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Albert Spear
Ferrous Infernum
Miners' Militia
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:04:00 -
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I am almost new to Eve, having opened my first account 8 weeks ago. Having played daily during that time. I have come to recognize that I have little or no chance to actively play for at least 6 more months.
I need this time to gain skills to be able to survive in Eve. I originally thought that HighSec was the place for Newbies to grow up, but having been the subject of War Declarations for 4 of my first 8 weeks, I have learned - there is no such thing as high security space.
I am lucky, the corporation that declared war is all in one time zone, so if I am willing to get up at 4AM, I can get a couple of hours of mining or other activity in outside the station. Otherwise, I don't have the skills to survive even a run from station to station.
I have watched a dozen newbies in our alliance decide that Eve is no fun and they have left for other games.
Eve is a long established game environment with great graphics, a strong sense of community and wonderful underlying game system. I commend the developers for a great game.
Unfortunately, I probably will not hang around to play much longer - as a newbie, there is no place for me to really practice the game mechanics I need to be successful.
So I have to ask, does Eve want newbies?
Is there a place for them in this game?
If so, where is it?
I am not talking about alts and second accounts, but real new players who want to learn and grow.
I hope there is a positive answer to the question, because I want to play this game, not hide in a station. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
438
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:08:00 -
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Plenty PLENTY of alliances/corps out there for new players where you can get directly involved in doing things with low SP.
You're underestimating how fun it is to get in a cheaply fit frigate and tackle people for the others in your group. And during these engagements you could be learning more about the game and how things work so non of this would be a waste of time.
Market Alts and Mining takes very very very little SP to do, so there is always that.
I think you're expecting to do to much to quickly and overlooking what you can actually do because you're letting yourself get discouraged. Don't quit just yet, hang in there and try more things, join Red vs Blue for some noob friendly combat exp. You are going to miss out on all the greatness of EVE if you throw in the towel now. |
Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
199
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:12:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96b7Jk5xCTQ&feature=fvst
This video pretty much sums up the majority view towards newbies. Ignore the jerks and elitist bastards.
If you want to pvp, just fit up a cheap frig and have at it, you don't need a **** ton of SP (despite what people tell you)
I lied :o
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Lucas Raholan
Agenda Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:13:00 -
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In EVE unlike other MMO's you get thrown in at the deep end from the get go. Yes we do want newbies to join in and carry on. Unfortunately due to the nature of the game people out there do enjoy ganking the new player (although at 8 weeks old you could now be seen as fair game).
If your having trouble with war decs on your corp the simple solution to that is to change corp that doesn't get into so many wars which should allow you to undock and learn the mechanics of EVE.
The best way to carry on playing to find a niche in the game that you get enjoyment out off and focus on.
My suggestion if you really want to get to grips with EVE is to join EVE Uni who will guide you on pretty much everything there is to do with EVE.
The diffrence between WoW and EVE is that in WoW a fellow player will help you gain vaulable items and then go on their merry way.
The same happens in EVE, only once you have the items the fellow player beats the cr*p out of you and takes them. |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
52
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:13:00 -
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As a two month old newbie, I have no idea what you are talking about. I lived happily in highsec for a month, then moved to low sec. Was able to get a balance of wardecs/ mining time/ mission time/ etc... I may lose most fights I get in, but im getting better. Mostly because vets help me out. Just gotta know where you belong, the galaxy is too big to have to say newbies have no place, and are not wanted etc... |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:14:00 -
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But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to. |
Albert Spear
Ferrous Infernum
Miners' Militia
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:16:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Plenty PLENTY of alliances/corps out there for new players where you can get directly involved in doing things with low SP.
You're underestimating how fun it is to get in a cheaply fit frigate and tackle people for the others in your group. And during these engagements you could be learning more about the game and how things work so non of this would be a waste of time.
Market Alts and Mining takes very very very little SP to do, so there is always that.
I think you're expecting to do to much to quickly and overlooking what you can actually do because you're letting yourself get discouraged. Don't quit just yet, hang in there and try more things, join Red vs Blue for some noob friendly combat exp. You are going to miss out on all the greatness of EVE if you throw in the towel now.
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Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
201
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:16:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.
Yeah but assuming he wanted to PvE he wouldn't be asking if newbies are wanted. PvE is pretty much start, do tutorials, congrats your on your way. No other people required.
I lied :o
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Jim Era
Genco
Fatal Ascension
953
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:17:00 -
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dun leave guy.
this game is fun.
Just get in with a group of people who don't suck and can defend themselves. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4422
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:17:00 -
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Why don't you request allies and look around for groups willing to offer assistance?
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
212
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:19:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.
If you dont want to be involved in pvp actions, you should not be in EVE. Even the market is PvP. You are in competition with everyone else in this game at all times. Just because you are not PEW PEWing does not mean you are not PvPing.
That said,
OP, dont think you cant have fun out of the gate. You can mission run, mine, get into small fleet PvP tactics within a week or 2. 6 months? Sounds like either you haven't opened your mind to everything that is possible for a new player in the game, or some bitter vet is telling you a bunch of crap.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
Tiger Would
EoE-Group
1055
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:19:00 -
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Hi Albert,
Of course you are welcome.
Here is a link to a gentleman proposing game play you could look into.
Once you think you have it all, you-áhave actually become-áignorant towards everything else.
T. Would |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4483
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:19:00 -
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Albert Spear wrote:I am almost new to Eve, having opened my first account 8 weeks ago. Having played daily during that time. I have come to recognize that I have little or no chance to actively play for at least 6 more months.
I need this time to gain skills to be able to survive in Eve. I originally thought that HighSec was the place for Newbies to grow up, but having been the subject of War Declarations for 4 of my first 8 weeks, I have learned - there is no such thing as high security space.
I am lucky, the corporation that declared war is all in one time zone, so if I am willing to get up at 4AM, I can get a couple of hours of mining or other activity in outside the station. Otherwise, I don't have the skills to survive even a run from station to station.
I have watched a dozen newbies in our alliance decide that Eve is no fun and they have left for other games.
Eve is a long established game environment with great graphics, a strong sense of community and wonderful underlying game system. I commend the developers for a great game.
Unfortunately, I probably will not hang around to play much longer - as a newbie, there is no place for me to really practice the game mechanics I need to be successful.
So I have to ask, does Eve want newbies?
Is there a place for them in this game?
If so, where is it?
I am not talking about alts and second accounts, but real new players who want to learn and grow.
I hope there is a positive answer to the question, because I want to play this game, not hide in a station.
Unfortunately you had the bad luck to join a corp that was poorly led. Wardecs are not new - weak corps have been victimised by strong, bold corps since EVE began. Chalk it up to experience, join a better corp and this time, ask what their PvP plans are.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4483
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:21:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.
He doesn't have to go looking for pvP, but he absolutely does have to be prepared for it happening anyway.
Avoiding PvP is not difficult when you know what you're doing. The best way to learn how to avoid PvP is to learn to PvP.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9204
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:23:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to. The maybe a PvP-centric game isn't the right choice for him. Since he's here and since he's asking what his place might be, the assumption that he might want to try out the whole rest of the game isn't a particularly bad one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
589
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:28:00 -
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Sometimes it takes people years to finally "get" Eve. Sometimes it takes weeks. Don't give up dude, it's worth it. Sounds to me like maybe you jumped into a Corp/Alliance you weren't ready for yet. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
120
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:28:00 -
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Albert Spear wrote:
Eve is a long established game environment with great graphics, a strong sense of community and wonderful underlying game system. I commend the developers for a great game.
Unfortunately, I probably will not hang around to play much longer - as a newbie, there is no place for me to really practice the game mechanics I need to be successful.
You don't have to be successful to learn the game. You have to loose ships, many many ships, and die horribly and loose more cheap ships.
Because better skills won't change anything, except that you can fly more expensive ships and are even more afraid to loose them.
Better start now, play the game, don't sit around and mine. Get cheap ships, group up and die to the lazors of your enemy! It will never again be so cheap to die and to finally learn how to survive and how to win.
Albert Spear wrote:
So I have to ask, does Eve want newbies?
Is there a place for them in this game?
If so, where is it?
Yes
Yes
All around you. There is almost nothing you can't do as a new player.
When i came to eve i had the same questions as you, but i did not ask. So i waited and mined and run missions and hoped that one day i had the skills to fight against other players.. and when i finally got the skills i realized that i had no idea how the game really worked.. and i died, over and over again.. and the clones where already expensive as hell.
There is a price to SP! The more SP you have the more expensive your clone gets. You will never die for less ISK as you do now.
So what are you waiting for pilot? your merlin or rifter is waiting! |
Cedar Locus
Explodation
53
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:33:00 -
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ehhh quit while you still can |
Mutant Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
6
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.
Eve is a PvP game, first and foremost(Even if CCP continuously caters to the whining carebears). Don't like it? Leave. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
869
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:37:00 -
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Anslo wrote:But you're both assuming he WANTS to pvp. Not every damn player wants to.
How about you stop bringing up this pitiful argument and instead actually try and focus on the OP. You are as bad as those you are complaining about, because you assume people DON'T want to PVP. So hush now and let the sensible people talk.
As to the OP, don't give up on EVE just yet. The first couple of months can be difficult for some people but it does get a whole hell of a lot better once you find a group of people you belong with. That really is the only trick to having a good time in this game, finding like minded people. If you get war dec'd and your corp aren't helping and are just staying docked all day, then find a quiet time and move your ships 10-20 jumps away, out of the line of fire. Then once the war is over, leave the corp.
If however your corp mates are actively fighting, then try and join in. Ask someone to show you how to pilot a tackler frig so you can be effective in a fight. In this game even a one week old pilot can be of great value, anyone who says otherwise is not worth talking to. As long as you keep your options open and don't restrict your play-style too heavily, you are going to find that this place can be amazing.
Best of luck pilot o7
My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
590
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:42:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote: ...better skills won't change anything, except that you can fly more expensive ships and are even more afraid to loose them.
This is so true. I've been around since '05/'06 and it's just now I'm realizing I don't need to relentlessly pursue the biggest ships in the game. I don't need or want to fly carriers or titans - that's not my style. A cruiser or battlecruiser is right where I personally want to be. Your mileage may vary of course, all I'm trying to say is, Find your interests and your level and don't give up. |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
219
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:45:00 -
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yup, as others have echoed, its very likely you are not enjoying your time because of the group you are flying with. Most new players have a stigma that you should wait it out, but that is a bad move. Being in a bad corp is like being in an abusive relationship.
Trust me, if you have stuck it out for two months the GAME has got you, now its just time to find the right group of people to make it compelling to play.
Low-sec Best-sec |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9204
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:47:00 -
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Also, this. You're a bit past the mark for the audience that post is aimed at, but it might still contain a few things you could use.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:47:00 -
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Albert Spear wrote:That is why the question is a serious one? Where does Eve intend for new players to land, learn and grow? Or is it purely a world of PvP from now on?
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but: Eve University. I wish I'd joined them right away when I started EVE several years ago -- I could have saved myself a lot of grief(ers).
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
367
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:48:00 -
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I would recommend joining Eve University as they will teach you the game and give you more chances to experience different aspects of it while you train. Yes Eve is a pvp-centric game but that doesn't mean you have to pvp if you do not want. I haven't engaged in pvp in years though I prepare for it every time I undock. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
660
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:55:00 -
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Isn't anyone else curious as to what his corp is doing to **** people off into deccing them every other week?
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
563
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:57:00 -
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Nope! Pissoff! o7
-á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it".
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
429
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:00:00 -
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Whining about people having more skill points shows you don't understand how the game works. More skill points argument is only valid in fights consisting of less than 20 people.
EVE is a game where volume of numbers beats everything.
Skill is not important in this game in the truly gigantic picture.
Get into a n00b friendly alliance like g00ns or test and and grab your guns.
I'm literally seeing people turn up to fleets in n00b ships for engagements (possibly due to the new game changes to those ships).
If you can breath and undock, you're worth having in some fleets.
Like someone previously mentioned, ignore the elitists (Don't think you shouldn't even listen to yourself, you appear to have elitist tendencies caring about what others can do).
It's better to get out and try (and fail a lot, but at low sp levels, who cares?) and learn.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
367
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:07:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Whining about people having more skill points shows you don't understand how the game works. More skill points argument is only valid in fights consisting of less than 20 people.
EVE is a game where volume of numbers beats everything.
Skill is not important in this game in the truly gigantic picture.
Get into a n00b friendly alliance like g00ns or test and and grab your guns.
I'm literally seeing people turn up to fleets in n00b ships for engagements (possibly due to the new game changes to those ships).
If you can breath and undock, you're worth having in some fleets.
Like someone previously mentioned, ignore the elitists (Don't think you shouldn't even listen to yourself, you appear to have elitist tendencies caring about what others can do).
It's better to get out and try (and fail a lot, but at low sp levels, who cares?) and learn.
Funny Stuff, make sure you give goons your 500 million isk deposit, they wont scam you! |
Adria Endashi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:07:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Isn't anyone else curious as to what his corp is doing to **** people off into deccing them every other week?
Ever heard of griefers?
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