Cearain wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I think some of the old school Amarr became a bit obsessed with moaning to be quite honest. To many of its groups became very restricted in their tactics and gameplay outlook and simply failed to adapt to the demands of the warzone. Sure everyone can complain and grumble about gunless-farming-alts or whatnot but they don't really matter. ...
Actually they are all that matter for the plexing game. The actual pvpers and results of their battles, have very little impact on the occupancy war.
I don't buy it Cearain really. I think all this talk of mobs of plexing alts is completely overblown. The reality is that you guys collectively (The amarr militia) just didn't want to defensive plex or risk basing in the warzone post Inferno.) You had the numbers (in pvpers) you had the equipment, the firepower, the capital support (which could have been used for logistics efforts and lifts between staging systems rather than sitting on silly hotdrops).
You guys had massive numerical advantage at times but you squandered it (again collectively) by having the old school aversion to plex warfare and the idea of a caste division between "those that are here for pvp" and those that are here for the occupancy war.
I think the leading organizations in the Amarr militia are the ones that lost it for you. Blaming hordes of anonymous farming alts (lots of them from the amarr) is just missing the point. If you have your leaders and fc's saying they aren't interested in the occupancy war and your oldest established corps and alliances running for the hills and away from the vulnerable warzone then you end up building a culture of defeat that breeds only losers in the long term.
I have no idea whatsoever how with Fweddit, Nulli, Tears, and your USTZ dominance you guys were incapable of rolling Huola in the last month. That was the crux of the war really - nothing to do with alt farming characters in apocryphally-gunless t1 frigates.
I think the pvpers and their battles have everything to do with Faction War because that's the morale, the mythology, the heroism and the shared experience that bind a militia together and make it a fighting force with desire to fight and win - rather than being a channel full of greedy selfish whingers that refuse to defend their own staging systems without somebody else to hold their hands.
Sorry Cearain - I think you are a decent guy - but you are WAY too fixated on the alt-plexing farming stuff and I think your strategy of staking all on a vulnerability exploit (small "e") for a grand tier 5 cashout against an undefeated Matari militia with its staging systems intact was extremely poor. You made the mistake of going for the cynical money grab rather than trying to win the war and it cost you in the long term.
When you had the advantages of Fweddit Nullli Hun and the rest you guys should have been purging Auga, Dal, Huola and driving minmatar back to Bosboger and hisec. Your infinite vulnerability really misfired in a big way. Winning faction war is not about milking the system and making alts rich - its about breaking the will of enemy pvp corps and alliances and winning the occupancy fights that matter in the home systems.
In the future I think the Amarr Militia can recover, but it needs to forget ALL the things its veterans THINK they know. You need to start from the beginning - forget any concept of alt farming meta nonsense and work on building a good place to play for those that want to take joy in Eve PVP and are prepared to fly together and build a community. It might take years - but you have to get over this alt-plexing obsession or just walk yourself - because at the moment the Amarrian old guard are the worst enemies to Amarrian recovery in this warzone.