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SonicDark Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.08.20 16:43:00 - [1] - Quote So I've been running solo in a cormorant and I have been running into a lot of kiting. I'm using 75mm guns, MWD, web, scram and my optimal is around 6k. How do I get within 10 on a frigate that wants to kite me? Any tactics / ideas would be great!
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 422	Posted - 2012.08.20 16:45:00 - [2] - Quote SonicDark wrote: So I've been running solo in a cormorant and I have been running into a lot of kiting. I'm using 75mm guns, MWD, web, scram and my optimal is around 6k. How do I get within 10 on a frigate that wants to kite me? Any tactics / ideas would be great! Use longer range ammo.
SonicDark Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.08.20 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote The problem is that if he is kiting orbiting me at 20, even if my guns could reach his he'd likely be using an ab or mwd which means my tracking wouldnt be enought to land a hit.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 425	Posted - 2012.08.20 19:09:00 - [4] - Quote Him: MWD, You: Faction Ammo - You'll likely hit him. Him: AB, You: MWD - You'll be able to catch him. Keep at Range is your friend. You'll have problems if he has a TD, but running long point and td is cap consuming.
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing 200	Posted - 2012.08.20 19:25:00 - [5] - Quote think about something else, as you have noticed your fit does not compete.
Super Chair Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing 316	Posted - 2012.08.20 20:12:00 - [6] - Quote 75mm corms are so 2011....
Andre Vauban Quantum Cats Syndicate 29	Posted - 2012.08.20 20:36:00 - [7] - Quote Super Chair wrote: 75mm corms are so 2011.... Oh boy Super, I cannot wait for sniper corms and Bantam/Bursts at range in minors. The i-win button will be even more i-win.
Yuri Intaki Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing 40	Posted - 2012.08.20 20:42:00 - [8] - Quote SonicDark wrote: Damar Rocarion is nasty meanie who does not let me farm in peace with my grinder alt. Nonetheless, I shout in local after death that he sucks, not me Fixed that for you, a.shole.
Super Chair Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing 316	Posted - 2012.08.20 21:00:00 - [9] - Quote Andre Vauban wrote: Super Chair wrote: 75mm corms are so 2011.... Oh boy Super, I cannot wait for sniper corms and Bantam/Bursts at range in minors. The i-win button will be even more i-win. Don't forget coercers with a 2nd mid. I can just roll my face across keyboard and get kills with it.
Crosi Wesdo Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 355	Posted - 2012.08.20 22:32:00 - [10] - Quote Yuri Intaki wrote: SonicDark wrote: Damar Rocarion is nasty meanie who does not let me farm in peace with my grinder alt. Nonetheless, after he kills me I shout in local that he sucks, not me Fixed that for you, a.shole. then he comes to the forum to complain about how much you... wait a minute.
Tar Noguchi Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2012.08.20 22:51:00 - [11] - Quote - burn away from them. If they chase slingshot back into web/scram range - warp to object. If they chase hope they warp to zero. If not rinse and repeat at different ranges. - sit on warp in from gate in plex. Drop container and orbit.
SonicDark Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.08.20 23:41:00 - [12] - Quote Yuri Intaki wrote: SonicDark wrote: Damar Rocarion is nasty meanie who does not let me farm in peace with my grinder alt. Nonetheless, after he kills me I shout in local that he sucks, not me Fixed that for you, a.shole. takes the high road
SonicDark Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.08.20 23:44:00 - [13] - Quote Tar Noguchi wrote: - burn away from them. If they chase slingshot back into web/scram range - warp to object. If they chase hope they warp to zero. If not rinse and repeat at different ranges. - sit on warp in from gate in plex. Drop container and orbit. Not a bad idea, thanks
Dynast Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse 84	Posted - 2012.08.21 00:08:00 - [14] - Quote Fit a tracking disruptor to block them from doing damage at that range. This gives you time to make multiple slingshot attempts while they decide whether a brawl is worth it, call for backup, or decide to bail. Be sure to shoot drones if they have them out. Carrying long range faction ammo gives you more options as well, but makes your deaths more expensive, and fighting outside tackle range makes it difficult to actually get kills. Driving off a tackler can prevent a loss though...
Shaalira D'arc Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 659	Posted - 2012.08.21 01:04:00 - [15] - Quote Welcome to FW. I see you have already encounted the local Damar. Thank you for not feeding the wildlife. One key component to engagements here is judging beforehand whether you can take the opponent. Dscan, local list, and using the in-game browser to check a person's kill record and fits are all tools you can use while you're sitting in your plex. If you have good reason to think that they'll kite you and that you won't be able to counter, don't hesitate to get out or burn down towards the warp-in. As long as you have the ability to control distance at short range, you'll have the advantage if you close the gap prior to the fight. Sometimes, bouncing to a nearby celestial and warping back can be faster. Good hunting!
Meditril T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 102	Posted - 2012.08.21 09:03:00 - [16] - Quote If you are short ranged brawler then you have only three options: a) Be faster than the enemy, means you need MWD + Nanos... if this is not possible or feasible then b) Get E-War like Tracking Disruptors or ECM to have at least the option to force him to come close or to disengage if necessary. If you can't fit them then... c) Engage only at warp ins or gates at 0 in hope to scram him when he lands on top of you. Avoid fighting at other places if you are not 100% sure you are faster than him.
inVictu5 Globo Gym Purple Cobras 0	Posted - 2012.09.12 00:09:00 - [17] - Quote at 20km you can hit with caldari/federation uranium for decent dps. Even with a mwd he can outrun you but his sig increase when he fires he mwd up will be the end of him. Down side is if you get scrammed by anything else with an ab without duel web you die. Even with a scram and web, Ive had people orbit my corm at 500 while i helplessly sit there. Ive thought about this many times, having a prop mod on a dessie really dosnt give you any benefit unless your setup for blasters. Your better off going duel web, Medium ASB or shield ext, and a scram. At least if he gets close you can guarantee your victory. If hes far you just volley him with faction ammo. as long as you have some sort of tank you will win. faction frigs tend to put out 200-300 dps but have an ehp of 5-10k mostly resists. no prop, anyone who decides not to engage you wont no matter what you have. If they do engage you and see your setup with rails. majority of the time theyll try and get under your guns.
dreamgirl Exile Corp 0	Posted - 2012.09.15 02:35:00 - [18] - Quote some battles you just cant take, unless you can sling shot him into your scram range or set the fight up in your favor not his like have him land ontop of you some how, or just adjust your fitting or use a different ship, kinda change your tactics , if everyone sems to be kiting then you have to adjust your methods to adapt.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 900	Posted - 2012.09.15 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14496955 Just looking at the killmail I can already tell what happened. You were not kited. At all. Blasters can't kite unless you are using a shield-gank fit (and even then). Plus, that frigate is geared to be an armor tanker. No... what happened was; you took on a frigate that is well known to have a godly active tank and used weapons that are well known to have sub-par DPS and terrible tracking at very close range. I highly recommend that you drop the ASB, drop the webbifier, use 125mm rails, and keep everything at range (i.e. start running away from people and make them chase YOU)... OR Toss the railguns entirely, tank up your ship just a bit more, and fit a scram rather than a web. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 487	Posted - 2012.09.16 02:15:00 - [20] - Quote inVictu5 wrote: Ive thought about this many times, having a prop mod on a dessie really dosnt give you any benefit unless your setup for blasters. .

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