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Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42 I have a question for the lawyers that play this game. In the United States it is unlawfal (felony) to allow a minor to gamble. Now if these Eve gambling sites are allowing minors to gamble for ISK which can be used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful? What is your opinion of this before I send this very question to the State's AG office.
HostageTaker Gallente Band of Freelancers Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Miny McFly Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42 I have a question for the lawyers that play this game. In the United States it is unlawfal (felony) to allow a minor to gamble. Now if these Eve gambling sites are allowing minors to gamble for ISK which can be used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful? What is your opinion of this before I send this very question to the State's AG office. You need to get laid. 0/10
sue denim	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Miny McFly Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42 I have a question for the lawyers that play this game. In the United States it is unlawfal (felony) to allow a minor to gamble. Now if these Eve gambling sites are allowing minors to gamble for ISK which can be used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful? What is your opinion of this before I send this very question to the State's AG office. Plex actually have no real life value, they belong to CCP.
Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:34:00 - [4] A plex has value. It can be used to purchase a monthly subscription to Eve online which is $14.95, or 2 plexes can be used to purchase a character transfer which $20.00. The point being is that ISK convert to plexes can be used to purchase real life services. Just like ISK can be used to purchase web hosting, killboards, etc. which have a real value. My point is if you are a minor and a site allows you to gamble it is unlawful in the United States.
Major Snitch	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:35:00 - [5] Fail sir .........not even a trollable subject fail ........ read your Licence agreement..........here a taste for you.................. C. Children i. Responsibility for Account Minor children may not establish an Account without the consent of a parent or guardian. If the user of EVE is a minor, a parent or guardian must complete the registration process to establish an Account, in which case the parent or guardian takes full responsibility for all obligations under the EULA and for all activities of the child using the Account. If you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account). If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA. ii. Game Rating EVE has a "TEEN" rating. Parents may find it inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen (13). CCP has established Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct. Nonetheless, it is possible that at any time there may be language or other material accessible on or through the System that you may consider inappropriate for children or that may be offensive to some users of any age. You acknowledge that other players may transmit communications or content, or access to content, that you may consider inappropriate or objectionable. CCP does not, as a matter of policy, prescreen the communications or content transmitted by each player and is in no way responsible for the communications and content transmitted by players of the Game.
Yesyu	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Miny McFly Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42 . . . used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful? What is your opinion of this before I send this very question to the State's AG office. So, playing eve is real life. Glad we cleared that up. Have fun following thorugh on your frightening threat to present this issue to your state's AG office. An office which you appear to think has so little work of importance (irl) that it will want to prosecute your whiney complaint.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Spire Collective	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:47:00 - [7] Not really aware of these, but most gambling sites are not on US Soil, most have their servers in a country that is fairly liberal towards gambling, so any lawsuit filed in the United States is likely not to have any real effect on their operation. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
Mikalya Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Miny McFly Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42 I have a question for the lawyers that play this game. In the United States it is unlawfal (felony) to allow a minor to gamble. Now if these Eve gambling sites are allowing minors to gamble for ISK which can be used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful? What is your opinion of this before I send this very question to the State's AG office. So...... You are saying that in your opinion CCP is legally required to ban any account which has a minor playing that gambles in game. -------------------------------------------- Once upon a time I was a carebear. I am no more. And being no more I am not bound by the laws of a gentler society.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Miny McFly A plex has value. It can be used to purchase a monthly subscription to Eve online which is $14.95, or 2 plexes can be used to purchase a character transfer which $20.00. The point being is that ISK convert to plexes can be used to purchase real life services. Just like ISK can be used to purchase web hosting, killboards, etc. which have a real value. My point is if you are a minor and a site allows you to gamble it is unlawful in the United States. I can setup a lemonade store that trades rocks for lemonade. That doesn't give rocks value.
Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:00:00 - [10] What I am saying is that a individual that allows a minor to gamble on their website is committing a felony.

Fluff McFluff	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:01:00 - [11] Edited by: Fluff McFluff on 27/01/2011 05:02:06 PLEX that are ingame have already been purchesed by someone. Therefore the PLEX you see ingame, is an ingame item bought with play money.
Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:06:00 - [12] If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA. My point. You can get an account if you are 13 years old. A thirteen old in the United States is a minor. The EULA is not greater than the rule of law.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Spire Collective	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Miny McFly What I am saying is that a individual that allows a minor to gamble on their website is committing a felony. So the parents should be arrested for their minor child gambling, unless you can successfully challenge that portion of the EULA and TOS. While there are holes probably in EULA that could be successfully challenged, the portion about a parent being legally responsible for the actions of their minors is not one of those sections. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Fluff McFluff Edited by: Fluff McFluff on 27/01/2011 05:02:06 PLEX that are ingame have already been purchesed by someone. Therefore the PLEX you see ingame, is an ingame item bought with play money. So a plex being redeemed for a one month subscription has no value. That one month subscription cost $14.95 in the United States.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:15:00 - [15] I don't always derp, but when I do, I herp a derp. Your e-stuff, CCP can and does has it. Originally by: EULA Section 11 B Rights to Certain Content You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved. Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain personal information in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever. You hereby irrevocably and without additional consideration beyond the rights granted to you herein, assign to CCP any and all right, title and interest you have, including copyrights, in or to any and all information you exchange, transmit or upload to the System or while playing the Game, including without limitation all files, data and information comprising or manifesting corporations, groups, titles, characters and other attributes of your Account, together with all objects and items acquired or developed by, or delivered by or to characters, in your Account. To the extent that any such rights are not assignable, you hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sublicensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of such information, in any medium now known or hereafter developed. The foregoing assignment and license in this paragraph shall not include User Content (defined below). Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:15:00 - [16] Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail.
Valeronx Celestial Horizon Corp. Fallen Angels Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Miny McFly Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail. Not even close to the truth, or even realistic. fail troll gets 0/10. .
Shaampoo	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Shaampoo on 27/01/2011 05:18:53 Do you get to Claim Tax on said ISK/PLEX ?
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Spire Collective	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Miny McFly Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail. Considering CCP doesn't own the Eve Online Poker site your wasting the AGs time. If you have a problem with that site, take it up with them. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. -Mitnal
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:21:00 - [20] I could've sworn I saw this exact thread a few months ago. Except it was a limey posting instead of yank. Meh, trolls trolling trolls. Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.

Haaranovor tenn Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Miny McFly Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail. People have both trolled, and tried this. They don't post again, so either they get laughed into seclusion, or (my personal theory) the governments secret "Darwin" program eliminates them. "There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:23:00 - [22] Gambling in the US is illegal if it's not in a licensed casino, but people do it anyway because meh Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:23:00 - [23] You cannot take a plex out of game and sell it, it is an electronic item that stays in game permanently.
DjLowballer Amarr Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:26:00 - [24] It is actually legal to gamble for trinkets and worthless prizes regardless of age. It is why you see "kids casino" events at community centers and charity casino nights where people gamble with tokens. There is no difference from redeeming your isk for a plex and somebody playing the games of chance in an arcade and turning in tickets for a teddy bear. Just because something has real world value does not make it the same as cash.
Saint Lazarus Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:38:00 - [25] Whuts with American laws about Gambling, whys it illegal to place a bet?! slight insanity Also OP quit ignoring the fact you dont own anything in EvE, CCP does, makes your entire argument redundant. ----------------- My EvE Comic
Miny McFly	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:41:00 - [26] Originally by: DjLowballer It is actually legal to gamble for trinkets and worthless prizes regardless of age. It is why you see "kids casino" events at community centers and charity casino nights where people gamble with tokens. There is no difference from redeeming your isk for a plex and somebody playing the games of chance in an arcade and turning in tickets for a teddy bear. Just because something has real world value does not make it the same as cash. There are laws that cover games of chance like the ring toss at the county fair. There are laws that cover texas holdem poker which is a game you would find in a casino. Society views a minor tossing a ring and winning a cane differently from a minor playing texas holdem poker online. Those charity events are run by licensed charities. An adult can do as he pleases in reference to gambling. Today a minor is playing texas holdem poker for ISK and possibly winning a billion ISK to purchase what ever. Becomes addicted and tomorrow blows his life savings. See the evil.
Haaranovor tenn Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Miny McFly Originally by: DjLowballer It is actually legal to gamble for trinkets and worthless prizes regardless of age. It is why you see "kids casino" events at community centers and charity casino nights where people gamble with tokens. There is no difference from redeeming your isk for a plex and somebody playing the games of chance in an arcade and turning in tickets for a teddy bear. Just because something has real world value does not make it the same as cash. There are laws that cover games of chance like the ring toss at the county fair. There are laws that cover texas holdem poker which is a game you would find in a casino. Society views a minor tossing a ring and winning a cane differently from a minor playing texas holdem poker online. Those charity events are run by licensed charities. An adult can do as he pleases in reference to gambling. Today a minor is playing texas holdem poker for ISK and possibly winning a billion ISK to purchase what ever. Becomes addicted and tomorrow blows his life savings. See the evil. Ah, so you're an idealist. Nothing to see here folks. "There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I like to think I walk that line everyday of my life."
Shaampoo	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Miny McFly Originally by: DjLowballer It is actually legal to gamble for trinkets and worthless prizes regardless of age. It is why you see "kids casino" events at community centers and charity casino nights where people gamble with tokens. There is no difference from redeeming your isk for a plex and somebody playing the games of chance in an arcade and turning in tickets for a teddy bear. Just because something has real world value does not make it the same as cash. There are laws that cover games of chance like the ring toss at the county fair. There are laws that cover texas holdem poker which is a game you would find in a casino. Society views a minor tossing a ring and winning a cane differently from a minor playing texas holdem poker online. Those charity events are run by licensed charities. An adult can do as he pleases in reference to gambling. Today a minor is playing texas holdem poker for ISK and possibly winning a billion ISK to purchase what ever. Becomes addicted and tomorrow blows his life savings. See the evil. Sounds like the parents need to look after their kids a wee bit better then and not ccp
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:50:00 - [29] too be gambling it has to have money involved, a plex, ship, isk, anything in eve is a "prize" like putting a token into a claw machine to get a toy. if you put a quarter in to try and get more quarters its gambling and illegal. Its not illegal, not to mention CCP and the servers are not in the USA they are in iceland and london respectively
Mina Hiragi Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.01.27 05:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Miny McFly I should have the AG answer tomorrow. Never dealt with an AG office before, have you?



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