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Arrakis Fremen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:33:00 -
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As I was finishing a lvl 4 mission at Dodixie a Catalyst showed up and started taking the loot from my wrecks, which made her turn red to me. I was in a Domi at the time but decided not to engage her in case she had back up cloaked near by. My question is if I shot at her what kinda of senarios could occur? This is the first time I have someone enter my mission. Bit of a noob here but how did she find me? What are my options? I was a bit pissed that someone came and started taking my loot. Since I had just finished with the mission I returned to the station and came back with my Noctis. I was able to get about 6 mil of loot and salvage from a mission I should have got around 12 mil. Is there something I can do in the future to prevent this? She was from a corp called Suddenly Ninjas so I assume this is what they do to make ISK. Should I avoid running missions from major hubs to reduce the chance of this happing again? |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
16
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:49:00 -
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Ninja salvagers. Your best option is to move to a quieter mission system. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:09:00 -
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Happens to me a bit in Dodixie as well, and once or twice (ever) in adjacent systems.
They found you with combat probes, advanced versions of scanning probes that can find player ships.
In highsec, either they are in a disposable frigate and if you shoot at them the ship loss won't hurt them at all, or else they feel they have an overwhelming combat advantage and are looking for a fight.
I mission in a Dominix and so can usually spare two high slots for a tractor beam and salvager. But when I get a ninja salvager in my missions, I just blow up any of my wrecks that they will beat me to. If they are looking for a fight it tells them they won't get it, and if they are looking to steal, they also will get nothing. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
610
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:09:00 -
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TEARS are actually fun guys. But yes, they wanted you to open fire. They make their big hauls on getting agro and then nuking mission ships.
As for how they found you... combat probes. It's ludicrously easy to locate and pinpoint high sec missioners as they pretty much never bother using dscan. And since you're working out of Dodixie, there are so many missioners around anyhow that you wouldn't know whether the probes were meant for you or not. (By the by, Suddenly Ninjas is based in Dodixie, so if you want to avoid them, move; not to Aunia as it's not nearly far enough).
How do you deal with them? Mostly ignore them. If you do decide to shoot, know full well there's backup coming quite shortly. It's not really a big deal for the most part. I usually blue my wrecks and see if I can trigger a new wave just to see where the agro lands. Well, actually I pretty much don't run missions anymore, but back when I did.... |
Rita May
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:24:00 -
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From my point of view you've made two mistakes:
First:
Arrakis Fremen wrote:... a lvl 4 mission at Dodixie ...
Second:
Arrakis Fremen wrote:... a lvl 4 mission at Dodixie ... 
But you did the right thing in NOT shooting at him 
Best advice has already been given: Move somewhere quite(r).
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Arrakis Fremen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:35:00 -
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Quote: (By the by, Suddenly Ninjas is based in Dodixie, so if you want to avoid them, move; not to Aunia as it's not nearly far enough).
As it happens I did move to Aunia. Guess I'll go back to my normal missioning systems about 6 of 7 jumps away. I had just moved to Dodixie because this is where I take all my stuff to sell. Thought I would try the agent at Dodixie so I wouldn't have haul it there all the time. Oh well, this agent didn't pay as much anyway. |
chapter13
All Around Research Inc
Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:44:00 -
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This is bad information.
It's my understanding that if they steal your loot and turn red, you can safely engage them. Any cloaky corpmates can not engage you, only them. they can have corp mates come in and rep them, but not engage you. So if you can pop them, do it. I got a heron doing that recently.
Salvaging is different. Wrecks are open for anyone to salvage, if they ninja salvage, they won't turn red and you can not engage. It sucks, but that's the way it is.
If they turn red from stealing your loot....pop 'em. they're corpies can't attack you for that.
If they have a solid ship and/or someone comes in to rep them during the fight, you may lose. Consider it before engaging. |
chapter13
All Around Research Inc
Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:45:00 -
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BTW, I got a sister scan probe launcher off the heron. Working the highly populated mission hubs and making these kills can have some benefits  |
Veryez
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:04:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:
As for how they found you... combat probes. It's ludicrously easy to locate and pinpoint high sec missioners as they pretty much never bother using dscan. And since you're working out of Dodixie, there are so many missioners around anyhow that you wouldn't know whether the probes were meant for you or not.
Most of your post is good info, but this could easily be a bit misleading. Using dscan in dodi would never be helpful as you'll always see probes there. Using dscan will not keep you safe (safer yes, but not safe), a good prober will find you (and only you) in about a minute, if they know what they are doing. At best dscan might give you a minute warning before you are going to be attacked, hopefully you're not scrambled in a mission during that time. |
chapter13
All Around Research Inc
Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:13:00 -
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Veryez wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:
As for how they found you... combat probes. It's ludicrously easy to locate and pinpoint high sec missioners as they pretty much never bother using dscan. And since you're working out of Dodixie, there are so many missioners around anyhow that you wouldn't know whether the probes were meant for you or not.
Most of your post is good info, but this could easily be a bit misleading. Using dscan in dodi would never be helpful as you'll always see probes there. Using dscan will not keep you safe (safer yes, but not safe), a good prober will find you (and only you) in about a minute, if they know what they are doing. At best dscan might give you a minute warning before you are going to be attacked, hopefully you're not scrambled in a mission during that time.
You won't magically be attacked. They can't attack you unless you engage them first. If you're scrambled....don't. |
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Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
37
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:20:00 -
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The best advice here and you can see how many already posted it already, MOVE, MOVE, MOVE, go to a place where lvl 4 mission agents are spread over systems 1 or 2 jumps apart, remember cht salvagers are for the most part lazy which is why they resort to stealing from others, save a hi slot for a tractor to pull in large or valuable wrecks, loot them then come back in Noctis to salvage them, know that using a large BS especially very well known mission ships put you at the top of the list for theves to investigate. |
chapter13
All Around Research Inc
Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:28:00 -
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I don't understand why you would move? The worst case scenario here, if you don't engage, is someone steals your salvage (not loot). If you hustle a noctis in, you'll get most of it. If you can't, tractor beam and salvage on the spot, leave the loot, they can't take that without receiving aggro. If they do, pop them.
Engage, kill them. It's unlikely you'll lose a ship.
Most of these folks will have scan probes, launchers, etc. You'll make more than you lose over time. And it feels awesome besides. SHOOT THEM. They fact that so many people misunderstand the mechanics of this (thieving, aggro, etc) make these thieves complacent and easier targets. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:29:00 -
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best advice so far is shooting the wrecks. this will show the ninja that you know the game and he won't get what he wants from you, no ISK and no PvP.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel
Templis Dragonaors
21
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:31:00 -
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The key is: if you shoot at the thief, then the thief (and probably corpmates waiting for the thief to call for backup) can blast away at you without worrying about CONCORD. And they'll probably be loaded to rip open a mission-fit ship.
Of course, if you've got your own corpmates looking for a scrap, you can always engage when the thief goes flashy, and then call your own backup to try and stomp on the gankers... |
chapter13
All Around Research Inc
Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:34:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:The key is: if you shoot at the thief, then the thief (and probably corpmates waiting for the thief to call for backup) can blast away at you without worrying about CONCORD. And they'll probably be loaded to rip open a mission-fit ship.
Of course, if you've got your own corpmates looking for a scrap, you can always engage when the thief goes flashy, and then call your own backup to try and stomp on the gankers...
As I said above, the thief can engage, not the corpmates. They can rep him, not fight you. That's one of the misconceptions that keeps people from engaging. Shoot them.... |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
77
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:55:00 -
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Finding quieter systems is a good start.
Unless you're willing to pick a fight against something built to murder a mission fit (even if he is not flying that at that moment), avoid engaging above all else. No single L4 is worth it in loot or salvage to risk loosing a mission boat in the likely chance that catalyst warps off the moment you sneeze in his direction and shows up a few minutes later in a gank-zilla.
On the other hand, if you're feeling lucky and don't give a damn, by all means lock'em up and go bananas...you will likely loose though. |
chapter13
All Around Research Inc
Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:00:00 -
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You can choose whether to engage them or not based on the ship. If it's a frig...that's generally an easy call. Good point though, they could have a pvp fitted ship in local docked and come right back. That's a point to consider :) |
DankoShepard
CutThroat Mining and Manufacturing
S.T.C.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:03:00 -
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You can attack the thieve and the corpmates of that guy won't have the right to shoot at you.
If you decide to engage the thieve and you pop it then get to a safe place until timer goes off, that way he'll find nothing if he comes back in a pvp ship trying to kill your mission ship.
If you do not want to engage the thieve shoot at the wrecks, they'll get tired or bored and will leave you alone, but don't move because of a guy stealing some wrecks, there are sooo many pussies playing this game. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
192
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Posted - 2012.09.06 21:43:00 -
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chapter13 wrote:You can choose whether to engage them or not based on the ship. If it's a frig...that's generally an easy call. Good point though, they could have a pvp fitted ship in local docked and come right back. That's a point to consider :)
This. Except, they want you to shoot their disposable cheap ship so they can come back in a pvp ship conveniently waiting in a station or a nearby Orca. Personally, I would not pvp in a pve ship.
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Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.09.10 19:27:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:chapter13 wrote:You can choose whether to engage them or not based on the ship. If it's a frig...that's generally an easy call. Good point though, they could have a pvp fitted ship in local docked and come right back. That's a point to consider :) This. Except, they want you to shoot their disposable cheap ship so they can come back in a pvp ship conveniently waiting in a station or a nearby Orca. Personally, I would not pvp in a pve ship.
The ninja looter (not salvager...salvaging never makes them red...) either wants easy loot or an easy kill.
Or both.
Typical ninja loots in a frig or dessie, and will have a dedicated pvp boat stashed nearby/insystem in case you pop them.
Really blatant ninjas will pop into your mission with a corpmate flying an Orca, so they can get aggro on you and then switch ships onsite.....
Remember that if they have a corpy repping them, with the new aggro mechanics the repper goes red to you too (no more 'neutral' RR anymore...) and you may have a chance to bag the repper as well as the ninja....
And always remember...it helps to have friends.....
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
136
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Posted - 2012.09.11 09:34:00 -
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Scenario 1 - You open fire, kill the cata, cata pilot comes back in something bigger and kills you.
Scenario 2 - You open fire, don't kill the cata, he warps off then comes back in something bigger and kills you
Scenario 3 - You open fire, don't kill the cata, his buddy warps in and reps him and you eventually die to a cata...
Scenario 4 - You open fire, kill the cata and imediately go back to station to wait out aggro. He comes back in bigger ship and is frustrated as you are not there so he steals all the loot and if there are any triggers in the mission he triggers them so the mission is harder for you. If there is a key item he steals it and ransoms it to you.
Scenario 5 - you get a pvp ship then come back and open fire, his buddies warp in with RR and you die.
There are more, but you get the idea. |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.09.11 12:38:00 -
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Scenario 6:
You lay a massive trap for the ninja's and have alot of corpies warp in when the ninjas' least expect it.
Hilarity ensues.
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Backfyre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:07:00 -
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1. Quieter system is a good start. Especially since the agents were all normalized, there is little need to mission in a highly populated system.
2. Fit a salvager / tractor and salvage / loot the battleships as you go. Marauders are great for this. Domi a very good choice too.
3. NEVER engage unless you are PvP fit - web, scram and omni-tank for starters. A frigate will take down a battleship. Just look at the battleclinic killboard. Had a corp mate lose a raven to a frigate in a situation like this.
4. Keep D-scan open and current. Keep an eye on scan ships in the system. If you see a single combat probe on d-scan, leave the mission. If you see 4 on d-scan, they likely already have you pinpointed so go grab a PvP ship or your salvager.
5. Don't frett too much. This is a game. Everybody gets ninja'd. This just happened to be your turn... |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:51:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Ninja salvagers.
Nope. Ninja looters. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
132
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Posted - 2012.09.12 01:02:00 -
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Move somewhere quieter.
Don't shoot him because he probably has a PvP ship ready to rip you open docked somewhere nearby. |
Hoeto Popo
Empire Carebears
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:28:00 -
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I had some dude Warp into a level 4 I was running in my drake Sunday night.
The wrecks were spead over a couple of hundred KM so I was watching him fly all the way over to one of the wrecks and start his salvagers going, then shooting the wreck he was at.
I spent a good 10 miniutes following him about killing my own loot.
I think he may have become frustrated.
He/She sent me this email
From:Littlefix
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Is this reverse tears? whack it in google translate, Its funny. |
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:07:00 -
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Have they fixed it yet so that a remote repper of a red becomes a red as well? Or will you get Concorded for attacking the repper? |
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
10
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:37:00 -
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Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:Have they fixed it yet so that a remote repper of a red becomes a red as well? Or will you get Concorded for attacking the repper?
The R/R turns red.
OP, try missioning in a cruiser. You will rarely get scanned down (it can happen, but very unlikely). Ninjas mostly look for BS pilots, as they are easier to scan. |
Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.21 09:11:00 -
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My main runs lvl 4s around Dodixie and has had this problem a few times recently. Most of the time I just cannot be bothered to salvage so when a ninja has appeared I've abandoned the wrecks and told them to help themselves.
On occasions they've been polite & responded with a thank you but when I get one who doesn't I try to time the mission rat spawns so that when the next wave comes I gtfo, let the thief have the agro and then return a bit later when they've cleared off. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
162
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Posted - 2012.09.23 08:44:00 -
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Or you could give up on salvaging and looting. Some people have suggested that doing another mission (or even blitzing them) is as profitable as cleaning up afterwards if not more so.
There is even a Corp (I don-¦t recall the name, though) that pays you for mission bookmarks and its wrecks, so even more profit for you, if you choose this path.
But yes, if you insist on salvaging, move elsewhere,
Dodi and its surrounding systems apparently are a hotbed of ninjas, I did some missioning elsewhere for a year or so and never even met one, in my first week in Dodixie I got visited twice (though at that time, I didn-¦t care about the wrecks anymore)...
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