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Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:01:00 - [1] We've seen T2 interceptors and assault frigates come out, we've seen T2 cruisers, and they're lovely and all... but for tech 2 battleships, could we have an approach to modelling that's something other than "take this T1 ship, dip it in glue and roll it around in spare pieces from an airplane model kit"? These things are gonna require like, two months of training just to get into, and cost a bajillion ISK, and I want them to look totally totally cool. If you look at the Zealot model, the extra engines are uneven (one is stuck partly in the hull) and you can see clear through the ship from the bottom because someone forgot to texture down there. Zealot is so similar to the Omen in appearance that I've actually used that as a tactical advantage, tricking people into thinking I'm just flying an Omen. The Apoc's underside seems to be the result of the guy who does the skins looking at his watch, seeing it's late, and going "Aw hell, time to go home, I'll just throw a bunch of gradients down there, no-one will notice". Seeing as ships are the avatar in this game, and people stare at them obsessively from every possible angle, a little more attention to detail would be spiffy. I want the T2 Apocalypse to have a whole mess of extra armor plating all over it, make it look like an ironclad or something. How about floating armor plates like you see on the Auguror. Use the totally hot red/gold color scheme from Crusaders. I want these ships to look so hot, that when I fly through Yulai in one, everyone who spots it immediately falls to their knees and recognizes my superiority as a human being for owning one.
Meridius	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:09:00 - [2] Signed. The retribution/vengeances skins look very low res and crappy as well. Assault cruisers mostly look like crap. The sacrilege is the only one that really looks pretty neat. The deimos is a joke, camo in space with toxic green trails? WTF? For armor heavy ships like the zealot, lets see some plates like Istvaan suggested. For shield heavy, throw in some shield generators. ________________________________________________________
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:16:00 - [3] The wolf looks like beast fully armed. And the Jaguar looks sexy. I'll admit, im a Rifter lover. Hands down, so maybe im biased there. But, anything that makes what you have on your screen most of the time look even more swish, then hell, go for it. - "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:20:00 - [4] I'd rather they fixed bugs than this, tbh. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:21:00 - [5] About the only ships that look like they've had a huge effort are the Khanid ones - they just look so damn fine. Id like a t2 Raven that is more than just a raven with a lick of camo paint, it needs to ooze power and menace to everyone within a 3 system radius. -------- #eve-online irc.stratics.com - Former official IRC channel (Legacy) #eve-online irc.coldfront.net - Official Unofficial IRC channel WE R 4TW!
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:38:00 - [6] Josh, saying "I'd rather they fix bugs" makes no sense because the art team doesn't fix bugs in the first place, as far as I know. Most of the problems seem to be on Amarr ships, come to think of it. Missing textures, detached ship segments...
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:41:00 - [7] The art team are too busy designing my sigs, Istvaan, sorry LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:46:00 - [8] Well, that explains everything. (when I saw your reply, your sig randomizer had loaded the MS Paint "woosh" Raven sig)
DUFFMANX	Posted - 2005.01.25 17:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Josh, saying "I'd rather they fix bugs" makes no sense because the art team doesn't fix bugs in the first place, as far as I know. Most of the problems seem to be on Amarr ships, come to think of it. Missing textures, detached ship segments... Maybe the art team r minmatar and biased to amarr ships lol. But a few fixes in details would be nice. The claw needs something different than lookin like a slasher. It may be a tactical advantage bt that is gone if some1 decide to use show info button. Id rather see the claw with a colour scheme similar to the wolf. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Shimatu	Posted - 2005.01.25 18:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Well, that explains everything. (when I saw your reply, your sig randomizer had loaded the MS Paint "woosh" Raven sig) it had for me as well, oddly enough :P but yeh, some well-changed models would be nice. 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Minyon	Posted - 2005.01.25 19:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Josh, saying "I'd rather they fix bugs" makes no sense because the art team doesn't fix bugs in the first place, as far as I know. Most of the problems seem to be on Amarr ships, come to think of it. Missing textures, detached ship segments... So why dont the art team fix all the graphical bugs like all the ships with missing engine trails or the guns that dont show on some ships
Weirda	Posted - 2005.01.25 19:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Weirda on 25/01/2005 19:16:13 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Most of the problems seem to be on Amarr ships, come to think of it. Missing textures, detached ship segments... That's why the Gods gave you... THE MIGHTY MEGAPULSE!!!! ... to make up for you less then desirable missing textures... EDIT: oh... and Signed BTW!!! -- Thread Killer <END TRANSMISSION>
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2005.01.25 19:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Meridius The deimos is a joke, camo in space with toxic green trails? WTF? What what WHAT? The Deimos looks damn awesome - especially when pimped out with T2 guns, although an extra engine or something would look really, really cool. But generally I agree, and we know the community can have an impact - just look at what they did to the Megathron and Thorax skins after everyone moaned for a while. I also hope that the T2 Battleships aren't going to be 'Super-Heavy-Assault' ships, and that they spice them up a little with 'Flagships' etc etc. Oh, I never noticed the underside of my Apocalypse before, but by golly it is ugly! I mean, it's already ugly, but DAMN! Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.01.25 19:26:00 - [14] To be honest, the Sacrilege needs different engine trails. Blue skin, blue engine trails, boring. Let's give it meanlooking red trails or something. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.25 21:13:00 - [15] bah, DEimos looks great B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.01.25 21:13:00 - [16] Zealot could use some love, and the art team could use some ... discipline, finish what you start before releaseing it please... Or at least fix it quickly after release, not after a 500 page whine thread :/ http://eve.klaki.net/
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.01.25 21:17:00 - [17] I want a tech2 bantam.
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.01.25 21:35:00 - [18] Signed My harpy looks really silly after a while. Its symetrical and whatnot, but the extra engines and litte spikes on the front are ridiculously obviously pinned on. --- Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
Lameth	Posted - 2005.01.25 21:54:00 - [19] I love this game and everything in it. BUT why are these the UGLIEST ship models in the known universe??? Hell, even TIE fighters look cool, and that's from Star wars! Every race has some cool ships (rifter,thorax, thron, omen, geddon), but 90% of them are crappy. Who in their right mind would run around in a tempest skin, if there was an option? Some guys wanted a mammoth skin on their Tempests! Golden magnate rocks, so does most of the Battlecruisers. Get those guys on re-designing the old ships =) "Gallante federation forces nations into docking bays. New Paint for everyone!" plz! Signed "reallife.dll not found" http://www.killboard.net/signature/<Lameth>.jpg
Atandros	Posted - 2005.01.25 22:02:00 - [20] I really hate the Deimos' looks too, mainly because of the colors. The yellow and the kitschy green exhaust trails combine to make it look like some pathetic Micro Machines toy from a kiddies' science fiction franchise. The Ishtar, Helios and Ishkur, while possessing nice blue highlights, have an equally kitschy green color. Again, revoltingly childish (and the poor Ishkur's crappy antennas only exacerbate the problem). Generally, I don't mind the "take this T1 ship, dip it in glue and roll it around in spare pieces from an airplane model kit" approach, so long as the colors aren't pathetically inappropriate (see above) and the bits aren't too conspicuously out of place (see Harpy, Ishkur, Helios). One aspect of the current design approach I really like is a pattern on the ship hull (see Hawk and Deimos) and reflective ship parts (see Taranis). Those really make it a different ship, while keeping the basic identity intact.
Zyrla Bladestorm	Posted - 2005.01.25 22:19:00 - [21] The Vagabonds pretty sexy imho, though it almost begs for a "flamethrower" weapon to be added to go on that forward dragons-lower-jaw hardpoint . ----- Apologys for any rambling that may have just occurred.
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2005.01.25 22:28:00 - [22] Well, I'd also like to point out that the 2 large engine pods on the Hawk Assault ship aren't even. Look at it top-down while docked in a station and you'll see what I mean. One of them is set back a tiny bit farther than the other. Not something super-noticible, but it does bug me a tiny bit. I'd also like to see an option for higher-rez skins on the graphics menu. As far as I know, art developers always make the original skin as detailed as possible, then lower the quality as necessary to conserve memory. So, those high-resolution skins should be still available, all CCP would need to do is upload them to us and allow us to apply them if we so choose (and we've got the computer to handle it). That would totally kick ass.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.01.26 00:16:00 - [23] Higher res skins would rule.
EtherealPain	Posted - 2005.01.26 01:11:00 - [24] personaly, i HATE the extra set of 'wings' on the back of the wolf.... it angered me when i saw that they look like they were pulled off a claw (i hate their 'feathered' look anyway, space ships dont need feathers). but the 2 back wings of the wolf look so out of place... just the 2 in the middle wouldnt bother me as much. i think iv said this atleast 2146.3 times in this answer allready, but the back wings are so uneeded it makes me allmost not want to fly my fav. ship -------------------------------------- I saw a hobo once, he was holding a sign that said: Parents killed by ninjas, need money for samurai lessons. i gave him everything i had.... i hope he killed those damn ninjas
Altar Mei	Posted - 2005.01.26 03:17:00 - [25] I personally like the look of just about every ship, but at the end of the day I always feel the t2 models (inters, AF, HAC) we're a rush job. Are we really supposed to believe that the original art team worked on these, most look like they just got there ass kicked by a crayon. Seriously though I'd be willing to wait a bit longer if the t2 ships could be a bit more original or at least polished. signed and please fix the back end of the phoon.
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2005.01.26 04:54:00 - [26] /signed. Definitely please fix the back of the Typhoon. Amarr ships look like they were designed by the lowest bidder. Probably a nepotism based contract in the Amarr Empire. Why would anybody want to fly around in ships that look like brass whales? At least change the skin to metallic pink, or put a hood over them to cover them up. :)
Stormking	Posted - 2005.01.26 05:43:00 - [27] I think most of the original ship models look really cool, but I was knida disappointed by the approach to the t2 ships. I do wish they had done more than add stick-on bits. If they do this to t2 BS and dreadnaughts I will be ****ed as hell.
Urfin	Posted - 2005.01.26 07:15:00 - [28] Definetly signed. Reusing old artwork is bad, especially since modelling a ship (even if CCP has a very slow art pipeline) doesn't take all that long. Frankly, I can't imagine what the art team is so busy with that they can't model new ships, judging from the amount of new art I see appearing in game over time. Unless the art team consists of one concept artist and one modeller. Btw, can CCP FIX THE DAMN UNATTACHED GUNS PLEASE??? I mean, it can't be THAT HARD to fix a gun's barrel so it's actually attached to it's base!
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.01.26 09:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I'd rather they fixed bugs than this, tbh. Well since it's probably different people that fix bugs and make ship textures, Id rather have new textures AND bugs fixed. But thats just me -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2005.01.26 09:42:00 - [30] Originally by: EtherealPain personaly, i HATE the extra set of 'wings' on the back of the wolf.... it angered me when i saw that they look like they were pulled off a claw (i hate their 'feathered' look anyway, space ships dont need feathers). but the 2 back wings of the wolf look so out of place... just the 2 in the middle wouldnt bother me as much. i think iv said this atleast 2146.3 times in this answer allready, but the back wings are so uneeded it makes me allmost not want to fly my fav. ship And i love the wings. So it goes to show they cant please everyone. - "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
Vicker Lahn'se	Posted - 2005.01.26 14:48:00 - [31] First of all, I love the way my Wolf looks. It is by far the hottest ship in the game. That being said, I must say that I support the reuse of old ship models. These tech2 ships aren't supposed to be new ships. They're custom jobs built out of the existing hull classes. It's like tricking out the engine on a car and giving it chrome plating, etc. Originally by: EtherealPain personaly, i HATE the extra set of 'wings' on the back of the wolf.... it angered me when i saw that they look like they were pulled off a claw (i hate their 'feathered' look anyway, space ships dont need feathers). but the 2 back wings of the wolf look so out of place... just the 2 in the middle wouldnt bother me as much. i think iv said this atleast 2146.3 times in this answer allready, but the back wings are so uneeded it makes me allmost not want to fly my fav. ship Those "wings" are heat sinks to vent off the massive heat that all that fancy hardware gives off. Tech1 ships have heat sinks that look like solar panels. Tech2 ships are more high tech and use more advanced materials for their sinks. And Atandros, the micro machines colors fit with the Gallente style. Look at the Gallente ship names; I think they must be transformers or something. Watches as a Megathron next to him transforms into a giant robot. =D
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.01.26 15:43:00 - [32] Do you support shoddy, uneven model work and lazy/missing texturing? Because that's what I'm *****ing about ;p
Martakh	Posted - 2005.01.26 16:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Mikelangelo /signed. Amarr ships look like they were designed by the lowest bidder. Probably a nepotism based contract in the Amarr Empire. Why would anybody want to fly around in ships that look like brass whales? At least change the skin to metallic pink, or put a hood over them to cover them up. WHAT, everything gold plated is the way it meant to be. How else are we going to spend the money our slaves generate?
D'MITRI	Posted - 2005.01.26 16:21:00 - [34] It is quite amazing how many models have issuesà all of which detract from the immersion significantly, not to mention the let down of spending countless days training and building up cash to fly defective products, much like getting cold fries at McDonalds. - Typhoon still has inverted normals on the back sectionà it is inside out. - Just noticed the maledictionÆs left wing is not at the same angle as the right and the use of mining lasers for engines is a tad lame. - Both of the above ships donÆt render parts of the ship while docked from certain angles (the billboard surfaces). - Many ships have engine trails that donÆt line up. Of course the recently added bugs with exodus: - undocking at weird angles. - docked ships not showing all turrets mounted. The one thing that exodus added that I can be happy for (okay maybe thereÆs more than one)à my mal shows all three mounted turrets in a cool staggered pattern, at least when undocked. These issues are ranked with the lowest priority possible, which I think is unfortunate. Either that or there are some significant technical issues which prevent them from fixing them. And yet another potential option, CCP doesnÆt care. A complete bug list with every bug, regardless of how insignificant CPP thinks the particular bugs are, would be a good start. At least then IÆd know they recognize that someone cares.
Vicker Lahn'se	Posted - 2005.01.26 16:23:00 - [35] I don't support shotty jobs. I don't support ships with holes in the bottom or ships with gradiants put in the place of a forgotten texture. However, none of the ships I have flown have exibited such things. Well, if I look really hard, I'm quite sure the pair of little fins with antennae that stick out on the bottom of my Wolf aren't at the exact same angle. It's barely noticable, though, and I might just be imagining things. I just tell myself that I must have bent it by banging into something while docking...
Atandros	Posted - 2005.01.27 03:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Atandros on 27/01/2005 03:19:49 Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se And Atandros, the micro machines colors fit with the Gallente style. Look at the Gallente ship names; I think they must be transformers or something. Watches as a Megathron next to him transforms into a giant robot. =D Yes, I hate that name too. But other Gallente names, mostly mythological figures and Latin-sounding words, are far more dignified.
Stormking	Posted - 2005.01.27 03:24:00 - [37] Personally I think most Gallente names are pretty cool...Incursus, Exequror (crap ship cool name), Tristan... You can even start to like "Megathron" if you know it means Great Beast.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.01.27 06:01:00 - [38] Edited by: j0sephine on 27/01/2005 06:02:04 "Look at the Gallente ship names; I think they must be transformers or something. Watches as a Megathron next to him transforms into a giant robot.* =D"* It was supposed to be "Megathrob" to fully drive the concept originated by the visuals home, but the dev's finger slipped and hit another key... Why do you think the others have names like "Dominix", "Deep Throax" (another typo there) and whatnot... Q:s~
Vicker Lahn'se	Posted - 2005.01.27 06:04:00 - [39] Deep Thorax? That's even worse than Dominix. It sounds ****ographic. =P
Sochin	Posted - 2005.01.27 06:15:00 - [40] Not all of the T2 ships look like crap. The Taranis is probably the coolest looking ship in the game with T2 ions fitted. The Enyo looks pretty tight, although the Ishkur is fugly. The Malediction and Sacrilege both look awesome, mostly due to the gunmetal blue skins. Nemo me impune lacessit
Zanthiuse	Posted - 2005.01.27 06:38:00 - [41] what gets me is that i can model and texture better than what's in the game....and i'd do it free too ____________________________ Waiting to cut out the deadwood. Waiting to clean up the city. Waiting to follow the worms.
Elrathias	Posted - 2005.01.27 08:18:00 - [42] gimmeh a ares-red vexor and ill shut up. FIX SOME NEW MODELS MMKAY, DONT FORGET CALDARI EITHER. (we have one cool ship mmkay? the scorpion!) --------------------------
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.01.27 08:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Elrathias (we have one cool ship mmkay? the scorpion!) erm... and the Raven, Caracal, Blackbird, Merlin, Ferox, Badger. You dont seem to have a good grasp of the aesthetics of caldari ships. -------- #eve-online irc.stratics.com - Former official IRC channel (Legacy) #eve-online irc.coldfront.net - Official Unofficial IRC channel WE R 4TW!
Vailin Snow	Posted - 2005.01.27 14:26:00 - [44] Signed... Please do something about the Zelot.
Iratus Caelestis	Posted - 2005.01.27 14:54:00 - [45] I agree, the HAC's were a big dissapointment visually. The Deimos is way too camp, I mean its wearing unnecessary camouflage in an overtly phallic shape. The signs are there.

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