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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:25:00 -
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Whoot!
Good to see not all the wall-o-texts generated by the FW crowd the past four plus years has gone unnoticed .. logi frigs has been a desired hull since the war began (would have wanted FW to be fixed though, but beggars ... ).
As for the ships:
What is the reasoning for the silly cap use bonus? Frigate bouts rarely last in excess of two minutes and everyone know that if you have ammo in your barrels and juice in your capacitor when you pop then you just didn't want that ship!
My idea, was and is, to have look and feel like combat frigates that were refurbished to fill a need in the armed forces;
- Give each two (or three) weapon slots of racial type.
- Double the amount repped bonus, makes it an even 100% at lvl5 .. Smalls will in effect rep as much as a Medium.
- Replace cap bonus with a racial damage (or RoF) bonus.
Avoids creating a one-trick pony which is I believe contrary to current design philosophy (T2 = focused, T1 = generic, T3 = TBA).
Avoids having logi frigs being only flown by alts/dual-box characters as they will have nothing to do at all.
Shifts the planned rep-over-duration-of-fight towards the front end of the fights (where it matters, see avg. frig fright duration above), with cap becoming an issue if it drags on. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.21 06:10:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:All that to say, speeding up the Navitas is a band-aid. CCP needs to revist changing the penalty on a few select rigs to not cripple a racial fleet style just for the sake of having a pattern in rigs.
Problem is that they are not likely to start making different penalties for rigs within the same group, so has to either make more groups or shuffle rigs around. But the "slapping steel on.." comment made me think.
Q: when does one not want to be in full plate/battle gear?
A: In the sun and/or when its hot.
New penalty option #1: Modifier for the heat damage attribute of all fitted mods. Harder to get rid of excess heat so builds up more quickly ..
New penalty option #2: Modifier for capacitor drain of all fitted mods. Harder to get rid of excess heat so additional power needed to avoid build-up.
@Fozzie: Would love to have comment on feasibility of my first post in this discussion of what might just be the best thing since toast with proper bitter marmalade.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:42:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:... We made the decision to drop the rocket Inquisitor and make it the Amarr logistics frigate, as the better of two good options...
Why choose when you can have both without significant breakage?
Veshta Yoshida, on page 10 wrote:
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My idea, was and is, to have look and feel like combat frigates that were refurbished to fill a need in the armed forces;
- Give each two (or three) weapon slots of racial type.
- Double the amount repped bonus, makes it an even 100% at lvl5 .. Smalls will in effect rep as much as a Medium.
- Replace cap bonus with a racial damage (or RoF) bonus.
Avoids creating a one-trick pony which is I believe contrary to current design philosophy (T2 = focused, T1 = generic, T3 = TBA).
Avoids having logi frigs being only flown by alts/dual-box characters as they will have nothing to do at all.
Shifts the planned rep-over-duration-of-fight towards the front end of the fights (where it matters, see avg. frig fright duration above), with cap becoming an issue if it drags on.
Give the Amarr logistics frigate launcher slots and a rocket bonus and you get to keep the missile line alive as well as giving players the option to go all-out combat, logistics or a mix of the two .. AND .. it partially solves the issue of armour coming in at the end of the cycle removing the need to speed SAR's up .. only need a 200mn plate to live long enough in most cases, tested with a Guardian using only SAR's.
Speaking of the Guardian, that ship is why I hate having another ship that only does one thing especially when it is a T1 hull which are supposedly the ones with the widest focus.
In short: Don't make the choice, leave that to us!  |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
264
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Posted - 2012.08.22 08:32:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:No, I understood your argument perfectly. But that's absolutely ludicrous. If that's such a good fleet doctrine, why aren't we seeing POSpreys doing that right now?-Liang
Head of nail, meet hammer.
Try to run the numbers. The sheer amount of POSpreys, let alone proposed logistic frigates, needed to equal or surpass the output of a single dirt cheap triage carrier will probably make your brain explode
There is not a single entity in Eve that would use 1000 people to do what a handful can do in the same time .. not even Goons (they supposedly do stuff for lulz and POS/module repping is NOT fun by any definition of the word).
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.11.10 19:29:00 -
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Executus Primus wrote:Sheynan wrote:It has a fuckton of sensorstrength though, compared to the Burst. ecm resistance is arguable not that important with frig fleets where your power projection is distributed. Unless all people start to fly griffins.
Not necessarily. Strengths on frigate scale are so small that ECM on unbonused ships are frequently successful and then you are of course under the constant threat of dishonour drones being deployed against you ... many/most frigate pilots in FW took to the strength implants like it was the second coming for just that reason, just no other viable way (read: not enough slots in the world) to buffer against ECM on that scale. |
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