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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.02.10 13:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Razin
You show up in alliance intel channel during that alliance's prime time and you will likely get a blob; 'cause people will want a piece of a player ship kill. In the same way most of those people will not want a piece of an NPC ship kill.
But you don't see the difference, am I right?
Ohh, I see the difference between the two, but it doesn't really change things does it?
If an alliance in 0.0 want's an incursion removed because it's annoying and damn it the JB network's got a hole in it and the new found belt rats are spanking the indies but won't/can't do it themselves then... what's more important? Killing the incursion off or killing the carebear's forming an semi-orderly queue at your doorstep?
At some point an alliance is either going to have to surrender the system to Sansha and route around, wipe out the incursion OR figure out how to temp light blue the incoming fleet and assigned escorts so they don't amble off and explore.
Because it's not like Sansha's go away if you ignore them... OTOH whilst CCP aren't known for iteration on existing features making ignored incursions spread to adjoining systems is a simple iteration, which you might want to factor in.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.02.10 14:02:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
I say more incursions everywhere
I'll go with that if Sansha gatecamp hi-sec Incursion constellations.
...they already do 
Not with drab bubbles they don't. Which would be kind of cool if really annoying.
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KiloAlpha
Southern Cross Trilogy
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.02.10 14:57:00 -
[123]
this is why i live in npc 0.0, pvp with no sov maintenence.
NPC space...where the real pvpers live
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.02.10 15:16:00 -
[124]
Originally by: KiloAlpha
this is why i live in npc 0.0, pvp with no sov maintenence.
NPC space...where the real pvpers live
They are comming for your pink ass don't worry 
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED
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Originally by: Goose99
In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.10 15:23:00 -
[125]
Originally by: nomistseb
Edited by: nomistseb on 09/02/2011 23:01:33
i am in 0.0 to pvp not pve, and when i lose my pvp ship to insane lock times and insane dmg it sucks, CCP get a grip 0.0 is about PVP not PVE
well lets flip the coin shall we?
For years carebear hi seccers complained "I am in hi sec for pve, not pvp...hi sec should be safer"
Common response "PVP can happen any where, just because it means safer does not mean safe"
Now its 2011, we get the above.
Motto of 2011 "PVE can happen any where, just because it means safer does not mean safe from PVE"
Those in glass houses should NEVER throw rocks This is all too amusing
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Darth Mustache
Empire Galactique Franc
Senatus Populus Que Franci
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Posted - 2011.02.10 15:28:00 -
[126]
tl;dr: null-sec-bears whining about how they happen to encounter NPC at places they don't want to see any. And NPCs are evil, even your classic Guristas in Careland Venal can send elite frigs to scram you at gates!
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.02.10 15:47:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Revii Lagoon
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 03/02/2011 17:32:43
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Sure, not all of us out in null sec are in it for only the pvp. Some of us like to do combat ladar / deadspace complexes / radar and other forms of pve that null sec has to offer. The main difference between high sec and null sec in pve is the amount of people that do it and how often they do it. From what the OP has stated, incursions in 0.0 are currently to difficult to complete due to the lack of people who are interested and how long they take to complete.
I think CCP needs to adjust null sec incursions to make them a bit easier to complete....we don't have blobs of 4000 pve'ers running around that we can summon on command. Most of us would have to take our pvp ships or get a new ship anyways for these sites, we don't have 10 pve ships lying around....We have a drake.....and that's it.
Oh, the irony in this post, coming from a resident of the North.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:10:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Patricia Mineabuildy
"Why should we therefore have PVE thrust upon us?"
Irony in it's purest form.
This thread is pure win.
I keep seeing post like this and don't understand the "irony". Or rather I don't think those posters understand the lack thereof.
EVE is, and always has been a PvP game. Certainly, the PvE content went from being an afterthought for many years, to, more recently, something approaching other mainstream MMOs (as far as I understand, I never played any other MMOs); however this did not change EVE's main attraction or it's intended Endgame as being purely PvP oriented.
And this isn't just about combat, it is about humans competing with each other on all levels. Shooting scripted pixels just isn't it.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:14:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
I say more incursions everywhere
I'll go with that if Sansha gatecamp hi-sec Incursion constellations.
...they already do
Not with drab bubbles they don't. Which would be kind of cool if really annoying.
What are you talking about? Unless something changed with the last patch, Sansha don't camp hi-sec gates. At all.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:31:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Patricia Mineabuildy
"Why should we therefore have PVE thrust upon us?"
Irony in it's purest form.
This thread is pure win.
I keep seeing post like this and don't understand the "irony". Or rather I don't think those posters understand the lack thereof.
EVE is, and always has been a PvP game. Certainly, the PvE content went from being an afterthought for many years, to, more recently, something approaching other mainstream MMOs (as far as I understand, I never played any other MMOs); however this did not change EVE's main attraction or it's intended Endgame as being purely PvP oriented.
And this isn't just about combat, it is about humans competing with each other on all levels. Shooting scripted pixels just isn't it.
It's simple really:
When a carebear whines about highsec should be safer, he is met with a myriad of posts telling him how the game devs intend the game to be run, and how if he doesn't like it he should go play something else. Now we have those very same people who make claims like that whining on the forums that the pve is becoming too much of a hassle for them. It's the exact same situation with the tables turned, and the pvpers who were telling off the people whining about how the game is designed are now the ones doing the complaining because of the exact same thing.
Now, while I will agree that eve is mainly a pvp game, it does still have certain aspects of pve to it, and eve is no more counter strike in space than it is hello kitty online. CCP added a pve expansion, and if it really bothers you that much that now you have to pve, perhaps eve (in its current form) is not the game for you. Counter strike is thataway --->
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:33:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Razin
Whine
Htfu, adapt or perish.
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Nuela
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:38:00 -
[132]
PvE can happen anytime in Eve. You agree to it whenever you press the 'undock' button.
:D
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.10 16:53:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Razin on 10/02/2011 16:53:48
Originally by: Cambarus
It's simple really:
When a carebear whines about highsec should be safer, he is met with a myriad of posts telling him how the game devs intend the game to be run, and how if he doesn't like it he should go play something else. Now we have those very same people who make claims like that whining on the forums that the pve is becoming too much of a hassle for them.
The devs may have created this new content, but they made a buch of mistakes deploying it. It wouldn't be the first time. The point you and many others are missing is that PvP is EVE's vision and philosophy. PvE is for a little variety and subs to pay the bills.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.02.10 17:48:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Goose99 on 10/02/2011 17:51:44
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 10/02/2011 17:12:27
Edited by: Razin on 10/02/2011 16:53:48
Originally by: Cambarus
It's simple really:
When a carebear whines about highsec should be safer, he is met with a myriad of posts telling him how the game devs intend the game to be run, and how if he doesn't like it he should go play something else. Now we have those very same people who make claims like that whining on the forums that the pve is becoming too much of a hassle for them.
The devs may have created this new content, but they made a buch of mistakes deploying it. It wouldn't be the first time. The point you and many others are missing is that PvP is EVE's vision and philosophy. PvE is for a little variety and subs to pay the bills. Now this may be ironic, but the players complaining about additional 0.0 chores that are irrelevant to that area of the game isn't.
You are hereby crowned the boss of what Eve is about. We must all submit to the 1337 sanctum chaining moongoo sucking kb humping sov null blober. Because you know what Eve is about... that which is whatever most convenient to you.
Now, tell us where the bad Sansha man touched you.
P.S. I agree with you that sov null must be about pvp, therefore Sanctums and moon goo must be removed in accordance to your great vision.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:02:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Razin on 10/02/2011 18:06:20
Originally by: Goose99
You are hereby crowned the boss of what Eve is about. We must all submit to the 1337 sanctum chaining moongoo sucking kb humping sov null blober. Because you know what Eve is about... that which is whatever most convenient to you.
Now, tell us where the bad Sansha man touched you.
P.S. I agree with you that sov null must be about pvp, therefore Sanctums and moon goo must be removed in accordance to your great vision.
CCP is the one with the vision and the philosophy. Many of us are still here after over 7 years because of it.
Originally by: Goose99
P.S. I agree with you that sov null must be about pvp, therefore Sanctums and moon goo must be removed in accordance to your great vision.
Let me clue you in: that content exists in 0.0 to create ISK making parity with hi-sec. If it is removed from one it must be removed from the other.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:44:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Cambarus on 10/02/2011 18:46:30
Originally by: Razin
The devs may have created this new content, but they made a buch of mistakes deploying it. It wouldn't be the first time. The point you and many others are missing is that PvP is EVE's vision and philosophy. PvE is for a little variety and subs to pay the bills. Now this may be ironic, but the players complaining about additional 0.0 chores that are irrelevant to that area of the game isn't.
1)There is no less pvp available now than there was before the patch.
2)Unless CCP actively does something to REMOVE pvp from the game, you really haven't a leg to stand on when complaining about how eve's a pvp game and how that's being ruined because CCP added some more pve
3) CCP added something that some nullsec dwellers view as a nuisance. The reason you're being so thoroughly laughed at is because the whines spawned because of this change are identical to what carebears have been saying for years. HTFU FFS.
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Goose99
You are hereby crowned the boss of what Eve is about. We must all submit to the 1337 sanctum chaining moongoo sucking kb humping sov null blober. Because you know what Eve is about... that which is whatever most convenient to you.
CCP is the one with the vision and the philosophy. Many of us are still here after over 7 years because of it.
You've just linked 2 videos whose main point is the sandbox mentality behind eve. The second one does play up big fleet fights, but the central message behind both is that eve is a game where insane crap can happen.
Come on, aside from the gank at the beginning the first vid doesn't even have any shooting >_>
And that STILL doesn't change the fact that CCP have not actually done anything to stop you from pvping. And mandatory PVE is nothing new (most of us do some form of pve or another to pay for our pvp ships)
EDIT: as a sidenote, the things that nullsec incursions seem to be hitting hardest (cyno/JB networks) are in and of themselves arguably the worst idea CCP's had in terms of nullsec spaceholding thus far. The day CCP kills cyno and JB POSs is the day I head back out to nullsec. |
Narisa Bithon
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.10 18:48:00 -
[137]
Originally by: blaze infernal
Is complete and utter bullsh*t. We don't like to pve, but we have to run macros for making money to pvp. However we have to because of some stupid incursion messing our macro network up. It makes us grinding 8 hours or more manually with a 200 man fleet doing 30-50 man plexes and still its not done. Only to find out next day that it regained it's percentage?????? Redicolous really.
Nice try but take it out of 0.0 pls
ty
FIXED
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.10 19:20:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Cambarus
1)There is no less pvp available now than there was before the patch.
2)Unless CCP actively does something to REMOVE pvp from the game, you really haven't a leg to stand on when complaining about how eve's a pvp game and how that's being ruined because CCP added some more pve
3) CCP added something that some nullsec dwellers view as a nuisance. The reason you're being so thoroughly laughed at is because the whines spawned because of this change are identical to what carebears have been saying for years. HTFU FFS.
Item 1 needs to be answered by whoever made that claim.
In item 2 you seem to be advocating keeping quiet until EVE is ruined irreversibly? Is that right?
Item 3 shows that you are not comprehending my responses. Please re-read and try to get the point. Hint: it is not ironic to complain about the product that has been redesigned and now does not perform as good as it used to.
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Razin
CCP is the one with the vision and the philosophy. Many of us are still here after over 7 years because of it.
You've just linked 2 videos whose main point is the sandbox mentality behind eve. The second one does play up big fleet fights, but the central message behind both is that eve is a game where insane crap can happen.
Come on, aside from the gank at the beginning the first vid doesn't even have any shooting >_>
And that STILL doesn't change the fact that CCP have not actually done anything to stop you from pvping. And mandatory PVE is nothing new (most of us do some form of pve or another to pay for our pvp ships)
The two vids highlight EMERGENT and UNSCRIPTED content that can only be generated by human players that are able to interact in an environment that allows competitive action with concequences (in the same way that this content can NOT be generated by any scripted NPCs). Hint: PvP isn't just about shooting.
Originally by: Cambarus
And that STILL doesn't change the fact that CCP have not actually done anything to stop you from pvping. And mandatory PVE is nothing new (most of us do some form of pve or another to pay for our pvp ships)
I never claimed that Incursions in 0.0 somehow stop PvP. I only claim that that content is misplaced (for reasons I don not want to repeat again).
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.10 19:24:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Cambarus
EDIT: as a sidenote, the things that nullsec incursions seem to be hitting hardest (cyno/JB networks) are in and of themselves arguably the worst idea CCP's had in terms of nullsec spaceholding thus far. The day CCP kills cyno and JB POSs is the day I head back out to nullsec.
I'm more undecided about some of these mechanics then others . I'd like to see what's proposed by CCP as replacements before my mind's made up. I mean, things *can* get worse.
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Cambarus
Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker
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Posted - 2011.02.10 23:33:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Cambarus
1)There is no less pvp available now than there was before the patch.
2)Unless CCP actively does something to REMOVE pvp from the game, you really haven't a leg to stand on when complaining about how eve's a pvp game and how that's being ruined because CCP added some more pve
3) CCP added something that some nullsec dwellers view as a nuisance. The reason you're being so thoroughly laughed at is because the whines spawned because of this change are identical to what carebears have been saying for years. HTFU FFS.
Item 1 needs to be answered by whoever made that claim.
In item 2 you seem to be advocating keeping quiet until EVE is ruined irreversibly? Is that right?
Item 3 shows that you are not comprehending my responses. Please re-read and try to get the point. Hint: it is not ironic to complain about the product that has been redesigned and now does not perform as good as it used to.
Item one is a general statement, and while you did not explicitly state that it was wrong, you DID imply it by using this:
Originally by: Razin
The point you and many others are missing is that PvP is EVE's vision and philosophy.
as an argument. In order for that line to be of ANY relevance to the topic at hand, your post MUST be based on the idea that the changes made to the game somehow lessened pvp. If incursions have not hindered your ability to pvp, then eve being a mainly pvp game has no bearing whatsoever on any problems you think CCP have introduced with incursions in nullsec.
Point 2 ties into point 1. If your ability to pvp has not been compromised, then using the eve=pvp argument (not at all one I disagree with) has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. You may as well be whining that CCP should not have made incursions in nullsec because they're based in Iceland for all the relevance it has to this topic. Complaining is one thing, but complaining about how CCP should or should not do something based on the games pvp heavy focus, when the mechanic in question has exactly nothing to do with your ability to pvp is stupid.
As for point 3: I pointed out the irony. You might argue that some other, related aspect of this argument is not ironic, but again, that has no relevance here.
PVEers complain about forced pvp
PVPers laugh at them.
New patch comes out
PVPers complain about forced pve
THAT is ironic. The reasoning behind the complaints is irrelevant, and if anything MORE ironic.
NULLSEC players whine because forced PVE is hindering their ability to play the game the way they want to without the possibility of sometimes having to deal with something they find irritating.
Replace the capitalized words with Highsec and PvP and you see the whiny carebear crap we've all been listening to for years.
Originally by: Razin
The two vids highlight EMERGENT and UNSCRIPTED content that can only be generated by human players that are able to interact in an environment that allows competitive action with concequences (in the same way that this content can NOT be generated by any scripted NPCs). Hint: PvP isn't just about shooting.
And how exactly do incursions stop these sorts of things from happening? (And before you go and say "oh where did I say that?", if they do not stop those sorts of things from happening then the videos have nothing to do with this discussion)
Originally by: Razin
I never claimed that Incursions in 0.0 somehow stop PvP. I only claim that that content is misplaced (for reasons I don not want to repeat again).
TBH the only reason I like seeing these nullsec incursions is that the carebear tears coming from all these pvpers is just hilarious. For the most part I'm just here arguing posts that rub me the wrong way for some reason or another, I'm kinda bored =\ |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.11 01:23:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Cambarus
In order for that line to be of ANY relevance to the topic at hand, your post MUST be based on the idea that the changes made to the game somehow lessened pvp. If incursions have not hindered your ability to pvp, then eve being a mainly pvp game has no bearing whatsoever on any problems you think CCP have introduced with incursions in nullsec.
Given that explanation on item 1 I concede the point. With Incursions EVE's null-sec PvP is diluted by unnecessary and pointless tedium.
However I insist that my take on item 2 stands regardless of whether I think Incursions are actively impeding current gameplay or are just a drag on CCP developer resources which could be better spent on the multitude of EVE's shortcomings. This, to me, is self evident.
On item 3 we'll just have to agree to disagree. I just can't find irony in complaining about broken game design, even if it sounds like it on the surface. Now complaining about a central and defining feature of a game (non-consensual PvP) can be viewed as ironic, though in my opinion this would be more in the realm of obtuseness.
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Razin
The two vids highlight EMERGENT and UNSCRIPTED content that can only be generated by human players that are able to interact in an environment that allows competitive action with concequences (in the same way that this content can NOT be generated by any scripted NPCs). Hint: PvP isn't just about shooting.
And how exactly do incursions stop these sorts of things from happening? (And before you go and say "oh where did I say that?", if they do not stop those sorts of things from happening then the videos have nothing to do with this discussion)
Dilute is not equal to stop.
I mostly don't like analogies, but I'll try this time: say you were running a server for some Battlefield conquest/rush game and you made it so that NPCs with perfect aim and awareness (read wallhack) can spawn anywhere and at any time in the game and attack anyone around them. Does that sound like good game design to you?
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FeralShadow
RipStar Mining Industries
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.11 03:20:00 -
[142]
Just because YOU dont like change, OP, doesn't mean everyone doesn't. I, for one, LOVE incursions. Or, for that matter, ANYTHING to break up the monotony. Pvp, surprise PvE, i dont care. More variety is better. Learn to embrace change and you'll stop being so angry in life.
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"If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2011.02.11 07:41:00 -
[143]
If the nullsec PVP crowd is griping about there being PVe content foisted on them unwillingly (which is what people call irony), then I don't see it.
Incursion is almost genius in that the Sansha NPC hit like player ships and act like them too - and I know first-hand watching my battleship in structure being warp scrammed while the fireball that was our fleet Scorpion ECM ship was still churning nearby.
(if anybody cares, the shipped survived thanks to the common PVPer recommendation of repair systems and rack overheating)
What CCP has done, is force players to play almost like they were in PVP for the sake of handling PVe content. Players have to consider that they will be warp scrambled, they have to fleet up to survive, and use ships for the intended purpose of their designs too (go figure).
Almost - because Sansha don't smack talk though Kuvukai appears to do enough in the promo videos.
So of course, with the adaptations that the PVe crowd must make to survive in incursions (for I have never flown a dual RR battleship with logistics drones myself and only fielded logistic drones on exploration runs before that), for people in 0.0 to complain about something forcing them to change the way they do things does come off rather funny.
If it were up to me, Sansha forces would not withdraw on their own. They should stay in the system until someone does something about it, even turning the constellations they take over into NPC space for the duration that they occupy it.
If players can attack any other player against their wishes and be told "PVP can happen at any time" (and it happens ALL of the time, even for miners and traders in a non-combatant way), well then it's very in line with the concepts of EvE that everybody have things "happen" to them in some way.
The real truth to all this may be that people are being conditioned to fleet up and fly closer to a PVP profile. Something dark is being planned in Iceland but I sense most of us will like the changes.
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Chuck Sands
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Posted - 2011.02.12 21:20:00 -
[144]
This thread just keeps on giving.
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Eponema Shazih
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Posted - 2011.02.12 21:28:00 -
[145]
The people that said that 0.0 Incursion are bad are also all member of big alliance who have claim on several constellation if not region. Obviously, a small alliance will have better chance of beating an incursion than a big one who depend on daily logistics to survive, and massive call to arm.
What CCP has done is great, it give better difficulties for large alliance and don't pose such treath to smaller one.
Adapt or Die :)
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Nuela
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Posted - 2011.02.15 18:59:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The real truth to all this may be that people are being conditioned to fleet up and fly closer to a PVP profile. Something dark is being planned in Iceland but I sense most of us will like the changes.
I hope that means the AI for missions will change...and I say this as a mission runner :)
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Shpenat
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Posted - 2011.02.16 11:39:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Razin
The devs may have created this new content, but they made a buch of mistakes deploying it. It wouldn't be the first time. The point you and many others are missing is that PvP is EVE's vision and philosophy. PvE is for a little variety and subs to pay the bills. Now this may be ironic, but the players complaining about additional 0.0 chores that are irrelevant to that area of the game isn't.
You are wrong in this. EvE is not about PvP. There are other games like Counter Strike or World of Tanks which are about PvP. EvE is game about power. And power =/= PvP.
And the vision behind EvE is complete Sci-Fi simulator. I bet CCP would be happy if Sansha could be player driven. However you would whine much more if they have the ability the Sansha have and you not (blocking cynos and JBs). Also it would cost CCP much more as they would actually hae to employ those players so they will be bound not to abuse those powers.
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.16 12:11:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Razin
Let me clue you in: that content exists in 0.0 to create ISK making parity with hi-sec. If it is removed from one it must be removed from the other.
I can't believe you said something so daft. Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong. You're wrong.
EVE is 'risk vs reward'. 0.0 is *supposed* to be higher risk than Highsec. Ends about there.
If anything, you need to get more incursions as you're living in a place where you are:
A) Stating your are prepared to fight for your existence
B) Hooking up with a corporation (at the very least) of people that have a common goal
C) Not fail carebears that **** and moan at every trial and tribulation.
D) Most entry gates to within 10 jumps of your macroratting / 23/7 plex grinding lollerskate caps are camped by numpties. Even if a fleet busts through, you just JB infront of them and bring the exact counter to that fleet. Soooo easy for you.
Content in 0.0 was always static and run by like 5 people. Now its got some dynamic element you're all butt hurt.
Gees, just *imagine* the state of these forums if you had to move about to find moon goo at the end of a week farming it.
Hilarious.
CCP' April 1st patch. "We randomized moons!-enjoy the chaos, tears and laughter!"
Hoppit!
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Psihius
Caldari
Anarchist Dawn
U N K N O W N
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Posted - 2011.02.16 12:58:00 -
[149]
More incursions to 0.0!
CCP, add Sansha hotdops. Hotdrop capitals and supercapitals :) Make 0.0 the risky place it should be!
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2011.02.16 13:39:00 -
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Wow player spotted. I kinda noticed I seen more player acting like wow players these days... Omg it's too hard.... need win button.... don't removing JB its going to kill eve....
when did eve start getting weak minded players these days? 
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