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Mr M	Posted - 2011.02.03 23:42:00 - [31] Oh the irony Get paid ISK writing about Eve
Kelon Darklight	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:03:00 - [32] Actually we have been destorying the hi sec incursions pretty fast, been wondering why 0.0 guys who have their blob fleets and supercaps cant seem to kill the incursions? None of the hi sec ones have lasted longer than a day. (Ive actually been on site for two mothership kills, though only recieved credit for one)
Hephaesteus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:13:00 - [33] This thread delivers. Ah those sweet salty pvp tears. 3 cheers for CCP
Cailais Amarr Ukomi Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:29:00 - [34] This thread delivers! the hydrostatic capsule blog
Orree Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:31:00 - [35] LOL..the OP really ought to be ashamed of him/herself for this thread. Ridiculous... ---------- "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Akoudoulos Maza Nostra HELL4S	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:37:00 - [36] Edited by: Akoudoulos on 04/02/2011 15:42:40 Edited by: Akoudoulos on 04/02/2011 15:41:47 Originally by: blaze infernal Is complete and utter bullsht. We don't like to pve, but we have to for making money to pvp. However we have to because of some stupid incursion messing our jb/cyno network up. It makes us grinding 8 hours or more with a 200 man fleet doing 30-50 man plexes and still its not done. Only to find out next day that it regained it's percentage?????? Redicolous really. Nice try but take it out of 0.0 pls ty What a joke!!! you gank people that don't want to pvp but pve and left alone, you screw their game play because you selfish peace of *** want to PVP and destroy their game and now Super uber NPCs show up at your space and you whine because it destroys your game play. GET the hell out 0.0 you do not deserve it, go mine veldespar in empire, it is much safer than lvl2 missions that you can run nutter!!! what a cry baby!!! ''Hey mommy they are making my gameplay harder, i actually have to put effort in this and stop thinking that my super pvp blob can screw anybody just for MY fun''
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:45:00 - [37] Great, idiots like the op ruin what is actually a pretty good point: That incursions could just become a mandated grind forced onto people with bad reward/risk ratio. I'd certainly gouge my eyes out if i had to run lvl4 missions for several days a week just to keep my space from being over-run by npc, instead of spending that time by creating content with other people. And now there's this mechanic with extremely boring npc that might do just that.
rodensteiner Amarr Awesome Jacket Society	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Revii Lagoon I think CCP needs to adjust null sec incursions to make them a bit easier to complete....we don't have blobs of 4000 pve'ers running around that we can summon on command. Most of us would have to take our pvp ships or get a new ship anyways for these sites, we don't have 10 pve ships lying around....We have a drake.....and that's it. I'm sorry, but this just made me laugh pretty hard. Claims of people in 0.0 not having PVE equipment is complete and utter bull. 0.0 space is chock full of people engaging in PVE. I dare say, it's one of the main reasons people hold onto 0.0 systems! Good moons, good ratting, anomalies, complexes, etc. It's not just people doing a spot of ratting in their fleet Drakes, either. The number of full-blown PVE faction BS's, T3's, etc. that can be found in 0.0 any day of the week is quite impressive. _____________________________________________ I'm horrible at PVP
Akoudoulos Maza Nostra HELL4S	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Batolemaeus You're confusing difficulty with tedium. Difficulty is when there's a gang of similar strength shutting down my territory and I have to drive them out. Tedium is when there's no challenge, but it still needs to be done, eg. dominion sov system, incursions, PI guess you are right, seriously tho what will happen when ccp removes jb once and for all? and they will! incursion just spawns and takes one system, one cons and that its, it is not mandadory as you state, sure it screws your day life, but you can work around it.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Akoudoulos Originally by: Batolemaeus You're confusing difficulty with tedium. Difficulty is when there's a gang of similar strength shutting down my territory and I have to drive them out. Tedium is when there's no challenge, but it still needs to be done, eg. dominion sov system, incursions, PI guess you are right, seriously tho what will happen when ccp removes jb once and for all? and they will! incursion just spawns and takes one system, one cons and that its, it is not mandadory as you state, sure it screws your day life, but you can work around it. What do JB have to do with it? I mean, they're hilariously effective at making Eve downright tiny. They're a huge defensive advantage. You can move people from tribute to fountain in ten minutes or supercapitals into a cynojammed system. But incursions don't really have much to do with them. I really don't care about a small gap in the jb network, that's what spare reroute systems are for. Plus..I move via cyno most of the time anyways. Personally, I'm more concerned about a half-assed removal of jb without a look at the underlying problems of dominion sov and space homogenization vs. moon mineral distribution and force projection. But that's an entirely different can of worms quite a bit more serious than mandated grind. However, mandated grind, which is generally perceived as a fight against windmills as your opponent isn't even human, is one of the most soul crushing torture devices known to game designers. I mean, there's a reason why there are so many sanctum/mining bots out there..
Akoudoulos Maza Nostra HELL4S	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:10:00 - [41] Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: Akoudoulos Originally by: Batolemaeus You're confusing difficulty with tedium. Difficulty is when there's a gang of similar strength shutting down my territory and I have to drive them out. Tedium is when there's no challenge, but it still needs to be done, eg. dominion sov system, incursions, PI guess you are right, seriously tho what will happen when ccp removes jb once and for all? and they will! incursion just spawns and takes one system, one cons and that its, it is not mandadory as you state, sure it screws your day life, but you can work around it. What do JB have to do with it? I mean, they're hilariously effective at making Eve downright tiny. They're a huge defensive advantage. You can move people from tribute to fountain in ten minutes or supercapitals into a cynojammed system. But incursions don't really have much to do with them. I really don't care about a small gap in the jb network, that's what spare reroute systems are for. Plus..I move via cyno most of the time anyways. Personally, I'm more concerned about a half-assed removal of jb without a look at the underlying problems of dominion sov and space homogenization vs. moon mineral distribution and force projection. But that's an entirely different can of worms quite a bit more serious than mandated grind. However, mandated grind, which is generally perceived as a fight against windmills as your opponent isn't even human, is one of the most soul crushing torture devices known to game designers. I mean, there's a reason why there are so many sanctum/mining bots out there.. Op is whining cause incursion has messed up with their jb network and to fix it they had to actually do the incursion and second CCP is planning to remove them, maybe you have missed this on the CSM minutes. As for sov mechs i agree
Jason1138	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:13:00 - [42] ITT: Null residents are proved once and for all to be more care bear than care bears
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Killer Gandry I don't give a damn where them incursions happen. I am old school and still try to avoid using JB's when possible. Hopping from gate to gate is much more fun. Only thing I do want to remember some of the more ignorant is the fact that while an incursion in high sec might be annoying you won't have much chance of a hostile alliance hopping in to take advantage of the situation. So next to a load of PvE fit people you also have to have PvP fit people ready at hand. So it requires a tad more dedication than for the high sec people. That being said. If you don't have the manpower to handle offence and defence at the same time you shouldn't be there in the first place. Yes you can loose ships, so what. No ship is meant to last forever. Why don't you have scouts in the bordering systems and when they say "Red fleet incoming", gtfo? Also, the incoming fleet faces the same penalties as you would, and the Sansha target switch, so anyone trying to take advantage could end up f-ed anyways. _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank.
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Akoudoulos Op is whining cause incursion has messed up with their jb network and to fix it they had to actually do the incursion and second CCP is planning to remove them, maybe you have missed this on the CSM minutes. Well, tbh., if I had to mine veldspar for a few hours (or any activity similarly pointless) and have my progress reset after dt, I'd be livid. Also, incursions seem to be balanced for the masses of people in empire, whereas 0.0 will struggle to get enough people together for something that is a percieved fight against windmills after the novelty has worn off. I'd certainly word it differently to not look like a whiny little brat however. v0v (Btw., fun sidenote: incursions potentially screw over the much fabled "small alliances" dispoportionally worse than us old veteran behemoths with more than enough backup constellations at our disposal. Not like it mattered much, dominion put a final nail into the coffin of the small independent sov holding alliance myth anyways)
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared. I vote for incursion in every null system
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:43:00 - [46] Originally by: blaze infernal Is complete and utter bullsht. We don't like to pve, but we have to for making money to pvp. It makes us grinding 8 hours or more with a 200 man fleet doing 30-50 man plexes and still its not done.* Honestly, that's terribad. You fail at Incursions I guess, nothing else to see here, move along. If only your bots could handle the sites :( :(
Linda Flamewalker	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:57:00 - [47] what is it these leet 0.0 players love to spew out.. HTFU.. wow this way ---> laughs oh this is the best thread i read this year. heck.. read EVER.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Orree LOL..the OP really ought to be ashamed of him/herself for this thread. Ridiculous... This. I know bots can't take care of the issue for you... yet... but really? Think of Incursions as an environmental effect, similar to some in wormhole systems. It adds a new wrinkle to your PVP activities temporarily if you chose to ignore the Sancha's presense, "very" temporarily if you chose to remove them. Sure, it can be unsettling to have things that affect you happening in your space that is outside of your control. I think what is causing the irritation is that it is an NPC effect, so it's easy to get resentful. If these effects could be brought into being by other players, I doubt there would be as much resentment. But perhaps the old minset needs to change. Now you not only have to worry about other players messing up your space, you also need to worry about other "forces" of nature (outside your direct control) doing the same. To me, it simply makes things seem more unpredictable in the EVE universe, and I view that as a good thing. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Fearless M0F0 Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:59:00 - [49] I had a laugh when I first saw where in Esoteria that incursion happened. That constellation is the only way out of like 3 other constellations and almost obligatory spot for jump bridges -- I take offense on people feeling offended by me
Waytel Hezaq	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:18:00 - [50] Seems that no one has said it, but can I have your sov when you emorage quit?
King Aires Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:29:00 - [51] ITT: 0.0 PvPers crying about having to fight something
Fattyfatty DingDong	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:36:00 - [52] despite the OP being obvious troll, it is still a humorous concept. 7/10
Blood Severus	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:38:00 - [53] To me this is too perfect not to be a troll. But i do hope there is at least 1 nullsecian who is sitting in there mothers basement crying tears of anguish over incursions.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:41:00 - [54] That is funny, thanks for the thread
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:25:00 - [55] Originally by: Ranger 1 I think what is causing the irritation is that it is an NPC effect, so it's easy to get resentful. If these effects could be brought into being by other players, I doubt there would be as much resentment. But perhaps the old minset needs to change. Now you not only have to worry about other players messing up your space, you also need to worry about other "forces" of nature (outside your direct control) doing the same. Sounds like a transformation away from the old mantra that 0.0 was shaped by players, and by players alone. I see that as a bad thing personally. Devs will never be able to produce content even close to the emergent gameplay that makes eve memorable. And with their track record of abandoning their shiny in favour of something else, incursions will become something like wandering cosmos, except you can't ignore it.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:28:00 - [56] Seriously? 0.0 people whining about great pve content. Just admit that your 0.0 alliance cant handle incursions cause they can't blob them. I will give you a hint though, incursions require strategy and a team effort to get the rewards. noms on his meta 2 capital armor repper OK now for the real tidbit, you cant use your jumpbridges or cyno. THIS ALONE makes incursions the best thing in the world. people having their jump bridge networks nerfed is a great thing, i mean now 0.0 people have to put in "EFFORT" to move themselves around. Heaven forbid people in 0.0 should live like they did before jumpbridges, and actually put effort into this game.
Suldra	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:30:00 - [57] Quote: We don't like to pve I love how people try and speak for me....please it is you who do not like to PvE and your PvP skills probably suck too. Hence you have to have something to whine about. Please go play WoW at least there is no penalty for dieing there and you will feel all better.
Jackie Flackette	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:49:00 - [58] This is a very interesting thread. A lot of truth about 0.0 and the attitudes of the people in it are revealed here. This proves that indeed they really do think they own it. Here is a solution for Incursions that will bring out the 0.0 blob fleets and send Sansha back to his hole: 1. Killmails for every Sansha ship destroyed. 2. A requirement for most creative smacktalk to actually make Sansha ships appear on the sites. 3. Put Sansha in player-type ships and names, and remove the red "+" on them, and add in some AI so the Sansha rats beg not to be shot, or claim they are being treated unfairly, or anything that could be construed as tears, to be automatically said in Local. Do this and for every Sansha frigate in 0.0 space, looking like a player, will have at least 6 battleships dropped on it the moment it appears. BTW the layout for good "sansha-fighting fit" is NOT strictly PVe. On the first day a lot of lvl 4 mission Drakes went down in flames, mostly PVe fit. To fight Sansha you need a more PVP oriented fit and to be properly fleet-fitted as well.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Seriously? 0.0 people whining about great pve content. Just admit that your 0.0 alliance cant handle incursions cause they can't blob them. I will give you a hint though, incursions require strategy and a team effort to get the rewards. noms on his meta 2 capital armor repper OK now for the real tidbit, you cant use your jumpbridges or cyno. THIS ALONE makes incursions the best thing in the world. people having their jump bridge networks nerfed is a great thing, i mean now 0.0 people have to put in "EFFORT" to move themselves around. Heaven forbid people in 0.0 should live like they did before jumpbridges, and actually put effort into this game. Come back when your 'alliance' holds some sovereignty and you are forced to grind some scripted npcs content that has jack to do with the emergent endgame that is the hallmark of this game. Until then you're just another wow-tard trolling a GD thread. ...
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:53:00 - [60] Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 04/02/2011 20:56:07 Originally by: Razin Come back when your 'alliance' holds some sovereignty and you are forced to grind some scripted npcs content that has jack to do with the emergent endgame that is the hallmark of this game. Until then you're just another wow-tard trolling a GD thread. haha silly macroer, I lived in the drone regions long before your alliance was made, in fact my old corp sold you one of the outposts out there. Before you go spouting crap like that, be sure to check a persons corp / alliance history. Now go back to your little drone region farming games. VIVA LA FREGE! Edit was a proud resident of BRANCH, Perigan falls, Deltorid, Outer Ring, Cloud ring. Proud helper in the construction of 9-4, and NGM-ok outposts.

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