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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.27 18:10:00 -
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I'm sure CCP is working on banning bots(not just working on fighting RMT....)
But as a player we see nothing and we grow frustrated that day after day we see bots in system that any dollard could spot.
Players would be less likelly to use bots if they felt there may actually be a penalty(not worth the reward).
SO let us see the bots you have banned..show us a list of banned bots...there must be some every month.
Further more let use see what alliance they where in or forwarding isk to.
For banned bots show who benifited.
Also display how much isk was taken from those who benifited or who was banned.
This would do a number of things.
1) Alliances would police themselves to keep thier reputation.
2)Players who bennifit would be ostrasized by the community
3)People would actually feel like there was a penalty to botting...
4)non botters would feel that CCP was actually doing something.
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Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.01.27 18:29:00 -
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CCP is not legally obliged to report anything to you, and in fact are against the 'name it and shame it' crowd. I would like to see numbers without identities just to prove the actions they perform, but asking any more is useless.
Not supported.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:15:00 -
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 Originally by: E man Industries
I'm sure CCP is working on banning bots...
^^ Highly questionable premiss.
Everything from there is pointless. Not supported.
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Maxx Overseer
Gallente
Decrypt Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:18:00 -
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something to think about:::
look at other games, like wow and sto,,, are they better?
they don't tell you nothing and when they do they lie. At least CCP let you know where you stand, you may not like it but they have the ball to tell you. It's not easy killing bots and still have the engine work right.
So if you don't like it go to another game...
sorry that is how I think... I'm not a nice person I'm an Eve player
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lwxsky oli
FACTS on EVE
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:05:00 -
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Whatever CCP decide, do something about bots and let us know what they've done.
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Henry Haphorn
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.28 20:10:00 -
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Also, why not post their habits? Post how they were caught, and (if possible) what ship fittings they regularly used.
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.02.01 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Also, why not post their habits? Post how they were caught, and (if possible) what ship fittings they regularly used.
+1
right so we can do our part to solve this problem. This problem needs to be attacked from every angle! Its destroying the game |
Skex Relbore
Gallente
Skexcorp
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Posted - 2011.02.01 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/02/2011 14:49:25
Originally by: Optimus Night
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Also, why not post their habits? Post how they were caught, and (if possible) what ship fittings they regularly used.
+1
right so we can do our part to solve this problem. This problem needs to be attacked from every angle! Its destroying the game
Oh look the clueless are out in force again.
I'm getting so sick of these anti-botting threads I'm half tempted to start botting just for the tears.
Onto your idiocy though, If CCP actually had some sort of system for identifying bots they would be stupid to tell the whole fracking universe. Cause then the programmers who make the bots would just tweak their code to counter it.
What? you think botters don't read these boards too?
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Emma Hewitt
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Posted - 2011.02.01 15:17:00 -
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Not a bad idea. Keeps players aware and reassures confidence in that something is being done. Also reports can help on the fight on RMT. RMT players themselves will think twice. if they see CCP playing an active role in the fight against RMT and how much CCP care's for us non-botters 
Maybe like a semi-annually report that describes security measures, new & old scams, up to date information on account protection, numbers (bots banned, how much ISK was removed from the game via banning RMT/bots players, types of bots).
CCP you ARE doing something about them, right???
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.02.01 15:42:00 -
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How about CCP also release their credit details, real world addresses and home phone numbers?
The stupidest idea yet. Even the worst of real world 3rd world dictatorships don't publicize identity information without severe backlash from all over the place.
A blog detailing numbers involved, as was done with the Rage thing is more than sufficient.
As for alliances policing themselves: Make them at least partially culpable when a botting ring (NOTE: Not an individual bot!) is found operating under their banner.
Have GM's talk to leadership to find a solution, if none can be reached or leadership takes the fifth .. ban the ****ing lot of them.
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.02.01 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/02/2011 14:49:25
Originally by: Optimus Night
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Also, why not post their habits? Post how they were caught, and (if possible) what ship fittings they regularly used.
+1
right so we can do our part to solve this problem. This problem needs to be attacked from every angle! Its destroying the game
Oh look the clueless are out in force again.
I'm getting so sick of these anti-botting threads I'm half tempted to start botting just for the tears.
Onto your idiocy though, If CCP actually had some sort of system for identifying bots they would be stupid to tell the whole fracking universe. Cause then the programmers who make the bots would just tweak their code to counter it.
What? you think botters don't read these boards too?
Means??? Stop fighting botters?
You a botta? 
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Skexcorp
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Posted - 2011.02.01 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Optimus Night
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 01/02/2011 14:49:25
Originally by: Optimus Night
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Also, why not post their habits? Post how they were caught, and (if possible) what ship fittings they regularly used.
+1
right so we can do our part to solve this problem. This problem needs to be attacked from every angle! Its destroying the game
Oh look the clueless are out in force again.
I'm getting so sick of these anti-botting threads I'm half tempted to start botting just for the tears.
Onto your idiocy though, If CCP actually had some sort of system for identifying bots they would be stupid to tell the whole fracking universe. Cause then the programmers who make the bots would just tweak their code to counter it.
What? you think botters don't read these boards too?
Means??? Stop fighting botters?
You a botta?
I mean you aren't accomplishing **** by filling up the forum with 15 million posts about how prevalent botting is. All you are doing is advertising how easy it is to do and get away with which only encourages people who might not have thought about it to give it a try.
And no I'm not a botter I value my accounts and fun too much to risk them just for some easy isk even if the chance of being caught is remote.
The fact is that CCP does catch the occasional botter. Typically because the botter screwed up in some way or got greedy and over confident.
Raising visibility of the issue actually harms any efforts CCP might be making towards combating botting because it raises the paranoia levels of the botters so that they are more cautious and become even harder to catch.
Telling how to identify a botter simply gives the bot writers the opportunity to adjust the behavior of their programs to avoid what ever triggers are used. They're already sophisticated enough that a stop watch isn't an automatic way to spot any but the stupidest.
In my opinion the solution to botting is to address the problem in a more holistic manner.
Avoid gameplay options that tedious and repetitive. These are tasks at which bots excel. Why are so many bots mining bots? Because you practically have to be a fekking robot to stomach the activity.
Think about it. Mining in a Hulk you warp to a fixed belt target a few roids turn on your strip miners and then wait 3 minutes for them to cycle at which point you either move your ore to a can for pick up by a hauler or dump it in the corp hanger of your Orca.
Ratting is not much more complex warp to belt if rat target Orbit rat optimal shoot rep if shield/armor under x% cycle rep/booster rat dead cycle tractor wreck <2400km loot cycle salvager , all rats dead yes warp to next belt and repeat else repeat.
static content + boring gameplay = incentive to bot.
So the solution is to eliminate static content and boring gameplay.
Which is a win/win as it rewards active players and discourages botting at the same time.
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Optimus Night
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Posted - 2011.02.02 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
I mean you aren't accomplishing **** by filling up the forum with 15 million posts about how prevalent botting is. All you are doing is advertising how easy it is to do and get away with which only encourages people who might not have thought about it to give it a try.
And no I'm not a botter I value my accounts and fun too much to risk them just for some easy isk even if the chance of being caught is remote.
The fact is that CCP does catch the occasional botter. Typically because the botter screwed up in some way or got greedy and over confident.
Raising visibility of the issue actually harms any efforts CCP might be making towards combating botting because it raises the paranoia levels of the botters so that they are more cautious and become even harder to catch.
Telling how to identify a botter simply gives the bot writers the opportunity to adjust the behavior of their programs to avoid what ever triggers are used. They're already sophisticated enough that a stop watch isn't an automatic way to spot any but the stupidest.
In my opinion the solution to botting is to address the problem in a more holistic manner.
Avoid gameplay options that tedious and repetitive. These are tasks at which bots excel. Why are so many bots mining bots? Because you practically have to be a fekking robot to stomach the activity.
Think about it. Mining in a Hulk you warp to a fixed belt target a few roids turn on your strip miners and then wait 3 minutes for them to cycle at which point you either move your ore to a can for pick up by a hauler or dump it in the corp hanger of your Orca.
Ratting is not much more complex warp to belt if rat target Orbit rat optimal shoot rep if shield/armor under x% cycle rep/booster rat dead cycle tractor wreck <2400km loot cycle salvager , all rats dead yes warp to next belt and repeat else repeat.
static content + boring gameplay = incentive to bot.
So the solution is to eliminate static content and boring gameplay.
Which is a win/win as it rewards active players and discourages botting at the same time.
You are right in making things more exciting and harder to exploit by bots but you cant reach this with not talking about the problem. I think the people who use bots will use them whenever they can. I dont want any of these people in this game. They should have no right to play it anymore.
Not talking will led us to even more bots!
There are only two possible ways of playing eve:
You play it within the rules or
YOU A CHEATER who should GTFO BAN lifetime
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BOTA KILLA
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Posted - 2011.02.14 20:27:00 -
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Yes they should openly show which alliances and corps to provide shelter or actively support Bots.
The corps and alliances should know the ebst themselves who are bots and who not.
With this we could have much more pressure onto all corps and alliances to actively go against Bots.
They destroy their own game.
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.14 21:13:00 -
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really upset after http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/12/the-rise-of-the-isk-printing-machines-a-case-study-on-bots/
Really a 1 day suspension for a bot....WoW. That'll show em.
Never mind that the main or alliance the bot is supporting would not even so much as notice yet alone be discouraged from doing this.
EvE24news has done more than CCP to make bots have penalties just by showing where and who some ofthe bots are.
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Explosivesonhand
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Posted - 2011.02.15 05:08:00 -
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Like the idea. Do something about the bots already. I know this is one of a thousand topics on bots, but let me put it this way. This issue has not been touched by CCP during any other CSM, it has been a known problem for years. After years of inaction, you bet you'll hear alot of uproar about it. Fix it, and fix it correctly. Supported.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.02.15 05:19:00 -
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Ronan Connor
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Posted - 2011.02.15 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
I'm getting so sick of these anti-botting threads I'm half tempted to start botting just for the tears.
Onto your idiocy though, If CCP actually had some sort of system for identifying bots they would be stupid to tell the whole fracking universe. Cause then the programmers who make the bots would just tweak their code to counter it.
What? you think botters don't read these boards too?
Well one should think there are so many threads, cause people dont see much progress.
But it is true that showing the name of the bots would support the bot-devs to fine tune the code.
Therefore I would support the topic but more generalized. The max info ccp could release is how many bots in which region where banned. But this is IMO not of use to any player, so one could leave it complete.A monthly update on how many bots in total. How many in high, low or true sec.
A dev blog on the bot bannings would be interesting, but contra productive to ccp's work on the work against bots. Police doenst tell you how far they are catching the criminal as well. Maybe some extra words in the eve quarter report.
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