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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:00:00 -
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I wouldn't want to get wardecced in my first 8 weeks either. That's not a good way to learn the game in general, or PVP either.
OP, I'd just leave the corp for the duration of the wardec. Your corp mates should understand. If they don't, that's their problem, not yours. Mine in high sec, do your own thing, learn the ropes, have fun exploring EVE. High sec isn't that dangerous other than wardecs and the occasional mining ship ganker. When the wardec is done, you can rejoin the corp, or join a different corp, or continue solo. |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
78
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:03:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:YES - EVE WANTS NEW PLAYERS! But we ant new EVE PLAYERS.
Not the kids these days who can't take stress, don't do basic math, won't think outside the box and ***** about getting bullied and who think their poop is gold roses and wonder why no one treats them special.
We want people with balls... people who take risks, have high goals, fight against terrible odds and who laugh at the thought of piloting a burning spaceship screaming though space-time.
So yes, we want PLAYERS, not b!tches. Would you like the Eve famale players to unsub?
NOOOOO, that is an unfair interpretation of my post. I love giiiiiiiirls.
Mmmmmmmm... giiiirrrrlllllsssssss. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Jonah Gravenstein
748
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:05:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I wouldn't want to get wardecced in my first 8 weeks either. That's not a good way to learn the game in general, or PVP either.
OP, I'd just leave the corp for the duration of the wardec. Your corp mates should understand. If they don't, that's their problem, not yours. Mine in high sec, do your own thing, learn the ropes, have fun exploring EVE. High sec isn't that dangerous other than wardecs and the occasional mining ship ganker. When the wardec is done, you can rejoin the corp, or join a different corp, or continue solo.
He's the CEO, kinda looks bad if he leaves and then comes back once the dec is over.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
334
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:06:00 -
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You could simply join an NPC corp until you feel comfortable with what direction you want to take in eve. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
5
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:10:00 -
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I love the way this discussion is still ongoing despite the fact the OP has probably stopped playing EVE. |
Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
16
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:17:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:And that BS about opponents imparting wisdom during a fight is crap as well -- most will blow up your ship, kill your pod, and then tell you to HTFU while they warp off laughing. If a clueless noob somehow manages to survive the perma-camped gates into lowsec, they'll be easy meat for roamers looking for an easy killmail.
I always point noobs who want to PVP to EVE University. It's really a prerequisite for learning the tricks of PVP while still having fun. It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs.
While eve university is a good place to learn there's not really much that you can't learn from someplace else. Personally I've learned how to survive gate camps and ganks/baits/roams in low sec through trial and error and various sites. Sure with eve uni it would've been quicker but you don't have to graduate from there to be able to enjoy the game. |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
215
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:18:00 -
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I just want to rebut those who say you must "be smart enough" to "grasp EvE's complexity". I think of that equation very differently with a different attitude: you don't have to be smart, but you can't be stupid.
All the really complicated stuff that only smart people can fathom has already been figured out and blogged on. Just go read that stuff. Failure to do that, well, it's being stupid. <-- newbie pro tip ... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
152
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:54:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:The only problem here is your perspective and commitment. I bring new players into the game all the time and it comes down to personality, not any issues with the game. Some can take it, some should be playing something... easier and more accomodating.
So to answer your question... YES - EVE WANTS NEW PLAYERS! But we want new EVE-TYPE PLAYERS.
Not the kids these days who can't take stress, don't do basic math, won't think outside the box and ***** about getting bullied and who think their poop is gold roses and wonder why no one treats them special.
We want people with balls... people who take risks, have high goals, who like being outgunned, fight against terrible odds and who laugh at the thought of piloting a burning spaceship screaming though space-time without the need to whine about it on the forums.
So yes, we want PLAYERS, not b!tches. It is, after all a game, you want comfort and someone to hold your hand... go work for Corporate America.
damn it ccp, give me more like buttons for posts like these. Damn near about to log on alts JUST TO LIKE THIS!
:)
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1855
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:58:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote:It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs. The problem there is that you cant tell for certain if that newbie who wants to join is a newbie, or an alt who'd just waiting for the opportunity to steal/awox/whatever.
We've spent eight years now working out how to deal with these, and unfortunately, none of the solutions are that simple.
Sarton Wells wrote:While eve university is a good place to learn there's not really much that you can't learn from someplace else. Personally I've learned how to survive gate camps and ganks/baits/roams in low sec through trial and error and various sites. Sure with eve uni it would've been quicker but you don't have to graduate from there to be able to enjoy the game. I entirely agree. It depends however if you have (almost) unlimited patience, and someone to help out and point you in the right direction. What we provide in E-UNI is a bit of a 'leg up', some other people to learn with/from, and an open community, along with the years of experience, guides, classes and other stuff which is all public.
And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:08:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Idris Helion wrote:It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs. And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources.
The problem with a lot of your members is that they never leave, nor do they go on to teach/guide/FC within Eve-Uni.
So why are they still there - in some cases years from when they were allegedly noobs?
You'd have a lot more credibility if you forced some of your members to "graduate" to another corp after a maximum of one year. |
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Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
17
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:13:00 -
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Eve will ether make you strong or it will break you. This all depends on how strong a character you are. Weak will die and the strong will survive.
Wolf GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
26
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:15:00 -
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Wolf Kruol wrote:Eve will ether make you strong or it will break you. QFT
Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop |
Amarra Mandalin
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
197
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:18:00 -
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Othran wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:Idris Helion wrote:It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs. And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources. The problem with a lot of your members is that they never leave, nor do they go on to teach/guide/FC within Eve-Uni. So why are they still there - in some cases years from when they were allegedly noobs? You'd have a lot more credibility if you forced some of your members to "graduate" to another corp after a maximum of one year.
There are newbies who have been playing the game a long time. Let them play their way, whom or what does it hurt? I'd rather see someone who was self-motivated to take on more than be booted due to an arbitrary deadline.
------- I podded my grandmother for afk'ing at the sun. She had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:22:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Othran wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:Idris Helion wrote:It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs. And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources. The problem with a lot of your members is that they never leave, nor do they go on to teach/guide/FC within Eve-Uni. So why are they still there - in some cases years from when they were allegedly noobs? You'd have a lot more credibility if you forced some of your members to "graduate" to another corp after a maximum of one year. There are newbies who have been playing the game a long time. Let them play their way, whom or what does it hurt? I'd rather see someone who was self-motivated to take on more than be booted due to an arbitrary deadline.
There's a fair few people in there who simply use Eve-Uni to avoid the consequences of their own actions. Wardec shields (as pioneered by Eve-Uni) still protect them.
I find it pretty hard to believe that most of Eve-Uni members are not alts. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:25:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:Idris Helion wrote:It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs. The problem there is that you cant tell for certain if that newbie who wants to join is a newbie, or an alt who'd just waiting for the opportunity to steal/awox/whatever. We've spent eight years now working out how to deal with these, and unfortunately, none of the solutions are that simple. Sarton Wells wrote:While eve university is a good place to learn there's not really much that you can't learn from someplace else. Personally I've learned how to survive gate camps and ganks/baits/roams in low sec through trial and error and various sites. Sure with eve uni it would've been quicker but you don't have to graduate from there to be able to enjoy the game. I entirely agree. It depends however if you have (almost) unlimited patience, and someone to help out and point you in the right direction. What we provide in E-UNI is a bit of a 'leg up', some other people to learn with/from, and an open community, along with the years of experience, guides, classes and other stuff which is all public. And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources.
The EVE Uni wiki (http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page) is a goldmine. I'm mainly an industry/mining guy, and I learned things about PVP fitting and combat from that wiki that it would have taken me ages (and much ISK in the way of lost ships) to learn on my own. The podcasts, videos, and articles are generally very well done.
The whole "is a new toon really a noob" problem is more pronounced in EVE than elsewhere due to the prevalence of alts in the game, but I think EVE Uni handles it about as well as they can. (I've never understood the appeal of awoxing, but some people were just born to be d-bags, I guess.)
About the "graduation" issue: it's hard to leave a corp that cares what happens to you and is full of helpful and knowledgable players. That's rare in EVE, and may explain why even experienced players are loath to leave. I'm not even sure it's a problem -- having "upperclassmen" in the corp helps the real noobs in more ways than simply in training. (During war, for example, it can help to have a high-skill "big brother" to run to your aid in a fight.) And EVE Uni is still a corp and has a high overhead; more experienced players bring in more ISK than noobs.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:29:00 -
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Idris Helion wrote: About the "graduation" issue: it's hard to leave a corp that cares what happens to you and is full of helpful and knowledgable players. That's rare in EVE, and may explain why even experienced players are loath to leave. I'm not even sure it's a problem -- having "upperclassmen" in the corp helps the real noobs in more ways than simply in training. (During war, for example, it can help to have a high-skill "big brother" to run to your aid in a fight.) And EVE Uni is still a corp and has a high overhead; more experienced players bring in more ISK than noobs.
I understand that but Eve-Uni is supposed to be training noobs. Its not supposed to be sheltering long-term alts from Eve.
However if "graduation" was enforced - even into a friendly corp - then Eve-Uni wouldn't have the "clout" it has with Eve devs simply because it'd be smaller.
Make your own minds up. I think Eve-Uni was a great idea. I don't think the current incarnation of Eve-Uni follows that idea. |
Roderick Grey
House Of Serenity. Unprovoked Aggression
30
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:32:00 -
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Othran wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:Idris Helion wrote:It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs. And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources. The problem with a lot of your members is that they never leave, nor do they go on to teach/guide/FC within Eve-Uni. So why are they still there - in some cases years from when they were allegedly noobs? You'd have a lot more credibility if you forced some of your members to "graduate" to another corp after a maximum of one year.
Because they become teachers, join the Navy or they actually have grown to enjoy playing the game with the people of Eve uni.
Forced graduations sound moronic and you should feel bad.
To OP.
The start of Eve is complete bull, and is one of the many things CCP is constantly working to improve/make more accessible for the newer generation of players.
What you need to do is find yourself a group of players that can support your interests, if you're happy with the group of player's you're with perhaps you could convince them to merge with another alliance/corp, or you could start recruiting/hiring pvp pilots to do the fighting for you.
Another thing you and your corp could do is move to Null as renters, you make more isk and it's safer than Highsec when you're war decced.
And lastly if you don't want to join Eve-uni, which I understand, they're recruitment policy is totally broken, especially in my TZ when there's never a recruiter on, I digress, you should find yourself a mentor, someone you trust who can keep you under their wing for the first few months of Eve.
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Amarra Mandalin
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
197
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:33:00 -
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Othran wrote:
There's a fair few people in there who simply use Eve-Uni to avoid the consequences of their own actions. Wardec shields (as pioneered by Eve-Uni) still protect them.
I find it pretty hard to believe that most of Eve-Uni members are not alts.
Both accounts sound reasonably factual but how is it any less of a legitimate way to play the Sandbox?
And, for the record, I never attended E-Uni, I only wish I had, in retrospect. I've have come across some smart cookies (Indy & PvPers) in-game who obtained their footing there. Likewise, there are equally capable people who did not.
The main reason I recommend organized and focused corps such as this is that they are organized and focused. These are qualities new players usually benefit from. ------- I podded my grandmother for afk'ing at the sun. She had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
134
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:33:00 -
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Wolf Kruol wrote:Eve will ether make you strong or it will break you
omg does the real world have surprises for you.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:43:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Othran wrote:
There's a fair few people in there who simply use Eve-Uni to avoid the consequences of their own actions. Wardec shields (as pioneered by Eve-Uni) still protect them.
I find it pretty hard to believe that most of Eve-Uni members are not alts.
Both accounts sound reasonably factual but how is it any less of a legitimate way to play the Sandbox? ETA: This is obviously an off-topic discussion. And, for the record, I never attended E-Uni, I only wish I had, in retrospect. I've have come across some smart cookies (Indy & PvPers) in-game who obtained their footing there. Likewise, there are equally capable people who did not. The main reason I recommend organized and focused corps such as this is that they are organized and focused. These are qualities new players usually benefit from.
I don't actually dislike Eve-Uni, its just that in recent years I'm not that sure what they have brought to the game (eg wardec shields, which had anyone else done it would have resulted in a ban) has actually improved Eve. It certainly used to but now I wonder if the membership numbers are just a platform for CSM membership.
Cynical certainly, make your own minds up. Its a good corp for noobs, its also a great corp for alt scammers. |
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Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
17
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:59:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Wolf Kruol wrote:Eve will ether make you strong or it will break you omg does the real world have surprises for you. No **** huh. GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
O'Sheagada
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.08.21 18:30:00 -
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Just their money broseph |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.08.21 19:56:00 -
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the vast majority of players like newbies what the vast majority DON'T want are newbies coming in and complaining about things that are part of the game, such as the skill training system, and the fact that you can be attacked anywhere. -
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2356
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:14:00 -
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Quote:There are newbies who have been playing the game a long time
Wait! WHAT!!?! To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Amarra Mandalin
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
198
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:There are newbies who have been playing the game a long time Wait! WHAT!!?!
Ok, how about "chronically, uninformed people?" I was trying to be polite. ------- I podded my grandmother for afk'ing at the sun. She had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
1855
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Posted - 2012.08.21 21:31:00 -
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Apologies to the OP for going off topic again...
Othran wrote:There's a fair few people in there who simply use Eve-Uni to avoid the consequences of their own actions. Wardec shields (as pioneered by Eve-Uni) still protect them. You should come join us in August - we have this new Unified inventory thing now, fancy Minmatar ships, and a new wardec system which means a war costs between 50 and 500M ISK, with no DecShields or alliance hopping to avoid wars.
Case in point, since the start of June, E-UNI has had 13 wars, one of which just went into its eighth week yesterday.
Also, feel free to point out anyone who is 'hiding' in E-UNI to me via EVEmail - we do background checks on our applicants, and aren't some kind of safe harbour for anyone. We may have missed someone, but nobody has mentioned it.
And finally... if you feel like forming your own training corp where people only stay for a limited time before they need to leave, go ahead. I'd be interested to find out how that works out for you. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.08.21 22:18:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I love the way this discussion is still ongoing despite the fact the OP has probably stopped playing EVE. In 2011, EVE forums cost employers around the world $2.2 billion in lost worker productivity. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
505
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Posted - 2012.08.21 22:54:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.
Well yeah. The assumption is generally made because only a dullard could enjoy the PVE aspects of this game, and mining is well...
mining. |
Aster Nightwolf
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 07:14:00 -
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Might I suggest the corporation EVE University? It is a great corporation complete with teachers and instructors that have actual classes that go out into space and help you to learn the game mechanics. They also have a mentorship program and can also help fund basic skillbooks. Once you become more adept at the game you can leave with no hard feelings and join the corp of your choice, or you can give back and become a teacher yourself!
When I started the game, Eve University is where I began, and they are a really helpful newbie corp. They have all sorts videos on Youtube as well. You really should check them out before giving up. |
Usha Endisil
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 08:22:00 -
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Just stay in a non player corp in High Sec until you get enough skills to do something else.
And read a lot, there is a lot to learn in this game.
I played for 5 years, gave my toon away and then started with this one. Still mamanged to do it ok. Its a hard game to start and a steep learning curve, if you dont like a challenge, you wont like EvE
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