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Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:22:00 -
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The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up. I have seen new players mining from 3 asteroids that were the only ones left in the system. Since the mining barge changes this is happening every day it seems. This could become a problem where new players might get discouraged and quit playing.
If I want to go mining in these systems I either have to run a lv 1 mission or scan down someone and run in with mining barge just to go mine some veld (in hopes of getting something much better of course). I guess you could say I am ninja mining but that isn't really doable for new players.
The only thing I can think is to ad some new type of roid that is really large and worth 1/4 that of veldspar. Dull veldspar maybe? Something keep new players happy that they are able to go out and do something other than run system to system looking for a lone rock worth maybe 100,000 isk.
As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends. |
Sentamon
174
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:27:00 -
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
640
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:28:00 -
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get away from trade hubs and you will have no issue with finding minerals |
Cedar Locus
Explodation
41
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:29:00 -
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why did i click this link? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9193
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:29:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:This could become a problem where new players might get discouraged and quit playing. GǪor learn the lesson so many old-timers seem to have trouble learning: that there's plenty of highsec and no shortage of asteroids.
Not a problem with barges; in fact, not really a problem to begin withGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
60
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:32:00 -
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nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well. |
Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:33:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:
As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.
I'm going to guess some of you didn't read the whole thing. .. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:33:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote: I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.
I see your problem.
I know the solution:
Spread your wings.
Nb, I was really tempted to Haiku the response, but it's too warm and I've got my car to wash. |
Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:39:00 -
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Korsiri wrote:nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well.
Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not.
Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem. |
Ron Swanson III
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:43:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote: this is a problem.
No. It isn't. The only problem is you're too lazy to move to one of the hundreds of other systems full of Asteroids. That's not a game problem, that's a you problem.
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Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
23
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Posted - 2012.08.19 18:47:00 -
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Ron Swanson III wrote:Evil Cleaner wrote: this is a problem. No. It isn't. The only problem is you're too lazy to move to one of the hundreds of other systems full of Asteroids. That's not a game problem, that's a you problem.
I Probably wouldn't word my thoughts quite as abrasively, but .... He's got a point. =)
And yes, since patch, there's a mining frenzy going on. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4476
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:05:00 -
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Good. hisec should not be immune to resource shortages
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
MadMuppet
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
525
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:12:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:Korsiri wrote:nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well. Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not. Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem.
The leap to .7 in a mining barge requires a civilian shield booster for protection, and that was before the barge buff. Not much of a leap.
If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
591
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:17:00 -
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How to find asteroids:
- Wait for weekend
- Use a web map to find systems with a large number of belts (above 20)
- Check those systems in the game map until you find one that has low population (ideally, less than 2 pilots in space per belt during weekend)
- move your assets there and begin operations as usual
- profit
"We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..."
Seriously, Team Avatar? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
587
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:23:00 -
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Plenty of asteroids out in nullsec. So many asteroids that I doubt you'll be able to mine them all. And when you do, you just get more. Oh wait, high sec. Yeah, well, at least you're "safe", right? |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
71
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:24:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up. I have seen new players mining from 3 asteroids that were the only ones left in the system. Since the mining barge changes this is happening every day it seems. This could become a problem where new players might get discouraged and quit playing.
If I want to go mining in these systems I either have to run a lv 1 mission or scan down someone and run in with mining barge just to go mine some veld (in hopes of getting something much better of course). I guess you could say I am ninja mining but that isn't really doable for new players.
The only thing I can think is to ad some new type of roid that is really large and worth 1/4 that of veldspar. Dull veldspar maybe? Something keep new players happy that they are able to go out and do something other than run system to system looking for a lone rock worth maybe 100,000 isk.
As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.
So what your saying is you are mining in the system that every noob who joins the game and all of the lazy people mine in and you want to know why the rocks are gone? |
Antisocial Malkavian
211
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:25:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:Evil Cleaner wrote:
As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.
I'm going to guess some of you didn't read the whole thing. ..
ah then yopure crying for no reason. Report it for no content
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you will be harvested |
Toko Too
BlackLung Blues.inc
Nobilium Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:34:00 -
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What is asteroids? |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts
Test Alliance Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:10:00 -
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Quote:
The only thing I can think is to ad some new type of roid that is really large and worth 1/4 that of veldspar. Dull veldspar maybe?
Like, spodumain? We got that all over nullsec, feel free to come and mine some. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
641
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:12:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:Korsiri wrote:nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well. Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not. Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem.
yes, and only caldari noobies start anywhere near jita to begin with.
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
443
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:28:00 -
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Newbies do the tutorials and move. If they don't do the tutorials then they just move. There's no problem. |
Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:31:00 -
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So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you? |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
15
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:32:00 -
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Get together with other miners, form up mining fleets, and go tackle the systems that have belts and no stations. |
Elvis Fett
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
31
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:37:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?
So if your only concern is new people, why not just seed the systems new people are in with a bunch of asteroids with only 75m3 of veld in them. People in exhumers won't even bother targeting these asteroids. It sounds to me someone is too lazy/scared to move more than a few jumps from Jita to mine... You sound like those people in Freelancer that ***** about being so rich that their wallet can't hold any more money. |
Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:38:00 -
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How many people did you know or trust even a little bit in your first 30 minutes of playing this game? Im going to guess none.
System: go collect some ore...
player: There is no ore here.
3 systems later still no ore... You getting the point yet? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4477
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:39:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?
If it's such a problem, why are you mining anywhere near those systems?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:48:00 -
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Elvis Fett wrote:
So if your only concern is new people, why not just seed the systems new people are in with a bunch of asteroids with only 75m3 of veld in them.[/url]
Thank you the first person to make a suggestion. Too bad it wont work though. As I pointed out these guys target everything. Its mainly the new players that are getting screwed. Who knows maybe enough super low yield roids will keep them away.
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Evil Cleaner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you? If it's such a problem, why are you mining anywhere near those systems?
Supply and demand. Trit and mex prices are rather high & Easy to grab ore in one region rather than risk flying in a freighter full of it in from another region.
supply & demand combined with risk vs reward...
That and you have convinced me that most of you want this company to fail. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
151
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:01:00 -
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Cedar Locus wrote:why did i click this link?
its like a troll that doesnt know hes a troll.
hidden troll 
qfmjt-1 |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
15
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:18:00 -
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I thought the mining tutorial gave you a warp point to a spawned rock O.o |
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