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Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:34:00 -
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Sorry but I'd take a scruffy looking pilot who actually fights than some trim and tidy high and mighty God-lover sitting pretty in a backwater nul sec watching the rest of the world burn. Egotistical jack ass... |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:39:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anslo wrote:Sorry but I'd take a scruffy looking pilot who actually fights than some trim and tidy high and mighty God-lover sitting pretty in a backwater nul sec watching the rest of the world burn. Egotistical jack ass... To most of the cluster and most capsuleers with a modicum of common sense the disputed factional-warfare 'territory' is the backwater, idiot.
If you had a modicum of common sense too, you'd see I was talking about the useless sliver of nul they hold and "police." Why do eggers feel a need to use an extensive vocabulary when arguing with someone? Trying to cover for something? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.20 13:51:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anslo wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:Anslo wrote:Sorry but I'd take a scruffy looking pilot who actually fights than some trim and tidy high and mighty God-lover sitting pretty in a backwater nul sec watching the rest of the world burn. Egotistical jack ass... To most of the cluster and most capsuleers with a modicum of common sense the disputed factional-warfare 'territory' is the backwater, idiot. If you had a modicum of common sense too, you'd see I was talking about the useless sliver of nul they hold and "police." Why do eggers feel a need to use an extensive vocabulary when arguing with someone? Trying to cover for something? Then what location were you referring to when you say "watching the rest of the world burn"? I use the same vocabulary when 'arguing' or having a drink, child. It's only 'extensive' by comparison.
No it's not extensive by comparison, I simply don't feel the need to justify myself to a "child" pilot flaunting an overly engineered lexicon in order to cover her own short comings. Creating an assumption regarding an individual's command of language based on a passe interaction while flaunting their own "linguistic abilities" is nothing but a sign of ignorance on their part.
I don't flaunt without need. Speaking plainly and in a straight forward manner is far better than honeyed words.
As to the location, if you did your research, you'd realize what I'm talking about. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:25:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Horak Thor wrote:Not much else to do since the amarr wont fight, or cant. I would suggest turning your attention inward and using a portion of your, no doubt not insubstantial, wealth and assets to provide for the planetside populations within the Republic and the space you've recently wrested. I know it can be a daunting task to try and focus on something other than endless combat, pillaging, murdering and raping; but I do encourage you to try it.
Pretty sure the only raping going on is from you bible thumpers with your minmatar slaves. The man's (Thor's) point still stands. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:39:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote: Not the need to justify, but still the need to explain yourself, got it.
Let's review: You're getting petulant due to someone else's vocabulary, which might just be a new low for the IGS.
Once upon a time capsuleers argued over content, not delivery method.
And this "child" is older than you.... and based on your public pilot record quite a bit more stable with both regular employment and competency on the battlefield.
If you'd like to compare specific shortcomings on a per-item bases though I'd be happy to put my record in any area right against yours.
Back to the topic then?
I moved corps a lot, because I was bored. Battle field wise, sure you have more kills then me. I don't care. Put your record up against mine, please. I'll laugh at my losses. I had a good time. I'm still gonna call you, just like every other ******* egger, who acts and speaks like their some superior god. Deal. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:05:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:26:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: Slavery isn't always easy, but it does the slaves good in the long run. Bondage is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are you kidding me?? Gods dammit no wonder people hate your kind. Take a look at the billions of Ni-Kunni in the Empire. Each and every one of them are descended from slaves. Would they be better off living in the mess that we found their ancestors in? Would there even be a Ni-Kunni race if we hadn't rescued them from their primitive state?
You enslaved them and forced your culture on them you dome headed God-Lover. You killed a culture that could have thrived. You forced it on them and pushed them into slavery until they recited every damn verse of your scriptures with perfect candor. Good little drones for your nut job Empress. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:14:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Aaah yes, the old ad hominem approach.
Yes we forced them to do things. It was for their own good. Consider a child. Sometimes its parents have to force it to do things, or force it to not do things. For its own good.
Getting things back on topic, the Ni-Kunni are in general both neater and tidier now.
You're not parents. They aren't YOUR children. You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:18:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Anslo wrote:You don't know what is and isn't good for anyone. Producing credentials which verify your right to make that statement would lend more credit to your argument.
Since when did anyone need credentials to say "slavery is wrong, you shouldn't decide a people's fate other than your own?" |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 13:14:00 -
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I knew this was gonna get good! |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:35:00 -
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Halete wrote:It saddens me to see that this is the freshest face of the Cal-Matar front, Dos.
It would be insincere of me to say that, despite your crudeness, I had not felt a spark of hope when I realized that another Pilot had once again emerged who recognized the potential for a good relationship between our people.
However, I have quickly come to realize that the nature of your beliefs have been forged by hatred.
You express the worst qualities of my own kindred - ignorance and irrationality in the face our enemy - and none of our best. Furthermore, the fact that you treat your State's ally with such errant disrespect when they have treated you and yours well is a great disservice to the Caldari people. Though, perhaps, your most dire of betrayals may be the nature in which you attack your own. You marry our ideas of Tribe whilst lashing out at your sisters in the same turn and this I cannot accept.
Spirits help your troubled mind, whelp. I see you walking towards a Path of destruction.
Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:24:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Anslo wrote:Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone? Every day, I find it harder and harder to suggest a diplomatic peace accord between our peoples. Congratulations on your contribution.
You're welcome! |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:41:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:So I expect you will be taking up arms for the Gallente or Minmatar Militias then? Nope, I refuse to fight for a hypocritical Federation or a liberation force that has members who insult someone for speaking blunty about the actions of slaver scum and those who pander to them.
Hey, we're not ALL bad. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:11:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:I am not interested in your history Halete, your condemnation against one who speaks against the brutality of the Amarrians has already been noted.
The more you talk the more I regret backing you up.... |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:29:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:Anslo wrote:The more you talk the more I regret backing you up.... That's fine by me, I lost any semblance of respect for this "summit" pages ago. As far as I'm concerned the bulk of you deserve each other and only serve to reinforce for me why I choose a stance of neutrality.
Then why are you here? |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:45:00 -
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Wow, you're more extreme than me. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:57:00 -
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Dos Naari wrote:Anslo wrote:Wow, you're more extreme than me. Maybe you're just not eXtreme enough with these boot kissers. 
Why care though? They can do what they want to do. Freedom of choice. I get your criticisms but now this is just blatant slander with just about...no back up. I mean do you have archives of your travels where you make your accusations? Proof? Cause these are super blatant things you're saying man, and coming from me, that's saying something. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 20:05:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck.
Wait, are we really considered infomorphs? I thought that was only when a consciousness is data, at all times. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.22 20:14:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Anslo wrote:Scherezad wrote:Regarldess, welcome to the infomorph community. Best of luck. Wait, are we really considered infomorphs? I thought that was only when a consciousness is data, at all times. I suppose that depends on your definition. According to the definition I work with, an infomorph is any decision network (sentient, biological, digital, or otherwise) able to
- survive design-change modification to its decision network without a disjunctive event, and
- demonstrate some form of substrate-independence.
In our labs, the first property is normally called the network's second-order resilience, while the second property is called its transitivity. Capsuleers are infomorphs with moderate second-order resilience and low transitivity.
I always thought of infomorphs as like, transhuman or posthuman or something. You know, shedding the need for physical bodies and such. Eh, I guess it's an open definition. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:04:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Ahanu Jolon wrote: Everyone gets angry over the slave issue me being one of them but you honestly can't expect us a nation and as people to not reason out that the Amarr helped put us right where we are.
For better or worse everything that happens in the Republic is a direct result of our war. Trying to wash your hands of it comes across as not only hypocritical but honestly quite sad.
The Amarr did not help put you right where you are. The Federation helped put you right where you are. The Jovians helped put you right where you are. But we didn't. If we had our way, we would still be looking after all of you. But if the Republic is in a bad way, then ultimately it's because the people running it are not suited to the task. It really is that simple.
So...you're saying that the years of slavery and war to "reclaim your property" had 0 baring on their current state?...Really?
Rodj.
That's ******* stupid. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:25:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:If the Minmatar hadn't rebelled, they would be well on the way to full enlightenment by now. They wouldn't have rebelled if you didn't enslave them and instead tried to ally with them and help them as equals, not animals. And don't say that you did it for their own good and they were treated well. If they were treated anything that could be considered well, the rebellion wouldn't have happened.
Rodj Blake wrote:Many of them would be enjoying a similar quality of life to the numerous satisifed Ni-Kunni living in the Empire. Not everyone likes subjugation, let alone invading their home planet and bombarding it from gods damn ORBIT.
Rodj Blake wrote:But no. They weren't patient. Like a small child they wanted their pudding before they'd eaten their meat. They wanted their freedom before they were ready for it. And now they are paying the price.
They were doing fine, if not BETTER before you showed up. Then you came. You banned their practices, stomped on their culture, and killed their most important figures as a means of subjugation, subversion, fear mongering, and control.
You still sound ******* stupid. They weren't kids. They were a flourishing race of people. Sure they didn't advance as others, but who cares? They were doing just fine in their own damn time. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:35:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:If the Minmatar hadn't rebelled, they would be well on the way to full enlightenment by now. They wouldn't have rebelled if you didn't enslave them and instead tried to ally with them and help them as equals, not animals. And don't say that you did it for their own good and they were treated well. If they were treated anything that could be considered well, the rebellion wouldn't have happened. Rodj Blake wrote:Many of them would be enjoying a similar quality of life to the numerous satisifed Ni-Kunni living in the Empire. Not everyone likes subjugation, let alone invading their home planet and bombarding it from gods damn ORBIT. I'm glad to hear that you don't like the concept of orbital bombardment. I hear that it's more of a Federation tactic though, so perhaps you should complain to your own government?
Don't try to turn this around *******. Not all Gal citizens agreed with what we did with the Caldari. If you didn't want to deal with us, personally, I thought we should have left you guys alone. But then Nouvelle Rouvenior happened, shots taken, people died.
It was all for a stupid, STUPID reason.
So yeah, my government did some stupid crap, but don't try to change the topic here from calling your reasoning out as bullshit. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:27:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:How about here, here and here? Those three stories are amongst the most recent half-dozen Minmatar items on the Scope feed. You point out 3 scattered and unrelated incidents (one of which was precipitated by Amarrian zealots placing someone deliberately in harms' way, by the way, and then feigning surprise when the inevitable happened) to prove your entire argument? I could point out 3 instances where sadistic holders have brutalized their slaves and extend that to your entire race as well. We both know that would be intellectually dishonest, however. You asked for evidence, I provided it. You have made claims, we're yet to see any evidence to back them up. But anyway, you present yourself as an advocate of freedom. Surely you don't object to people practising their religion? Or does your belief in freedom only extend as far as people doing what you want them to do?
I'm sure advocacy doesn't include forcing your religion on other people, as I mentioned before and that you so conveniently didn't answer. Also evidence? Do you REMEMBER the Days of Darkness from their history? Look who's talking about lack fo evidence. Now you sound ******* stupid AND like a ******* hypocrite. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:32:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Anslo wrote: I'm sure advocacy doesn't include forcing your religion on other people, as I mentioned before and that you so conveniently didn't answer. Also evidence? Do you REMEMBER the Days of Darkness from their history? Look who's talking about lack fo evidence. Now you sound ******* stupid AND like a ******* hypocrite.
I had previously asked Anabella to provide evidence of Minmatars flocking to the Republic from the Federation. That is what I was referring to. I'm not sure what that has to do with what primitves call the Day of Darkness? Maybe you you were so blinded with prejudicial rage that you just decided to lash out at me without actually realising what I was talking about?
Don't start with me on prejudicial rage preceded with your little primitives comment *******.
But sorry, I didn't notice you were talking about that. Your buddy Azdan has my blood boiling a little too high....but you're not helping it much either...whatever. Sorry.
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Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 19:13:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote: So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?
Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.
What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.
Im not saying it is the easiest way to live but it is right, when you see this fact you will be truly enligtened my ignorant friend.
Hell, it gave you people a thriving global culture before those jerks showed up. |

Anslo
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Posted - 2012.08.23 19:56:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote: You are correct, we didn't offer you much choice in the matter. I do not deny that this was a misstep on our part as previously we always attempted to peacefully guide and shepherd if possible. Also, referring to the latter, rejection of the message of God does warrant conquest by the Reclaiming, yes. I have also never denied that.
No, it doesn't warrant reclaiming. It warrants you allowing your GOD to pass judgment. Who are you to act in his stead? It means you leave them alone and in peace. Deal with your own Empire.
Azdan Amith wrote: Actually no, the Khanid submitted pretty voluntarily save for a few that chose to wage war rather than submit. These were forced into submission through conquest. To the latter, yes we did engage in conquest over many worlds before we contacted the Minmatar. Most of them are now upstanding members of the Empire, many serve in positions of power and authority. We even managed to keep a few from going extinct due to lack of resources on their home planets or destroying themselves through civil war.
Sure, civil war you probably instigated. Lack of resources YOU probably destroyed to back them into the corner without wasting war resources.
Azdan Amith wrote: Actually, the Minmatar have a history of violently attacking and killing their own kin who follow the Amarr faith, I'll provide references if you'd like. Also, before our arrival, you warred constantly against one another, even attempting to eradicate entire tribes from among yourselves, you actually became unified as a result of the interaction between our two peoples.
I wonder WHY they hate that faith so much and ANY who practice it? Hmm..maybe cause the one's OF that faith razed their lands, burned their homes, and stole their people and stuck a "safeguard" into them to ensure they don't run away. And, if you looked at my timeline, that "civil war" was FAR in the past. They had settled their differences, they had a GLOBAL culture, peaceful, intelligent, and damn well advancing at a faster rate than any of us were. Their Elders were leading them to a glorious future. They were unified BEFORE you came. Then the Dark Days hit, and you ****** it all up. Bravo. If the Amarr are to be credited with anything, it's almost everything BAD that happened to the Republic after they clawed to their freedom.
Azdan Amith wrote: I agree that you find great strength in diversity and internal friction. You have certainly demonstrated so. However, you do stamp out certain differences if you feel strongly enough opposed to them.
Differences encroached and planted by outsiders like YOU. Hell I don't even think the Gallente should be exposing as much culture as they do on the Minmatar. You don't export culture, it's wrong, plain and simple. Besides, Minmatar books and media are WAY more interesting at times than Gallente stuff.
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