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Jacquelin Ayalin	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:44:00 - [1] Dear Concord, I am writing to express my extreme dissatisfaction with your inability to police Asteroid Belts in Concord controlled space for thieves. While I understand your primary goal is to keep the peace with regards to violence, it seems to me that thievery should be punished as well. It is extremely unlikely that a miner such as myself will have the skills to deal with a thief as their primary focus is generally combat, leaving miners with little to no hope of dealing with the scum of the galaxy. I believe it is far too easy for anyone to just drop in and take ore out of a jetcan that belongs to me and jettison it into their own can at which point 'I' become the criminal if I try to take back what I mined. This is absurd. If someone breaks into my quarters on a space station and takes property that belongs to me, how is it that mysteriously, this property now belongs to the person whom stole it? I pay plenty of taxes (usually around 10%) and I am getting no protection whatsoever from thieves and I think its about damn time you people start doing your job. Unfortunately, I cant vote you people out to get new people in so I am at a loss as to what to try next, I thought a letter first might be a decent start. As always, you can reach me anytime I am awake. "Eve Online...You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy'
Kikkoman6 Amarr NON PROPERO	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:47:00 - [2] This is almost repetative but: Somehow you thought that posting this in C&P a good idea? -----------
Jacquelin Ayalin	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:52:00 - [3] I thought it might be a nice change from the usual stuff here, maybe someone will appreciate it as I just had some ore stolen from me earlier tonight. The amount doesnt matter, (but if you must know, it was 1 mil in ore, about 30,000 Kernite of various varieties) and he tried to ransom it for the 1 million it was worth (which I didnt pay seeing as there would be no gain for me and give him permission to blow me out of the sky). The amount of brain cells you thieves and pirates have must be very few, I still have to laugh at ransoming something at the value of the item, especially when it is a common, easily replaceable item.
Ingvar Angst	Posted - 2011.02.04 12:52:00 - [4] I may be new, but aren't there these thingies that you can put in space that have locks on them so people can't steal out of them? I thought I read this somewhere, or maybe saw a couple hundred in every belt I've visited so far...
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.04 13:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin it seems to me that thievery should be punished as well How nice for you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Fakeedit:- Also, stuffz, can haz, etc. etc.
Ronald Raygunn	Posted - 2011.02.04 13:38:00 - [6] Insert witty and overused internet meme here
Selune Virra	Posted - 2011.02.04 14:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin stuff As a small time miner, I have a couple of options for you: 1. HTFU -- this is EvE (to quote CCP spitfire "Everyone vs Everyone") 2. Giant Secure cans (note this ****es off the rest of us miners, see 3a) 3. Get out of your noob corp into a player corp 3a. Orca 3b. Cloaky OMGWTFPWN aplha-damage something or other in the belt with you 4. Leave (Caldari space) for somewhere quieter
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.04 14:26:00 - [8] If I was going to roleplay I wouldn't roleplay an empire belt dweller. ---
Ilya Golgeth	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:01:00 - [9] It warms the heart that trolls continue to try this angle... 1.27/10
Dead Bait	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:23:00 - [10] I would respectfully disagree. Once one jettisons the item, it is no longer yours. I feel Concord is already nice enough giving you a 15 min grace period to retrieve your items. I just wish the stations and star gates wouldn't be as lenient as Concord in letting suspiciously flagged people through.

Darth McDarth	Posted - 2011.02.04 15:54:00 - [11] They stole a whole million worth of ore? That has to be one of the biggest hauls in eve history!
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:11:00 - [12] He tried to ransom it for one mil? I hope he also tried to destroy his can.
Seraphiel Angelica Advanced Engineering and Research Division	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:31:00 - [13] There is few ways for you to solve this. 1 Find a less populated space. 2 Join a Player Corp, whom specialize in mining and have a protection detail 3 start using Anchored cans 4 fill you cargo, warp back to the station to unload 5 pay for a protection detail babysitting you in the belt 6 start skilling into combat ships (bad idea since that is what the idiot wants, a fight) 7 get a friend to come help you, either with hauling or sitting babysitting you in the belt.
War Kitten	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:39:00 - [14] Dear Jacquelin, I'm sorry, but whatever taxes you pay, Concord sees none of it. It all goes to your Corporation's wallet. The services provided by Concord ships are free to all the public. We are truly saddened to hear that you find our free service to be lacking, but we do not have the manpower to watch over every idiot that sees fit to jettison his hard-earned ore into open space. We instead recognize a 15 minute grace period whereby you may enforce whatever justice you see fit, up to, and including, destruction of the offender's ship. You are correct in your assessment that it is far too easy for anyone to just steal ore jettisoned into space. Perhaps an examination of your side of this behavior would be prudent? Have a nice day. -Concord "Here's your sign..." If you don't get it, look it up. Somebody didn't like me doing it for you.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:49:00 - [15] Originally by: War Kitten Dear Jacquelin, I'm sorry, but whatever taxes you pay, Concord sees none of it. It all goes to your Corporation's wallet. The services provided by Concord ships are free to all the public. We are truly saddened to hear that you find our free service to be lacking, but we do not have the manpower to watch over every idiot that sees fit to jettison his hard-earned ore into open space. We instead recognize a 15 minute grace period whereby you may enforce whatever justice you see fit, up to, and including, destruction of the offender's ship. You are correct in your assessment that it is far too easy for anyone to just steal ore jettisoned into space. Perhaps an examination of your side of this behavior would be prudent? Have a nice day. -Concord Do you mind if I borrow this? Quite nicely done.
War Kitten	Posted - 2011.02.04 16:55:00 - [16] Feel free :)
Stabbatha Blade	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:04:00 - [17] Dear Concord, Thank you for making it easy for me to get the ore I need for manufacturing without the hassle of mining. Dear Can Miners, Keep up the good work. Love, Stabby Blade Mineral Acquisitions Expert
Milan Nantucket	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin Dear Concord, .... If someone breaks into my quarters on a space station and takes property that belongs to me, how is it that mysteriously, this property now belongs to the person whom stole it? .... Your analogy is incorrect... it would be like someone digging through your trash can on trash day and finding money. Jet cans are used for disposal not storage... they make container's for storing (Giant Storage Container aka GSC) and if your ore is so valuable then stop putting it in a trash can. Instead put it in your hangar.
Jacquelin Ayalin	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:01:00 - [19] GSCs are smaller than my cargo hold. While you all think you are smart asses with 'witty' suggestions, none of them make sense. Think about it, GSC's only hold 3900 units. My cargo hold holds 6000. GSC's can only be stationed 5000 meters apart making them impossible to use (it takes longer to fly to another GSC than it does for my lasers to cycle). Jetcans can be used for temporary storage (proof is that you become red to me if you take it). If they were just a 'trash can' than what is in the can would be free for anyone to take. Seriously, Ive heard all the 'justifications' for can flipping, none of them make any sense. However, I am looking into the Orca, only problem is that it is expensive - much more expensive than I can personally afford atm. Funny thing is, if I could fly in and just as easily 'flip' all the loot on you when you are out mission running, youd have a different opinion. You are all just too lazy to do anything for yourself.
Menod Penter Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:07:00 - [20] Hello and Good Day to You, I have one teaching this to miners for years. "Secure the Ore or You'll Be Sore" (tm) Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens

Charlotte Yakamoto Amarr Lead Farmers	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:53:00 - [21] Can I have your stuff....o wait....it's already been stolen :P
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.02.05 02:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin Jetcans can be used for temporary storage (proof is that you become red to me if you take it). If they were just a 'trash can' than what is in the can would be free for anyone to take. It's not? I have no trouble taking ore out of jetcans, sometimes I get to fight off an insane lunatic that started shooting at me afterwards too Originally by: Magnus Andronicus ur character looks like a f***ing clown dude.
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.05 02:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin GSCs are smaller than my cargo hold. While you all think you are smart asses with 'witty' suggestions, none of them make sense. Think about it, GSC's only hold 3900 units. My cargo hold holds 6000. GSC's can only be stationed 5000 meters apart making them impossible to use (it takes longer to fly to another GSC than it does for my lasers to cycle). Jetcans can be used for temporary storage (proof is that you become red to me if you take it). If they were just a 'trash can' than what is in the can would be free for anyone to take. Seriously, Ive heard all the 'justifications' for can flipping, none of them make any sense. However, I am looking into the Orca, only problem is that it is expensive - much more expensive than I can personally afford atm. Funny thing is, if I could fly in and just as easily 'flip' all the loot on you when you are out mission running, youd have a different opinion. You are all just too lazy to do anything for yourself. What is most convenient isn't always what is most secure (or indeed advisable). And if you can't afford an Orca in the near future then maybe you should try and get a better job than mining. ~~~
Weesa Wanderstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.05 03:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin Dear Concord, I am writing to express my extreme dissatisfaction with your inability to police Asteroid Belts in Concord controlled space for thieves. While I understand your primary goal is to keep the peace with regards to violence, it seems to me that thievery should be punished as well. It is extremely unlikely that a miner such as myself will have the skills to deal with a thief as their primary focus is generally combat, leaving miners with little to no hope of dealing with the scum of the galaxy. I believe it is far too easy for anyone to just drop in and take ore out of a jetcan that belongs to me and jettison it into their own can at which point 'I' become the criminal if I try to take back what I mined. This is absurd. If someone breaks into my quarters on a space station and takes property that belongs to me, how is it that mysteriously, this property now belongs to the person whom stole it? I pay plenty of taxes (usually around 10%) and I am getting no protection whatsoever from thieves and I think its about damn time you people start doing your job. Unfortunately, I cant vote you people out to get new people in so I am at a loss as to what to try next, I thought a letter first might be a decent start. As always, you can reach me anytime I am awake. "Eve Online...You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy' 3/10
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.05 03:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin GSCs are smaller than my cargo hold. While you all think you are smart asses with 'witty' suggestions, none of them make sense. Think about it, GSC's only hold 3900 units. My cargo hold holds 6000. GSC's can only be stationed 5000 meters apart making them impossible to use (it takes longer to fly to another GSC than it does for my lasers to cycle). Jetcans can be used for temporary storage (proof is that you become red to me if you take it). If they were just a 'trash can' than what is in the can would be free for anyone to take. Seriously, Ive heard all the 'justifications' for can flipping, none of them make any sense. However, I am looking into the Orca, only problem is that it is expensive - much more expensive than I can personally afford atm. Funny thing is, if I could fly in and just as easily 'flip' all the loot on you when you are out mission running, youd have a different opinion. You are all just too lazy to do anything for yourself. Well, basically...until you learn how to mine, you will suffer the wrath of the local pirates who enjoy your attempt at creating justice for miners. Why do I can flip? For fun. Don't like it? Don't can mine.
shakedatazz	Posted - 2011.02.05 03:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin It is extremely unlikely that a miner such as myself will have the skills to deal with a thief Join a corporation. Have your corp members take care of the thieves. Or, train combat skills. Take care of the thieves yourself. Better yet, DON'T JETCAN MINE, YOU FOOL! Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin This is absurd. This. Is. SPARTA! Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin how is it that mysteriously, this property now belongs to the person whom stole it? Uh, because he stole it. That's why its his and not yours. BECAUSE IT WAS STOLEN. Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin I pay plenty of taxes (usually around 10%) and I am getting no protection whatsoever from thieves It'd take a lot more than 10% to fix your stupidity, stupid.
Jacquelin Ayalin	Posted - 2011.02.05 11:26:00 - [27] So, Im just trying to get this straight... If I go to the park and I put something on the ground next to me like say a 6 pack of beer and I am sitting right next to it, this makes it ok for anyone to walk up and take the beer without any consequence? What kind of logic is in your heads because I still dont get it. If Im sitting right next to a can of ore, that ore belongs to me and the only reason you can flip is because the game mechanics allow you to steal with no penalty from concord. So, to quell the argument that ore is technically in a biodegradable container and isnt just freely floating in space, if my beer was in a brown paper bag, this still would not make it 'ok' for you to take the beer. I dont always mine with a corporation, sometimes I like to play Eve on my own...go figure. Funny how this works, I can go to the beach myself to read a book with a 6 pack and no one feels they are entitled to just walk up and take one, nor has anyone done so. The only reason you are against CCP doing anything is because can flippers have the mentality of 3 year old bullies who cant do anything for themselves and eve worse are the ones ransoming ore for its market value - which shows the lack of intelligence... Im just curious, how many of you, if it wasnt against the rules would hack someones account and clear it out of everything? The sense of entitlement is unbelievable to me. If there was a container that held 10,000-12,000 m3, it would be a viable solution. Hell, I wouldnt even care if there was a storage bonus for it.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:52:00 - [28] All I'm hearing is whine whine whine, someone took from my ore because I gave them the opportunity to do so. ...And I'm deaf. And if you're a can miner and not part of a corp, well, that just means that its so much easier to ransom your can before I destroy it when you fail to pay for the ransom. Who said you had to haul GSC in a miner? There are other ships with larger cargo holds.
Stabbatha Blade	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Jacquelin Ayalin Edited by: Jacquelin Ayalin on 05/02/2011 11:40:51 Stuff Comparing real life laws and situations to internet spaceships is silly. We steal because it is there, and we can. There are plenty of ways to mine without the possibility of getting your ore stolen or flipped, you just choose not to them because you are lazy. Lazy miners create ore thieves and can flippers.
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:59:00 - [30] There are no parks in space. ~~~



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