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Minaxa
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:53:00 -
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I like doing courier contracts for players. I feel like I am genuinely helping another player out. I have even gotten evemails from folks saying thanks for doing this <insert huge amount of jumps here> haul for them at a reasonable price.
Am I an MMO masochist; enjoying doing a simple profession instead of wrecking players?
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Krevnos
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:56:00 -
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Sounds a little too carebear to me. Would could always make it just a little more self-centered by snooping the contents of the contracts to see whether it's actually worth more than the collateral you have paid. Sometimes you can make a fair bit of ISK out of that. Any which aren't worth more than the collateral you could deliver as usual and thus serve the community 
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Mehrune Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:57:00 -
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If you're actually helping people, good for you. All the courier contracts I ever see are scams. I'm too lazy to do them anyway.
This one time I actually accepted a courier and broke the plastic to see what was inside. It was all empty cargo containers.
I was so ****ed.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:58:00 -
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On the one hand, MMOs won't work if people don't build communities. Helping these people out is strengthening the player community. That's a good thing.
On the other hand, how are you going to betray trust if you don't have it?
Me, I'm a big carebear. I prefer building relationships with people who I intend to stick with for a long time. It takes all types to make this game what it is.
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Minaxa
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Posted - 2011.01.31 20:59:00 -
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How about if 1 in 5 of the contracts I take I open the container and take the loot? Better?
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:00:00 -
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most of my courier contracts are resolved within a day. so, thank you :)
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Pharaik
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:02:00 -
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I think on every fifth courier contract you should send them lyrics to your favourite pet shop boy song and see if they send you a generous tip!
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:05:00 -
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In theory the profession is pretty cool imo. However the payment is just too low. I mean it's really gross what people expect from you for a few hundred k.
Logistics are just a bit too simple for this "mini profession" to work out. If we had no autopilot and freighters weren't so easy to get in maybe that would already change a lot. Space the empires out a little with low or nullsec in between and you're set. However eve isn't a day job but a game and so ccp ultimately values convenience over depth of gameplay or so I believe.
If it gives you a good feeling maybe you should stick with it.
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I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mehrune Khan
This one time I actually accepted a courier and broke the plastic to see what was inside. It was all empty cargo containers.
I was so ****ed.
You can actually view the contents of the package without breaking it. How ****ed are you now? 
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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rodensteiner
Amarr
Awesome Jacket Society
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:08:00 -
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Gotta admit, lately I've been running some couriers for fun. Just small ones, stuff I can fit in a thrasher.
The pay is terrible. I've moved stuff worth 300+ million and reward was like 1 million. Even more annoying is if the stuff being couriered is a few stupid little items worth a few hundred thou all up...why put up a courier for that? What's the point?
I like to think I'm making someone's life easier.
Not gonna lie, though...if I come across one where the collateral is significantly less than what the items are worth, that sh*ts mine.
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Mr M
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:11:00 -
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Personally I wouldn't do career in couriering. But, with that said I'm eternally grateful for those people who actually do. If I get the delivery as I should I don't mind to pay someone a bit extra.
I actually think people should do more services like that. I don't do missioning at the moment but I would've gladly paid some beginner to salvage them for me.
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Minaxa
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:14:00 -
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Myra2007: My hopes are that I find a few people who do frequent contracts that I can haul for. That should increase my isk/hour I think. You can view the contents of a contract?
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Volsted Gridban
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:26:00 -
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I have been tempted to run courier missions before. The problem is that I don't know enough about them to know which ones are scams. And when they all ask for 10x or 100x the value of the item in collateral, they ALL look like scams.
If someone wants to educate me on how to identify the crap from the real deal, I might be moved to pick up courier contracts from time to time.
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Minaxa
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:34:00 -
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With the new contract search tool (still in beta) you can see how long the route is and if it goes through low or null sec. That helps a lot. There is a nice write up about it on here
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beautyispain
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: beautyispain on 31/01/2011 21:35:51
Edited by: beautyispain on 31/01/2011 21:35:04
Originally by: Minaxa
I like doing courier contracts for players. I feel like I am genuinely helping another player out. I have even gotten evemails from folks saying thanks for doing this <insert huge amount of jumps here> haul for them at a reasonable price.
Am I an MMO masochist; enjoying doing a simple profession instead of wrecking players?
The important thing is that you enjoy it. When I was about 1 years old I enjoyed helping people in L4 missions on my interceptor, just looting, collecting cans and returning it to the "owner" often for a little fee. There is something rewarding about helping others and using your logistics skills and patience to move people's stuff around is fully understandable :)
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 31/01/2011 21:46:05
Originally by: Volsted Gridban
I have been tempted to run courier missions before. The problem is that I don't know enough about them to know which ones are scams. And when they all ask for 10x or 100x the value of the item in collateral, they ALL look like scams.
If someone wants to educate me on how to identify the crap from the real deal, I might be moved to pick up courier contracts from time to time.
1. Check the pickup and destination. If the security of the pickup or destination system is 0.0 don't bother, more than likely it's going to a station you won't be able to dock in.
2. Check the jumps. If there are any lowsec jumps AND the collateral is high, it's probably gatecamp bait.
3. Check the collateral, if the collateral is over what you can afford to lose and the reward is very high it's probably a gank scam.
4. Check the total volume of the contract, make sure you can move it in one go because you can't split up the load.
Other than that you should be good to go. Always check the route from the origin to the destination and make sure you're not going to hit a lowsec gate camp. Using a scout is recommended if the route takes you through lowsec or null sec.
I issue a lot of courier contracts from time to time, I generally pay a stupid amount of isk for the number of jumps (like 200k-1mil for 5-6 jumps, depending on how lazy I want to be) and the collateral is usually 2-3x what the item is worth. If you find the right issuer keep an eye out for them later, you'll probably be able to make easy money.
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Casey Jonas
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:42:00 -
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naa.. I'm thge same way.. I sneak cargo in and out of lowsec, run logistics and stabase management for my corp and scouting / recon.. It's what I like..
Sure I do some pew pew sometimes, but it's not where my skills are primarily.. What irks me is when I do join a fight and some snot is like 'ohh you are a 4 year old toon and you can't fit XYZ pvp tech 2 module?? wtf nooooob'
and i'm like 'do you like having PI and free POS fuel? STFU.. a less skilled battleship on the line is still a battleship on the line.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Minaxa
I like doing courier contracts for players. I feel like I am genuinely helping another player out. I have even gotten evemails from folks saying thanks for doing this <insert huge amount of jumps here> haul for them at a reasonable price.
Am I an MMO masochist; enjoying doing a simple profession instead of wrecking players?
As long as you get personal enjoyment out of it then why care about what others think?
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local
[19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.01.31 21:58:00 -
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I used to do this in my early days, and later on stop accepting cruft. I'll do a fair job, but asking to haul your stuff 10 jumps through lowsec for 50k with a 500mil collateral... that's just an insult if you accept it.
I think it's quite telling that the new contract interface doesn't allow you to filter rewards below a granularity of a million. Since most courier contracts outside of decent trade hubs usually reward less than that amount, it's as if CCP is implicitly telling us all these contracts are crap.
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Kitty McKitty
Gallente
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:04:00 -
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I always throw a little extra payment in than is necessary because I respect the work that haulers undertake.
Maybe you are a masochist for doing this but as long as you get some sort of reward out of it be it achievement, well being or anything even if it's not much in the way of ISK hehe.
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Triple Entendre
Emergence Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: rodensteiner
Not gonna lie, though...if I come across one where the collateral is significantly less than what the items are worth, that sh*ts mine.
See, if you have some money kicking about and a load of friends, you can make a game of this.
You each go to Jita and set a hard limit for ISK. You then each take buy one or more contracts up to the ISK limit in collateral. Without looking at the contents, you all break them open.
Winner is the one with most profit. 
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:25:00 -
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Hi Minaxa. No, you shouldn't be ashamed of yourself. In fact, be proud of yourself. There are not many gamers in any games who are like you. Willing to give freebies away.
You are not a masochist nor a carebear. You are being a human being. A very nice human being with the heart of gold in a game like Eve. May the Lord bless your soul with the lights from Bethlehem. May he shower you with much love and kindness as you have showered the other human beings in need.
You are doing a lot for the community, the heart and the soul of all that is of good in Eve. Don't ever let anyone else tell you something different. Keep up the good work.
Hallelujah!
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IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Minaxa
How about if 1 in 5 of the contracts I take I open the container and take the loot? Better?
you can look at what is in the plastic wrap before breaking it 
most courier runners get a bad rep for just blindly taking contracts and completing them for extremely low pay.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:41:00 -
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Minaxa, people like you keep me from having to skill an alt for a freighter
Having all my ships picked up within minutes of spamming local, and moved in a timely fashion, is a great service that saves people like me allot of grief.
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Minaxa
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:53:00 -
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This thread is getting more attention that I thought it would, ha.
What would everyone agree to be a fair cost per jump to haul something 20,000m3 or less?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Self Preservation Society the 2nd
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:55:00 -
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Everytime I need to fly my Orca to Jita for something, I always check the local region for couriers to take down with me (and bring back if I have room). No sense letting all that glorious cargo room go to waste, if I can make a little ISK.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Minaxa
This thread is getting more attention that I thought it would, ha.
What would everyone agree to be a fair cost per jump to haul something 20,000m3 or less?
Check out Red Frog's thread in the sell board and figure out what the m3/isk ratio is from their rates and you'll be about right for figuring out pricing....
...you could go to work for Red Frog too, I think they hire pilots...
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.31 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Minaxa
This thread is getting more attention that I thought it would, ha.
What would everyone agree to be a fair cost per jump to haul something 20,000m3 or less?
Per jump? I think it is more of the entire journey. After going there, you will still need to find good a haul near the destination to go elsewhere. I personally, take a minimum of 100k per jump. The more I jump, the more I am expected to be paid. I do not do it as intensive as you though.
The bottom lime from experience is that everything has a price. However, not everything has a value. Accepting the contract, you will need to ask yourself whether there is value in that contract like can you still make good money on your way back? After all, it is your time.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.01.31 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Minaxa
This thread is getting more attention that I thought it would, ha.
What would everyone agree to be a fair cost per jump to haul something 20,000m3 or less?
Well like I said, since CCP doesn't allow us to filter amounts in rewards below 1mil ISK, I'm going to assume the implicit answer is at least 1mil per jump. But going based on reality, and what actually gets done, I would say about 50-100k a jump. Depends where and if it's en-route to the couriers other destinations.
But you never know really, so the default rule I use is 'would I accept this contract if it were me'. And of course the ironic thing is in half the cases where the answer is yes, I just end up doing it myself.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.01 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Minaxa
Myra2007: My hopes are that I find a few people who do frequent contracts that I can haul for.
Getting to know people who have regular jobs to assign is probably your best bet. Maybe some people have so much hauling to do that the convenience of not having to do it (all) is worth a decent payment to them. For many industry purposes the hauling effort just isn't that much of a deterrence even when you're raking in billions. It may be different for others depending on scale and field of their operations (i.e. capital production) though.
Maybe there are "conveyance" corporations that already have such agreements and that you could join for mutual benefits.
That should increase my isk/hour I think. You can view the contents of a contract?
At least you could when I last did a courier job (maybe 2months ago). When you right click the package there should be an option to "view content" or some such (as opposed to breaking the package which is also a right click option). Some people use this to check if people have undercollateralized their package. Apparently some people have trouble determining a reasonable collateral (as in they will package something for 100m but only set 20m collateral). By checking the packages you can decide if it is best to deliver it or to break it and sell/use the contents for yourself.
However as mentioned this was a few months ago so you may want to test this on a low collateral package first in case they changed something with one of the patches.
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Originally by: Professor Slocombe
I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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