I appreciate that they are slow and fragile but
1) With the cost of small reps, I dont think its reasonable to expect a t2 fit - deadspace reps will be the norm.

2) Logi dont get +50% rep power, these do.

3) For PvE, the tank and speed on these is meaningless

4) For camping a plex, you can have this orbit 30km away while your main sits on the warpin

A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is nearly unbreakable in a 1v1 situation with another frigate, even a gank fitted enyo.

Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - these frigs are faster than assault frigates, gl with catching them while scrammed and webbed.

its fine that u redo the minig frigs to logi frigs but then u should redo the tormentor instead of the inquisitor

because the inquisitor is reserved as rocket missile boat (because ccp said there'll be a rocket/missile frig for every race)

think bout it ;)

wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?

I doubt Kil2 will like this.

what happened with the navitas being a drone boat? :(

So you are saying we won't get to see a Tech 1 Khanid Kingdom ship for Amarr?

Got to page 4 and saw no response to this Fozzie. While conceptually I like a tech I logi frigate and an improved tech I logi cruiser, you really need to rethink some of the current mechanics in the game. Having the remote armor reps take 5 seconds after lock forces more and bigger plates on armor frigs. This in turn reduces their mobility even more. Just another scenario of reinforcing the supremacy of shield kiting ships in the game (here at the frigate level).

Dear CCP Fozzie, there's three questions about these ships.
1. Bantam without launchers, but you say you don't want to make noobie's train 'wrong' skills?

2. Exactly same bonuses within armor/shield tank, shouldn't there be more racial diversity? such as more range but less healing or vice versa?

3. No more drones for Navitas? Just one light drone for any of the ships? Maybe do Navitas as 'repair drone' boat? (also note the string above.)

2) The stealth bomber is going to need to be redesigned since it can't be based off a logi frig hull.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but...

The new player career agent mission arcs reward several ships, including multiple copies of the old mining frigates (now logistics frigates). Last I checked, you get one of the current mining frigates (e.g. Navitas) in each of the trade and industrial chains. That was fine then, since the mining frigates could be used effectively for starter hauling, starter mining, or even starter combat L1 missioning reasonably effectively.

However, with this change, new players will be stuck with multiple hulls of a ship that they're almost certainly not going to be using for its intended role (logi) anytime soon. Might it not be a good idea to retrofit the career agent missions to reward different ships instead?

Here's the current list:

• Exploration career agent rewards 1x exploration frigate
• Trade career agent rewards 1x mining frigate and 1x industrial
• Industrial career agent rewards 1x mining frigate and 1x industrial
• Military career agent rewards 1x attack frigate and 1x other combat frigate
• Advanced military career agent rewards 1x attack frigate and 1x destroyer (and another attack frigate that you get blown up in)

Rewarding a frigate with remote rep bonuses during the trade and industrial career lines seems... odd. However there no longer seems to be a decent starter industry ship (will the industry career agents be changed to give the ORE mining frigate and skillbook, when available? Seems odd.) and the most appropriate starter trade ship is clearly the exploration frigate with its oversize cargo bay.

(also, random related career agent ship reward oddity - Gallente get a Tristan at the end of the Military mission, whereas the other races get Punisher/Merlin/Rifter. Seems Gallente should get an Incursus for consistency as it's part of the same combat frigate group)

Yep, those rewards have not been updated in quite a while. I'll double check tomorrow to make sure our New Player Experience team has a defect in the system for it (I think they already do).

I applaud this idea.

Also what about TII logistic frigs? please don't make me read 18 pages.

Sounds good. But does that also affect the local reppairers or is it only remote reppairers?

so the ships get the bonus to cut cycle time? or the better option of changing the modules themselves?

I think that's a brilliant resolution.

My main concern would become the sensor res becoming used for tackling rather than logistics. :)

So what will happen to the rigs we've applied to those mining frigates?

Doing the same with existing T1 logi cruisers? Does that mean there will also be a new ORE cruiser mining ship in the spring 2013 expansion?