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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:09:00 -
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When I first read about EVE in gaming magazines it described about a fully functioning economy driven by actual player supply and demand. Having played the game for 14 days and just moved from trial account to paid account I have realised that this is a complete exaggeration.
The Eve market place is no different to another games market system and is little better than markets on single player games such as Freelance or any other console RPG market. The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots. Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots which just leaves a sterile feeling similar to that of another single player game.
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
Eve would be so much better with out the bots.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Daxine Myth
When I first read about EVE in gaming magazines it described about a fully functioning economy driven by actual player supply and demand. Having played the game for 14 days and just moved from trial account to paid account I have realised that this is a complete exaggeration.
The Eve market place is no different to another games market system and is little better than markets on single player games such as Freelance or any other console RPG market. The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots. Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots which just leaves a sterile feeling similar to that of another single player game.
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
Eve would be so much better with out the bots.
Whilst the second part is true, the first part is almost certainly not. I've done a LOT of digging into the bot issue and I doubt there are half as many bots as people claim, but there ARE a lot of people updating their orders for hours on end.
Overall the economy is very player driven, though it is also directed by the amount of spawned items that are actually in the game. The players can drive the economy only so far up or down before the ceiling for how many faction spawns or pyro respawn rate is hit for example. Though by constantly adjusting to what is profitable the players constantly ensure the market follows supply/demand very accurately, and allows speculation bubbles to come and go in various items.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:27:00 -
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Just because there is the occasional bot that owns the buy and sell gap doesn't discount the fundamentals of the player driven market in any way. The market as a whole isn't controlled by bots, people vastly underestimate the number of people who update their orders every 5 minutes.
What makes the market of Eve superior to basically any other MMOs market is that there is interdependence and player manufacturing at every level of the chain. The fact that a big war in 0.0 can effect moon mineral production, which effects t2 components and finally t2 ships and modules, well that's just not something you can find in any other MMO.
Markets in real life have bots that constantly fuzz the edges of the buy and sell gap. It's an annoyance, but in the end it can even increase the transparency of the true value of the item.
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Vodka Clathrates
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
IOW, exactly how the real-world market works.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
Having played the game for 14 days and just moved from trial account to paid account
Lurk m0ar.
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The Eve market place is no different to another games market system and is little better than markets on single player games such as Freelance or any other console RPG market.
Except that almost everything you see for sale is obtained by player characters, be it by ratting, mining, harvesting, reacting, manufacturing, inventing, reverse-engineering, special rewards or purchases from LP shops. Very few item classes are sold by NPCs (blueprints, skillbooks and not sure if they sell anything else anymore nowadays). How much MORE player-driven do you expect it to be ?
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The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots. Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots
Highly doubtful, but there might be a grain of truth in there somewhere.
I'll bet that there are people that do use scripts and bots heavily, but I never had any problems personally with such a type of unfair competition.
Just wait some more and get more engaged in the industrial or trading side, there's more than enough people around these here parts that make a fortune completely honestly.
You don't need bots when you (almost) never adjust your orders, or when your batches take up to 1 month to complete building, wouldn't you agree ? And yet, still, there's plenty of ISK to be had that way too.
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Eve would be so much better with out the bots.
Nobody denies that, and CCP does whatever they think is appropriate trying to delete as many of them as possible while not accidentally punishing legitimate users.
Just because your PERCEPTION is that scripts and bots rule the markets doesn't mean that the REALITY is close to your perception.
Again, it might be, but... what's the practical difference TO YOU between somebody with way too much free time and a bot or script ? To me, that distinction is hardly worth making. They both compete for a market share in a way I can't, so I adjust my tactics accordingly and STILL make trades just fine with minimal online time. I might not make as much money as them, but I still make more than enough.
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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vodka Clathrates
Originally by: Daxine Myth
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
IOW, exactly how the real-world market works.
The real world market place is not run by machines. Farmers are not controlled by scripts, their tractors are not controlled by scripts, their combine harvesters (actually are controlled by scripts, dammit :P) but you get what I'm saying. At every stage humans control the production of goods and their selling in EVE while using a bot this is not true.
Bots can rat in null sec and retrive items 24/7, they can mine material 24/7 and sell these goods 24/7 for the lowest price by an agrot of an isk 24/7. This requires zero skill, limited human imput.
Real life players can not compete with bots and I will also remind you that botters are not paying customers of EVE but pay using illegally gotten ISK. Their opinions should be completely muted on anything to do with EVE.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
The real world market place is not run by machines.
Yes it is. All the major trading firms have masses of computers running trades for every minute that the market is open. Also most of human production is automated/poor people working 17hours a day, just like you suggest EVE is. It's highly realistic in that regard!
Also market bots aren't that common, do some research and you'll discover this. I don't mean looking at all the threads of people claiming they've found one, 99% of the time all they found was someone with lots of internet time. Real bots are rare on the market. Ratting and mining, however, is another story, but that barely effects your ability to trade on the market.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:52:00 -
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"Hi I'm new and ignorant and don't understand the market so I'll blame the bots".
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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
"Hi I'm new and ignorant and don't understand the market so I'll blame the bots".
''Hi, I'm old and weary and can't play fair so I'll defend botting.''
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:56:00 -
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Your are wrong.
I will not say, they are no bots ingame, but they are not controlling the market so that normal players can make profit.
Go away from those big market hubs and find a better place, there are lot of places where a good trader/hauler or miner/builder or any other specialized play can make his margin.
You just need to look closer to the game and dig a little bit deeper. Sure this needs some player skills and also skillpoints will help a lot, but making profit also needs good connections to the market.
There is always demand on something and selling it on the right place will make good profit.
Do not give up that fast, get more experience first. I personally can tell you as a long time eve player, that there are lot of possibilities to make isk here without using bots and makros at all. Also find out the weaknesses of them and you may screw them.
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Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
When I first read about EVE in gaming magazines it described about a fully functioning economy driven by actual player supply and demand. Having played the game for 14 days and just moved from trial account to paid account I have realised that this is a complete exaggeration.
The Eve market place is no different to another games market system and is little better than markets on single player games such as Freelance or any other console RPG market. The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots. Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots which just leaves a sterile feeling similar to that of another single player game.
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
Eve would be so much better with out the bots.
I think you would be happier joining the Idiocracy.
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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:08:00 -
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Sorry I'm a noob to EVE and MMPOG's. Can someone explain why CCP takes such a hard stance against real money traders but seems pretty relaxed about botting?
I mean what is so bad about real money trading? If people want to buy ISK rather than cheat or use hax so what? If people in poor countries can farm ISK then sell for Dollars surely that is a good thing as it's providing jobs? As long as they don't use scripts or bots to do so.
It seems CCP wants a monopoly on the PLEX market which as a monopoly is unfair. If ISK selling was allowed surely it would provide competition and drive the cost of EVE subscriptions down giving a fair price to the EVE online gamer? It would also encourage CCP to take a very heavy stance against bots which would give ISK sellers an illegal advantage in accordance with the game rules.
It seems all CCP cares about is money and not gamers experience or the poor 'gold farmers'. When Bots cost CCP money they had 'Unholy Rage' but now that CCP has a monopoly through the use of PLEX the use of Bots is now allowed or not actively prevented.
As I said I'm new and need this explaining.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
The real world market place is not run by machines. Farmers are not controlled by scripts, their tractors are not controlled by scripts, their combine harvesters (actually are controlled by scripts, dammit :P) but you get what I'm saying. At every stage humans control the production of goods and their selling in EVE while using a bot this is not true.
Bots can rat in null sec and retrive items 24/7, they can mine material 24/7 and sell these goods 24/7 for the lowest price by an agrot of an isk 24/7. This requires zero skill, limited human imput.
Real life players can not compete with bots and I will also remind you that botters are not paying customers of EVE but pay using illegally gotten ISK. Their opinions should be completely muted on anything to do with EVE.
The fact that some of the low level materials are generated by bots is another thing that doesn't discount the dynamic player-driven aspect of the market. First of all, the vast majority of isk, minerals, and materials is generated by players. Secondly, the source of the materials is just one dynamic factor in the market.
Here's a T3 ship for example (I'm not in T3 production, this is probably simplified):
òPilots complete sleeper sites to acquire ancient relics, and use salvaging on sleeper wrecks to get sleeper salvage
òPilots mine fullerite gases from wormhole sites
òManufacturer takes an array of basic minerals acquired through mining, the BPO from the market, and creates hybrid polymers through a POS reaction
òManufacturer takes sleeper salvage, hybrid polymers, and a component BPO from the market and creates T3 components.
òManufacturer reverse engineers the hull BPC using ancient relics, hybrid tech decryptors, T3 datacores, and R.A.M acquired by hacking, in addition to datacores acquired through research agents, to finally do a reverse engineering job at a POS that creases a hull BPC.
òManufacturer takes the components and creates a T3 ship and an array of different subsystems.
As you can see, bots only handle the repetitive tasks that created isk and minerals, the actual interesting parts, the parts that make the market dynamic, are all controlled by players. Rat loot markets and T1 markets are not dynamic, those are entry level markets that are far simpler than many other markets in eve.
In addition, when you looks beyond the actual production of products, things like wars, speculation, patch notes, player behavior, even new bot versions can all spice things up.
If you can't see why this is a robust, player driven market, I really can't help you further. It's not a perfect example of a player driven market, but it's world apart any other MMO that I've played.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
At every stage humans control the production of goods and their selling in EVE while using a bot this is not true.
Even the bots are controlled by humans. Next.
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Daxine Myth
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:20:00 -
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Thanks for the posts I can see how it's player driven more clearly now. So my next question is why people who enjoy eve openly support bots? Every post I've read has some one jumping to the defence of botters.
They say it keeps item cost low but half the fun of eve is getting shiny and expensive toys. They might as well make the Rookie Ship's Tengu's if people just want the best items for low prices.
Are bots the means by which 'experienced' players play eve for free? Is it sort of CCP saying ''well you've supported us for this long and now we're happy for you to script and play for free.'' or is botting strictly against the rules? I've seen market bots with 4 year employment history and they are bots 100% as I've checked their market updates and they are unhuman.
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OverLord Minion
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: OverLord Minion on 28/01/2011 15:24:58
First of all. If this is a thread about bots...I really can't imagine anyone that doesn't think bots are a problem and should be all exterminated.
That said, market bots are the best kind of bots. They don't generate ISK or items. The only repercussion on their actions is taking some profit from traders (which most don't really care as there's plenty of room for profit as it is).
Mission runners and people who rat for a living are the ones that are really getting f****d with bots. They generate isk AND items, decreasing the honest work of an honest player. That does change the market as more items/isk is available but doesn't matter for traders.
As why CCP is harder on RMT than bots: I really don't know. I think bots are in fact more important than RMT but they are harder to catch and don't mess (directly) with CCP pockets. PLEX is a very important strategic resource for CCP as it allows players that can't/don't want to pay for a subscription to play with some else's money. This means more active subscriptions and more ISK flow. Also, it will have an important role in micro-transactions to come.
Bots are the end of any mmorpg. Exterminate them.
Edit: If you are sure they are bots you should send a petition. They may not be able to do much but at least they will be aware that the community wants this to stop.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
Sorry I'm a noob to EVE and MMPOG's. Can someone explain why CCP takes such a hard stance against real money traders but seems pretty relaxed about botting?
I mean what is so bad about real money trading? If people want to buy ISK rather than cheat or use hax so what? If people in poor countries can farm ISK then sell for Dollars surely that is a good thing as it's providing jobs? As long as they don't use scripts or bots to do so.
It seems CCP wants a monopoly on the PLEX market which as a monopoly is unfair. If ISK selling was allowed surely it would provide competition and drive the cost of EVE subscriptions down giving a fair price to the EVE online gamer? It would also encourage CCP to take a very heavy stance against bots which would give ISK sellers an illegal advantage in accordance with the game rules.
It seems all CCP cares about is money and not gamers experience or the poor 'gold farmers'. When Bots cost CCP money they had 'Unholy Rage' but now that CCP has a monopoly through the use of PLEX the use of Bots is now allowed or not actively prevented.
As I said I'm new and need this explaining.
Sorry for the consecutive post, but this is a new issue.
CCP (in the eyes of many) is not taking enough action against bots. How you jump to the conclusion that CCP allows or even supports botting, I have no idea. Of course CCP wants bots out of the game. This is a hard job, especially for a feature obsessed company like ccp who releases an expansion every 6 months.
"I mean what is so bad about real money trading?" It DESTROYS a game's market, I've seen it happen many times in many MMOs. PLEX is an extremely clever method to pseudo implement RMT without negatively affecting the market. What creates the problem is when you can cash out isk for money. If you could sell 1B isk for $45 (the market value based on PLEX), I would probably quit my day job. Sure, you can still sell isk, but the rates are lower on the "black market", and you risk a ban as well.
Why doesn't CCP sell isk directly? Because PLEX is a better system, that's why. PLEX means that the isk people buy isn't conjured out of thin air. Someone actually has to work for the isk that the PLEX buys. The value of PLEX, aka the amount of work required to earn a free month of subscription, is controlled by player actions and needs now. Because the only money changing hands is akin to "I'll pay you're $15 subscription fee for 350m isk", the market never goes out of control like real RMT. I'm willing to put in some extra time to buy a few PLEX for my accounts, but once you can actually sell isk for real money, not just time cards, as I said I'd quit the dayjob 
PLEX hurts RMT in eve. I watched an interview from a guy who manages services for botting rings (it was on shattered crystal I think), and the guy basically goes "Eve RMT isn't that good, we focus on other games". PLEX is a large part of the reason, it caps profits and draws away customers.
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Zombatar
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:43:00 -
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Ignore the OP he has no idea what he is talking about. EvE market is one of the most complex and competitive game market in existence. It might be a bold claim, but please let me know if there is another game that offers anything remotely similar?
As for bots, yes they exist, but there are also players with iPhones updating their orders every 5 min, 23.5/7... go figure.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
So my next question is why people who enjoy eve openly support bots?
Not one poster in here is saying bots are good.
We all want them gone.
Some people feel like CCP is not doing enough against botters, others realize it's hard (for reasons that were debated to hell and back on other occasions) to eliminate ONLY botters and not accidentally punish legitimate players.
Even with a very small false positive rate you still risk punishing a lot of honest players, and that's arguably worse than missing some bots here and there.
The fact that some things are cheaper with bots around is a different issue, and has nothing to do with supporting botting, it's merely an observation.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Just because your PERCEPTION is that scripts and bots rule the markets doesn't mean that the REALITY is close to your perception.
Again, it might be, but... what's the practical difference TO YOU between somebody with way too much free time and a bot or script ? To me, that distinction is hardly worth making. They both compete for a market share in a way I can't, so I adjust my tactics accordingly and STILL make trades just fine with minimal online time. I might not make as much money as them, but I still make more than enough.
There's no room for softness, not in Sparta. No place for weakness. Only the hard and strong may call themselves Spartans. Only the hard, only the strong. We march. [...] We march.
Changing prices just for the sake of changing prices must be one awesome way to waste time. Quickly, give me a hug before I throw up!
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:54:00 -
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learn to play the game and you might notice that the market is player driven not by bots, but by rich players with no life
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ticarus Hellbrandt
learn to play the game and you might notice that the market is player driven not by bots, but by rich players with no life
I would rate Akita T higher than those bots and no life players tbh. 
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:21:00 -
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The real world market place is not run by machines
It is and they load and unfairly use the systems (*) to the point that CME Group and other large exchanges are pondering about setting some limits.
It's called millisecond trading and quantitative trading, go check them out.
(*) unfairly as in: early adopters purchased all the possible room around the exchanges servers buildings and converted them to datacenters, to minimize connection latency. This screws whoever comes "after" and all the smaller traders.
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The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots.
This is more of a case of "boring mechanics that make people undistinguishable from scripts" than vice versa.
You'd be surprised how many no lifers sit staring at a market window to 0.01 ISK for hours to no end.
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Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots which just leaves a sterile feeling similar to that of another single player game.
is meaningless as long as YOU are not a bot user.
If you and thousand other bad players stopped playing like bots and followed the market trends, they would make money while sleeping.
Markets in EvE ARE realistic in the greed-fear (and even demand - offer) department. If you buy smart you will make money afterwards.
0.01 ISKers are those who have no idea what a market is about, go for the natural low barrier entry feature and thus just try making money by staying on top of the buy / sell orders.
They are not bots but they act like them and look like they are them.
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Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:26:00 -
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The market bots are the greatest thing ever, they let you do things like this:
http://phuzion.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/9c/9cb39535860b7880e5503206a91bfd96a014ed20.jpg
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CarnegieSteel
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:37:00 -
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Even if the market were run ENTIRELY by bots, that would only make it more realistic.
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrasith on 28/01/2011 16:55:07
There are a couple of important points that havent been made yet so here they are:
You asked why CCP is harder on RMT'ers than on Bots.
Think of it this way. RMT'ers = BOTS. They are largely the exact same thing or used by the same groups of people. How do you think they get the RMT to sell? Usually scripted bots, or they are "farming" certain sites (usually by script too). Therefore, if you get rid of the RMT's you will have an impact on the bots.
There are some cases where market folks use scripts to reduce the tedium of the .01 market game, however, they still have to be there in person to do that work. It isnt fully automated at all. It just reduces the clicking burden.
In addition, as others pointed out, its hard to tell who the scripters are and who the players are - which means its easier to ban the RMT'ers and go after them, as opposed to getting false positives and banning an actual player (its easier to prove RMT, too).
Lastly - someone mentioned above the 'no lifers' who play the .01 game. I was actually one of those people for many months. I worked from home, work was slow, so I spent a large part of the day (almost every 1-2 minutes for hours and hours on end) doing the .01 game. Man did my carpul tunnel flare up. It was highly successful for a time, I made billions in the market, but eventually got so sick of it I had to stop doing it, and really havent done it much since (makes me kind of sick to think of doing it again tbh). Some have more fortitutde than that and are willing to tolerate the tedium. My point is - it can look like a bot, but some of them actually arent.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Daxine Myth
When I first read about EVE in gaming magazines it described about a fully functioning economy driven by actual player supply and demand. Having played the game for 14 days and just moved from trial account to paid account I have realised that this is a complete exaggeration.
The Eve market place is no different to another games market system and is little better than markets on single player games such as Freelance or any other console RPG market. The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots. Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots which just leaves a sterile feeling similar to that of another single player game.
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
Eve would be so much better with out the bots.
Every player with an IQ above normal should have at least considered the idea of developing a market bot, those that are exceptionally bright aren't even playing this game or are enjoying other aspects of it. Why would any of the aforementioned players want to compete with idiots and no life ****tards on an equal basis? It makes no sense.
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2011.01.28 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Cheque Please on 28/01/2011 18:22:27
Most of the market "bots" are actually just .01 PvP'ers with lots of free time / awesome job
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2011.01.28 20:05:00 -
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<--- isn't a bot and pulls in X billions in ISK clearing trades each month.
And I'm a small fry compared to other guys on here.
Just fyi, most of my buy orders are filled by people selling 1 of an item and most of sells are people buying 1 of an item. I rarely see bulk movements that would indicate someone was able to stock up through botting and then sell. The activity, imho, looks more like players doing a mission, selling items from the wrecks. Sometimes I see a big LP cash out.
FWIW, i've heard that ratting botters don't even loot their wrecks - too much stuff. They just take faction and officer mods. So for all other items, i don't think there is as much an influence.
Mining... maybe more macro miners. Who cares? it is skill-less anyway.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2011.01.28 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/01/2011 17:41:41
Originally by: Daxine Myth
When I first read about EVE in gaming magazines it described about a fully functioning economy driven by actual player supply and demand. Having played the game for 14 days and just moved from trial account to paid account I have realised that this is a complete exaggeration.
The Eve market place is no different to another games market system and is little better than markets on single player games such as Freelance or any other console RPG market. The majority of high value items on the EVE market are produced or ratted using scrips and bots. Many of the top market sell and buy orders are also controlled by bots which just leaves a sterile feeling similar to that of another single player game.
I'm just disappointed and I think CCP's claims of a dynamic player driven market place are un true when in reality it is controlled by computer programs all be it on several top players accounts.
Eve would be so much better with out the bots.
Every player with an IQ above normal should have at least considered the idea of developing a market bot, those that are exceptionally bright aren't playing this game for long or are enjoying other aspects of it. Why would any of the aforementioned players want to compete with idiots and no life ****tards on an equal basis? It makes no sense.
My experience has always been that the market bots (or at least the visible .01 type) that I encounter are NOT created by people who are more intelligent then average. The behavior of the bots is appalling at best. The issue is that good market decisions in EVE require some level of human understanding. An item might be on a 2 month long manipulation voyage just waiting for someone to come along and get trounced on. These kinds of things are readily apparent to good traders based mostly on visual recognition, which is not easily converted into mathematical formulae.
If you aspire to creating a macro to improve your trading you're doing it wrong.
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