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Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:53:00 -
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The EULA and TOS prohibit taking your won ISK and turning it into IRL money. Provided you abide by the EULA and TOS, it does not fall under the definition of gambling you are talking about, because you cannot acquire tangible winnings.
Of course, should you chose to take your won isk, and sell it on ebay, then CCP will ban your account, which means you can no longer gamble.
In synopsis, from the point of view of a court of law, when you buy plex, it gains you a non-existent item. They don't care if its a currency that only has value in a specific game, or a sword that only drops on in every thousand boss kills, whatever. Doesn't matter. Nor do they care if, in the context of the game, you can gamble it. What they care about is if you can risk your IRL money to try and earn more IRL money, which you can't within the terms of service.
Thus, from the point of view of the courts, buying a PLEX and using it to gamble in-game currency for more in-game currency is no different to buying a pack of pokemon cards. Either way, money goes in, but does not come out. Its a purchase, nothing more.
Unlucky for you.
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ihavenosocks
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Posted - 2011.01.27 06:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Miny McFly
Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42
I have a question for the lawyers that play this game. In the United States it is unlawfal (felony) to allow a minor to gamble. Now if these Eve gambling sites are allowing minors to gamble for ISK which can be used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful? What is your opinion of this before I send this very question to the State's AG office.
Does that mean you would have to report any amount of isk you earn ingame as income on your taxes since isk can be used to purchase plex and plex have value?
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Takashi X2
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Posted - 2011.01.27 07:27:00 -
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Lolz.. Just lolz..
EoH im pretty sure also has a Eula saying that you are within your legal right to use such progrma (im pretty sure its a mavens thing) and with that being said even IF it were someone considered illegal to gamble with isk (which it isnt because you are playing with fake internet spaceship monies which have no real value) you wouldnt be able to do anythign anyway as you click i agree to terms and conditions saying you were of age among other things.
In cases like this the worst that would happen is that EoH would be shut down (saying everything goes sideways and no one cares for the law anymore) and people would be reimbursed at the value of thier items (which is 0 because no one playing lost anything of thier own)
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.27 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Miny McFly
I should have the AG answer tomorrow.
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.27 07:31:00 -
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ITT: The OP thinks the U.S. is the center of the World.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Exordium8
Minmatar
Universal Independence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.27 07:59:00 -
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It's like someone took the PLEX have RL value argument and wrapped a new layer of stupidity around it. The sad thing is, there are Americans this idiotic. They give the 5% (maybe a little generous) of the population who actually have an IQ higher than room temperature a bad rep.
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Nykky Syxx
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:08:00 -
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I for one am looking forward to the AG's answer. Please don't give up on this thread OP, I'm really looking forward to what they say. We will see a response tomorrow right? You're not going to give up on this thread right OP? You possess the cajones (assuming they've dropped)?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Miny McFly
Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail.
Is that you, Michael Zign ?!?
Did you get banned for your own stupidity just before New Year's Eve and are now back claiming to be an USian ?
Or are you just another moron like that guy ?
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Gavriel Black
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gavriel Black on 27/01/2011 08:35:29
Originally by: Miny McFly
Edited by: Miny McFly on 27/01/2011 04:24:42
Now if these Eve gambling sites are allowing minors to gamble for ISK which can be used to purchase a plex which does have a real life value, is this unlawful?
You have answered your own question here. PLEXs have no real life monetary value within the game. Once you have purchased it on the website, it becomes an in game digital item that remains the property of CCP no matter what. The only reason Second Life ran in to a law suit because of this is because monetary transactions work two ways in that "game". In EVE, they do not.
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Lutz Major
Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Miny McFly
Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail.
If you cannot even distinct the fact that EOH is run by a private person and not by CCP, you need more than a lawyer. Brain cells would be a good start...
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:42:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
Spitfire
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Moar Dakka
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Haaranovor tenn
Originally by: Miny McFly
See the evil.
Ah, so you're an idealist fundangelical busybody.
Nothing to see here folks.
Fixed that for you.
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waltari
Caldari
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:46:00 -
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whoever made this topic should look for medical (read psychiatric) help as soon as possible ... just saying
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Yarton Killmore
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:10:00 -
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I still dont get this,
why is it soo hard for some people to grasp that anything within the game has no RL value....
no matter how many years you put into this game no matter how much ingame wealth and assets you aquire...
you never own any of it... ever
It is just a game people! enjoy it!
and on a side note, who popped this guys Hulk to get him all angry?? come on who was it???
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:13:00 -
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I'm gonna go with that all in-game assets belong to CCP, so any 'gambling' is pretend. No real $ or actual currency are involved, it's not real gambling. If there was a chance of getting $ out of it, then yes, it's gambling and should require age verification to take part.
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Baneken
Gallente
School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Whuts with American laws about Gambling, whys it illegal to place a bet?! slight insanity
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Money laundering, all too easy in a horse race or other sports event where lots of cash exchanges hands.
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Fluff McFluff
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Fluff McFluff on 27/01/2011 12:33:32
Originally by: Miny McFly
Originally by: Fluff McFluff
Edited by: Fluff McFluff on 27/01/2011 05:02:06
PLEX that are ingame have already been purchesed by someone. Therefore the PLEX you see ingame, is an ingame item bought with play money.
So a plex being redeemed for a one month subscription has no value. That one month subscription cost $14.95 in the United States.
No The PLEX has a value of isk or 30 days play time. Nothing else not even real money.
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TrustThePilot
Caldari
Exiled.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.01.27 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nykky Syxx
I for one am looking forward to the AG's answer.
This immediately springs to mind. 
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Is that you, Michael Zign ?!?
Did you get banned for your own stupidity just before New Year's Eve and are now back claiming to be an USian ?
Or are you just another moron like that guy ?
I knew I'd seen this thread somewhere before.
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.01.27 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shaampoo
Edited by: Shaampoo on 27/01/2011 05:18:53
Do you get to Claim Tax on said ISK/PLEX ?
Even CCP doesn't attempt to claim back tax when taking donations for charity in the form of PLEX (i.e. to be paid to the charity via gift aid). They think it would cost too much to explain it for it to be worthwhile.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.27 20:29:00 -
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Please do send it to the AG, I want to see video of them laughing at your dumb ass later.
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Talanayaa
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Posted - 2011.01.27 22:02:00 -
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Ahh you Americans... You really surprise me sometimes. :)
I mean, most of you do seem nice and all that, but there are people among you that just don't realize that America is not the center of the world.
Good luck with your fight, troll.
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Hugo Smith
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Posted - 2011.01.28 03:20:00 -
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I cant believe im the first to comment this but...
This is Eve Online. It is an INTERNATIONALY played GAME which people play to have FUN. Who really gives a rats arse if some 15yr old is gambling his pixels away?
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:13:00 -
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OP? OP? Hellooooo?
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Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.02.01 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Miny McFly
Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.02.01 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dray
Originally by: Miny McFly
Let us open a legal can of worms and use Eve Online Poker as an example. I have e-mailed the Attorney Generals office a complaint asking him to look into the matter. I have asked CCP for theirs by E-mail. I should have the AG answer tomorrow. CCP with the issues of incursion with get a telephone call from the AG office before they answer my e-mail.
And what Dray is really feeling about you.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Vak''ran on 02/02/2011 00:08:44
If OP is not just a forum troll but indeed an irl troll, and has actually bothered his local AG with this bullcrap, I really, really hope said AG will prosecute the OP to the fullest extent for wasting his time. It will be the only resolution capable of restoring my belief in man as an intelligent organism.
edit: if just trolling the forum, meh, at least 6/10 for making use of our deepest fear: mankind's ability to produce people that stupid 
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum |
Myxx
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:24:00 -
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OP still hasn't replied. Did he 'disappear' like the other guy?
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(and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Myxx
OP still hasn't replied. Did he 'disappear' like the other guy?
He's probably enjoying every last reaction to the fullest before thinking of something new.
Though we can still hope he actually was a moron and is now working his ass off to pay the bill and fines his state prosecutor's office sent him, or still sitting in front of his mailbox each day thinking such a department would actually spend time on his brainfart
Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forum |
Myfanwy Heimdal
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Posted - 2011.02.14 21:38:00 -
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What often happens in the UK is that such 'prizes', or tickets for the prizes, will have on them some small print to the effect of "The redeemable value of this coupon is 0.00001p".
There may be something similar here.
Secondly, CCP is not in the US of A.
Thirdly, one of the reasons why I don't live in the USA is that it would be illegal for me to make a living from horse racing within the Land of the Free and would prefer to do it within the United Kingdom where the whole economy here is based on having a punt and has been for nigh on the past one thousand years.
Pip! Pip!
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