Myrm is known for having an awesome armor tank ran off of cap boosters. Brutix = land on enemy's at 0, land top DPS on first primary, then spend the rest of the fight MWD'ing to the next and not aplying even close to your theoretical paper DPS. Myrm is awsome but mainly in solo/small gang situations, active tank doesn't work well when fighting 10 or more, you will just be alpha'd down before your reps cycle because you have so little buffer.
Tiffis	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:10:00 - [15] Train both. I would prolly do Cruiser V first though.
Shoa Jinn	Posted - 2011.02.03 00:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Idicious Lightbane Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 01/02/2011 12:45:14 Brutix = land on enemy's at 0, land top DPS on first primary, then spend the rest of the fight MWD'ing to the next and not aplying even close to your theoretical paper DPS. Myrm is awsome but mainly in solo/small gang situations, active tank doesn't work well when fighting 10 or more, you will just be alpha'd down before your reps cycle because you have so little buffer. Brutix always struck me as a shock vessel. land a few right on top of say a logistics chain, wreck em, and warp out for next target while main group keeps everyone else busy. anyway, cruiser V first.
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.02.03 06:15:00 - [17] if you got the isk for hacs to lose....cruiser 5 first. If losing bc's has you looking at the wallet worried, BC 5. Also how often would you be on hac roams and such? Are fleet ops more geared to bc/bs/cap ships? Hac won't get turned away most place I have been...but if blobbing it I'd take a bc for oost (lag monster likes to eat up expensive ships that rely more on speed than tank lol). Also, it don't help to pick but many faction cruisers make very passable substitutes for hacs if you want to go on the roams if you went bc 5 first.


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