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D3F4ULT
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:22:00 -
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I don't see the problem with game mechanics.
Points:
A) Market is driven by supply and demand.
B) Supply is limited (daily).
C) First come first serve.
As supply closest to market is depleated the resource becomes more valued. The resource is then brought in from further and further away where the number of belts tenfold as you expand your distance from the center point (Trade hub).
thus, you have plenty of astroid belts to mine, but your "work" is doubled in effort (Though you act like this **** is breaking your back). If you can't simply comprehend this nature of economics then I'm safe to say this game isn't for you.
I, and quite a few people here, am not worried about Subscription numbers, look at graphs since release and the game has been fine for many years and the same mechanic has been in place.
TL;DR: Working as intended.
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Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
23
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:29:00 -
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bleh, my troll-dar is blaring.....
unsubscribing, too hard for me to believe that "moving systems" is a difficult concept for anyone. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
845
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:31:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:That and you have convinced me that most of you want this company to fail.
Malcanis's Law: Anything done to supposedly benefit younger, poorer player is invariably to the greater benefit of older, richer players.
- You can't give newbies [too much] "protection" without making it attractive for veterans to pump out alts and use said "protecttion" to their advantage.
- You can't increase the amount of asteroids out in high-sec... because then more people would mine in relative safety and bring the prices of minerals down... leaving those who can't mine on an industrial scale with less potential money.
- Creating a special "newbie asteroid" won't work because it will STILL be mined away when everything else in the immediate area has been gobbled up.
- Creating "itty bitty" asteroids for newbies won't worth because THEY TOO will be mined away when everything else has been depleted.
Plus... CCP's intention (and design) was to make resources "scarce" in areas with high population... thus "forcing" people to spread out and populate other areas of the game.
Jita, and the area surrounding Jita, has one of the highest concentrations of players in the the game. It should not be surprising that most of the asteroids are gone given that they are anemic when they respawn (which is caused by game mechanics in response to over harvesting) and they fierce competition for said anemic 'roids by so many people.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:38:00 -
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Toko Too wrote:What is asteroids?
Kids these days...
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1871
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:56:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:Korsiri wrote:nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well. Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not. Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem.
A Minmatar pilot could spawn in a system whose first neighbour system is 0.5 sec and the next one is a perma-camped 0.4 sec.
Caldari have it too easy.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:57:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up. I have seen new players mining from 3 asteroids that were the only ones left in the system. Since the mining barge changes this is happening every day it seems. This could become a problem where new players might get discouraged and quit playing.
If I want to go mining in these systems I either have to run a lv 1 mission or scan down someone and run in with mining barge just to go mine some veld (in hopes of getting something much better of course). I guess you could say I am ninja mining but that isn't really doable for new players.
The only thing I can think is to ad some new type of roid that is really large and worth 1/4 that of veldspar. Dull veldspar maybe? Something keep new players happy that they are able to go out and do something other than run system to system looking for a lone rock worth maybe 100,000 isk.
As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.
Just curious, but would you complain to your Mayor if there wasn't a McDonalds withing 2 blocks of your house?
Like I said, just curious... You must have a horribly rough life. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1871
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:58:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?
How many new players skip the mission with the privately "just for them" spawned ore and then go cry on the forums?
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:00:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:Malcanis wrote:Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you? If it's such a problem, why are you mining anywhere near those systems? Supply and demand. Trit and mex prices are rather high & Easy to grab ore in one region rather than risk flying in a freighter full of it in from another region. supply & demand combined with risk vs reward... That and you have convinced me that most of you want this company to fail.
So in actual fact, you are part of the problem you're talking about.
One idea might be to stop mining barges from entering the rookie systems. That would end the problem for new players.
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Mutant Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:01:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:Korsiri wrote:nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well. Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not. Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem.
I was in null sec within 10 days of starting yet these days newbies aren't ready to go into a high sec system below .8 after a day or 10? Jesus christ. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
104
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:16:00 -
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Good. Maybe this will encourage more New players to do something other then mine. I say, reduce the high sec roid respawn even further. Tons of roids not being used in lowsec.
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Kalen Pavle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:18:00 -
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Mutant Caldari wrote:Evil Cleaner wrote:Korsiri wrote:nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.
Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well. Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not. Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem. I was in null sec within 10 days of starting yet these days newbies aren't ready to go into a high sec system below .8 after a day or 10? Jesus christ.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1258
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:28:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts?
My guess ? About none, give or take zilch. If you want to know for sure, create a fresh char (optionally on a new trial if you have no free slots) and see what the tutorial is like nowadays.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T
http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T
T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:55:00 -
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So I made a noob and I'm too scared to undock. Where is my 'roids for my mining mission?
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Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
56
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:00:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:So I made a noob and I'm too scared to undock. Where is my 'roids for my mining mission?
I already mined every roid in every noob system. SORRY!
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Angelica Hybrith
Tactical Nuclear Penguin Society
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:37:00 -
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Pure rubbish.
I mine through a 10 system run and every belt has plenty of roids, the only one that never has is THE noob system in my run, which is the same as it always has been.
I'd change region if I were you, might find that the ISK asking price is higher ;) |
lanyaie
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:41:00 -
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There is a problem with your intelligence
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
163
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:43:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:close to jita
If you can't stand the heat. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:51:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? I recently started a new Caldari character who is in the process of running the tutorials to get the freebie skills, ships etc. She got to the 'find a belt and mine some ore' mission and, yes, all the local belts in the newbie system were mined out - nothing new there. What did I do? I jumped into the next system (there's only one gate out of a tutorial system) and found acre upon acre of unmined asteroids with only a handful of miners in system.
Ffs! Where is the problem?
Hypercake Mix wrote:I thought the mining tutorial gave you a warp point to a spawned rock O.o Not in every case (see above).
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:59:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Just curious, but would you complain to your Mayor if there wasn't a McDonalds withing 2 blocks of your house?
Like I said, just curious... You must have a horribly rough life.
I think I might complain more that I didn't want a McDonald's within 2 blocks of my house. Horrible stuff, that.
And for the OP, yes, there is a lot of mining going on at the moment that will probably die down. I found someone cleaning out a whole pipeline of systems far from any hubs, but I just moved over a few systems. |
Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
56
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Posted - 2012.08.20 00:08:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:I jumped into the next system (there's only one gate out of a tutorial system) and found acre upon acre of unmined asteroids with only a handful of miners in system.
Wait. You mean other systems besides n00b systems have roids?
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MadMuppet
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
525
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:14:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?
If that is an issue then CCP can modify the mission to put a couple asteroids in a mission room.
If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
515
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:40:00 -
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Empire asteroids should stop respawning, or have their respawn rate vastly reduced.
Want fresh asteroids? Go blow up a planet and make some. |
Sentamon
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:19:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Empire asteroids should stop respawning, or have their respawn rate vastly reduced.
Want fresh asteroids? Go blow up a planet and make some.
Something like this would be a sweet feature.
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:24:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up. I have seen new players mining from 3 asteroids that were the only ones left in the system. Since the mining barge changes this is happening every day it seems. This could become a problem where new players might get discouraged and quit playing.
If I want to go mining in these systems I either have to run a lv 1 mission or scan down someone and run in with mining barge just to go mine some veld (in hopes of getting something much better of course). I guess you could say I am ninja mining but that isn't really doable for new players.
The only thing I can think is to ad some new type of roid that is really large and worth 1/4 that of veldspar. Dull veldspar maybe? Something keep new players happy that they are able to go out and do something other than run system to system looking for a lone rock worth maybe 100,000 isk.
As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.
First this is wrong. I have never seen a .8 system all mined out. I do not mine in .9 or above so I can not say about those..
But EVE was built upon laws of supply and demand. That much is working as intended. If all of those are mined out then go elsewhere. You first clue should be that area you are in is too crowded. Move. Or put up with it. Those are the choices EVE presents you with and working as intended.
Or you can attempt to gank all your competition or hire gankers to clean them out. This is EVE and you are in control of your game. CCP is not your go to for this. CCP has given you all the tools you need in game to solve your own problems.
Use them or suffer. The choice is yours.
Jita is your problem. It is way over crowded. Their are other places in EVE to trade. Jita is not the only place.
Herr Hammer Draken
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
533
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:38:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Jita is your problem. It is way over crowded. Their are other places in EVE to trade. Jita is not the only place.
Lies all lies. Jita is a wonderful place never overcrowded and with lovely markets just waiting to take your orders or your goods.
This message brought to you by the "Jita Trading Council"
Always remember Jita for all your luxury needs, now open 23 1/2 hours a day 
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pussnheels
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:33:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up.
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i underlined your problem
and people are suprised when they are called carebears , ...really shocking
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Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:40:00 -
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I think in fact that the only systems in ALL OF EVE that are mined out are those .8 or higher systems near Jita. The author of this thread wants everyone to believe that this is a major issue for EVE and CCP has to fix it when it is only local to the few systems around Jita. It happens there because of the crowds around Jita. If you want to live their you need to understand the unique problems that go with it. Over crowding.
Go anywhere else in EVE to the starter systems and plenty of roids exsist even in the 1.0 systems. This is ONLY a Jita issue.
Herr Hammer Draken
"The Amarr Prophet" |
Boston Bradley
The Concordiat
The Jagged Alliance
38
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Posted - 2012.08.20 09:21:00 -
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You can't be lazy and expect to just be given everything. Go LOOK for asteroids, go FIND your own belts, and STOP WHINING! |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion
Red Alliance
242
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Posted - 2012.08.20 09:42:00 -
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Evil Cleaner wrote:So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts?
hm.... interesting question.... 
let me try: ask in Local chat/corp chat "hey, i'm new. where can i find 25 m3 of Veldspar?"
When i was newb people used chats to communicate and cooperate....
Evil Cleaner wrote:edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?
well Troll can't live without food. Don't feed him and he leaves you. Think about it  |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
533
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Posted - 2012.08.20 10:46:00 -
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That is why Trolls love whiners, It feeds the beasts.
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