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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:39:00 -
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 Originally by: yani dumyat
Got too many bored pvpers on your hands? Simple, create smaller alliances with alts and make them fight each other, give the people what they want and you can do what you like. It's the meta game baby.
For the sake of attempting to push the CCP game design bureaucracy into a flaming pit of lava, I'll toss out there; you don't need to create a separate alliance or even fight in null sec at all. The NC can just pacify their warriors by sending them to low sec and w-space.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
OMG the sky is falling . . . Look, if anyone thinks that 0.0 is and will remain one happy love fest you are delusional.
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We will probably see a continued static territorial situation, with minor probing in the border regions...
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Hopefully CCP will do something in response to the present 0.0 situation.
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CCP could still do a lot to kick over the present sand castles in order to keep the game alive.
That was a whole lotta words to agree with us.
-Liang
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.04 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
OMG the sky is falling . . . Look, if anyone thinks that 0.0 is and will remain one happy love fest you are delusional. There are still 3 powerblocks, not just one - Drone Russians, NC+Goons, Casserol(aka Asswagon).
Now if I wanted to farm 0.0 to sell ISK then the above quote is exactly what I'd want people to be thinking. 
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Knawt Ongrid
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
That was a whole lotta words to agree with us. -Liang
I'm glad you're glad. I'm not NC, DR, or ASSwagon, hate the present moon goo situation, find the coalition blobs a bad thing for the game, but I was unaware all the posters above me were in agreement. I was mainly responding to the OP's exageration saying the NC controls everything now. BTW, minor probing, heh.
Originally by: yani dumyat
Now if I wanted to farm 0.0 to sell ISK then the above quote is exactly what I'd want people to be thinking.
Aww man you outed me. I'm an ISK farmer in each of those coalitions  and if CCP does something I will lose my livelihood.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
Jeebus, some terribly serious, paranoid, pessimistic people here
This is Eve you know......
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Magna Carta
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Magna Carta on 05/02/2011 00:07:55
Some pictures from a minor NC op:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110284280-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110284250-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110284240-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110283751-4.jpg
Because of: http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/03/pl-tried-gank-nc-titan-got-masacred-by-nc-counter-fleet/
Short answer: Yes, NC can achieve total victory over 0.0, only if the rest of the pilots want to: That means hours and hours of fighting.
Are you able to sit in front of the computer for at least 4 hours to take a system/outpost ?
Do you want to ?
As an example: Search LXQ on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=LXq&aq=f
Edit: Changed links
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/02/2011 00:23:38
Originally by: Magna Carta
Short answer: Yes, NC can achieve total victory over 0.0, only if the rest of the pilots want to: That means hours and hours of fighting.
Are you able to sit in front of the computer for at least 4 hours to take a system/outpost ?
Do you want to ?
I contend two things:
- It doesn't matter if you bring the same people day after day as long as you keep bringing the numbers. The NC has these numbers, and as more corps/alliances/space fall under their control, those numbers will increase.
- It is very unlikely that the territory would come as a result of constant sieges. Its much more likely to be through expand and consolidate phases coupled with intense diplomatic efforts to consolidate/marry power blocs or bring "rogues" into the NC itself.
-Liang
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sig Sour on 05/02/2011 00:43:15
Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
I was mainly responding to the OP's exageration saying the NC controls everything now.
If I could get people to read and not fill in what their imagination feels like filling in, I would. Not only did I not exaggerate they control everything now, I never say they control everything now.
Originally by: Magna Carta
sadness
Titans -in the hands of the NC- remind me of the people with learning disabilities in hulks in high sec who never pvp till they are in an uber ship.
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Magna Carta
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I contend two things:
- It doesn't matter if you bring the same people day after day as long as you keep bringing the numbers. The NC has these numbers, and as more corps/alliances/space fall under their control, those numbers will increase.
- It is very unlikely that the territory would come as a result of constant sieges. Its much more likely to be through expand and consolidate phases coupled with intense diplomatic efforts to consolidate/marry power blocs or bring "rogues" into the NC itself.
-Liang
Heh. :)
Delve it's not under siege but the full NC, only by Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore as main forces ( old enemies of IT Alliance ) and Fatal Ascension, Morsus Mihi, Mostly Harmless, R.A.G.E, Razor, Wildly Inappropriate as secondary forces.<- Alphabetical order.
Currently NC battles with Pandemic Legion in Pure Blind region ( NC had to send Pandemic Legion "home" from Venal and now from Pure Blind ). When PL will be sent home, NC will join Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore on the war against IT Alliance. Maybe. ;)
Goonswarm Federation wants to show to IT Alliance that they can take Delve from them.
Think of it this way:
When Goonswarm ( now Goonswarm Federation ) was in Delve, IT Alliance constantly attacked them with their allies ( Sys-k, LR etc ). But Goonswarm was able to defend the region.
Now it's Goonswarm Federation and allies' turn to attack IT Alliance.
Will IT Alliance be able to defend Delve ? :)
I don't think diplomatic measures will be taken into consideration by the enemies of the Northern Coalition :
All other major alliances in 0.0 hate NC.
Yes, you don't have to bring the same pilots to the fights, but you need the same people that are in charge of the operation, day by day.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: yani dumyat on 05/02/2011 01:46:14
Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
Originally by: yani dumyat
Now if I wanted to farm 0.0 to sell ISK then the above quote is exactly what I'd want people to be thinking.
Aww man you outed me. I'm an ISK farmer in each of those coalitions and if CCP does something I will lose my livelihood.
Jeebus, some terribly serious, paranoid, pessimistic people here
Not serious, paranoid or pessimistic. Was a joke referring to the honourable eve residents who live in the quaint village of Bilderberg. In many ways I'm quite optimistic about that.
In a game that's designed to be a sandbox, victory will go to the person who can create the most fun for the most amount of people. Victory is achieved when that person buys a new mercedes.
If I understand the OP correctly then he wants to know what will happen when one power controls the whole of null. My response is that anyone who can perform such a feat would be capable of appearing to be several alliances at once, while in reality one small family of people is in charge of the whole thing.
Imagine for a moment that Mitanni was Sir Molle's boyfriend, now imagine that the drone regions were controlled by his mother and they had well groomed Russian speaking slave boys to run them.
That may be a slightly disturbing image however eve encourages metagaming so the idea of one family (in the broadest sense of the word) running several alliances is not just possible but an essential mechanic forced by game design.
Trust me on this, us brits used this principle to create the biggest empire ever known to man and are still suffering the royally inbred consequences of our actions. (Edit - see masons for a fuller description.)
Apologies for rambling, I'll try and summarise the point. To control null you need to provide for the needs of your subjects, this means war and associated economic support. For one entity to control null it would need to provide an RvB style experience on a huge scale and random emotional drama from the leaders. You could have a lot of fun by pretending to have drama between two good friends.
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The Offerer
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Posted - 2011.02.05 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do?
You sound like those popular-science shows about the end of the World on National Geographic.
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.02.05 06:38:00 -
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What are you trying to say? There is no more fighting in nullsec now? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? I will have to take my itty bitty ship and make troubles!
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Rhes
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.05 07:25:00 -
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OP seems really mad about how other people play internet spaceships.
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Apo Lyptica
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Posted - 2011.02.05 09:21:00 -
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what you guys don't understand is the NC isn't an alliance like goonswarm and bob... NC is a coalition of alliances (oh jebus, its in the name!), these alliances come and go I'd say every month. The core alliances have been around for a very long time, and is VERY powerful and in my opinion VERY well lead. Nc isn't a bad thing, we are more or less like Russia during the cossack era. Every member of the coalition has to have a PvP ship. The large alliances that get the better sections of space push this, alot. If you want to bring down the NC, well sorry... but you wont. You can't have a spy disband it, you can't invade it. You shoot one pos, we will destroy all of yours. So get on board or die... and in a few years, high sec will belong to the NC as well. 
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.02.05 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ben Alman
Originally by: Sig Sour
So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do?
I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires.
Thinking more about this, it occurs to me that empire decay tends to be measured on the century scale. If we were to call this the decay over generations (ebb and flow of new players) and disregard the effects of effectively immortal leaders, then we might be able to say that we're in for 3-4 years of the NC owning all of 0.0?
-Liang
Unless the Legions of Chaos step up to bring the Word to the heretical Imperium. Assuming Chaos doesn't get pushed back to the Maelstrom again.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Just out of curiosity, how many of the legendary pvp pilots does the NC have in its ranks? I see a lot of talk here like the NC is has a lot of hardcore pvp players, but to the best of my understanding the NC is mostly about blobbing.
Now for those of you who don't understand, the difference between a fleet and a blob is each and every individual in a fleet can survive on their own and doesn't fear solo or small gang pvp. Blobbing is typically a bunch of 'carebears' who feel comfortable fighting 40 vs 4, and wont play otherwise. Blobbers for the most part, I believe can live without pvp.
Only time will tell if the NC has enough true PVP pilots to where the self destructive nature of it will unfold.
no, blobbing is a result of having allot of pilots. skill is a side issue no fc is going to tell people they can't join a fleet because its to big and blob like.
example: if a request goes out for a reinforcing fleet, who the hell is going turn down pilots to join that fleet if they are in the required ship? no one would.
every null sec alliance that plays the sov game blobs. its how the game play mechanics demand you play it.
its not to much different from modern warfare. the user blobbed Germany, the usaaf, vvs and raf blobbed the luftwaffe. the british blobbed Argentina. Montgomery blobbed rommel with tanks.
it would be ridiculous for any leader to turn down strength in numbers when the strategy demand it or its a winning formula.
I'm not saying the blob is good for eve but trying to make up excuses or deride people for doing it is naive.
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Marconus Orion
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:21:00 -
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What is pathetic is now we have coalitions of coalitions. NC and DC combined is over 20,000 pilots who will SOS each other anytime they come across something that remotely resembles a challenge. "Beat it with numbers!" is the only thing they know how to do.
0.0 Is utter **** right now. It has been **** for years now. With no cons to having everyone within 50+ jumps of you blue, it will continue to be the same stale, stagnant pile of dog **** it is now.
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Kaaii
Caldari
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
KAAII-NET
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:26:00 -
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Every big alliance has their day in the sun, Bob had it, Red had it, etc.
All things change in time, nothing lasts forever.
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Marconus Orion
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Every big alliance has their day in the sun, Bob had it, Red had it, etc.
All things change in time, nothing lasts forever.
We are talking about a 20,000 pilot coalition. Not just a single alliance.
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Reeno Coleman
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Knawt Ongrid
Similarly the NC and drone russians are hardly in love.
now that is quite the understatement
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: yani dumyat
Got too many bored pvpers on your hands? Simple, create smaller alliances with alts and make them fight each other, give the people what they want and you can do what you like. It's the meta game baby.
For the sake of attempting to push the CCP game design bureaucracy into a flaming pit of lava, I'll toss out there; you don't need to create a separate alliance or even fight in null sec at all. The NC can just pacify their warriors by sending them to low sec and w-space.
You can't passify your warriors by offering them a cheap substitute that isn't even plentiful enough to offer something for everyone. Not all fighting is equal. If you think it is, you might as well just implement arena combat and remove every other type of PvP from the game. That isn't the type of PvP I want from EVE and I don't think I'm alone in this. If a leader would have seriously suggested that when I was a grunt in an alliance, I would have started looking for a new home in another alliance immediately.
Fake fights in general aren't the same as full scale all out warfare. Fake alliances just to fight other fake alliances is more like arena combat or dueling. No one has really anything to lose and you can't really get emotionally committed in the fighting. It's meaningless to the point of not bothering to play at all. It just isn't the same experience. Some might like it, but others can't stand it.
With w-space and lowsec you have your own issues. If most of these people preferred that kind of life and fighting, they wouldn't have went to 0.0 in the first place. Again not the same experience. Secondly no one is going to fight your mega blob. You will get kills, but no one is going to commit to any meaningful fights. They will flee and nible at your ankles at every opportunity. It's enough to satisfy some players, but not anyone who enjoys big fleet fights or good fights and it doesn't provide enough action to go around.
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Cosmar
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.02.05 10:47:00 -
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Coalitions don't last forever.
I can't remember how many times someone was claimed to be supposedly invincible and about to win EvE.
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Magna Carta
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Posted - 2011.02.05 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmar
Coalitions don't last forever.
I can't remember how many times someone was claimed to be supposedly invincible and about to win EvE.
Don't worry, NC won't expand from its current borders.
What you're seeing now in Fountain and Delve, its Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore with help from few members of NC vs IT Alliance.
What you saw in LXQ, it was a show off, to show to other people that NC is capable of invading. But take note, that the NC didn't take system after system in Drone Region, NC conquered only outposts ( 3 stations ).
There are so many disadvantages in a full blue New Eden, that i don't even know where to start. You always need someone to fight against.
It's not impossible for NC to conquer all of 0.0, but it's impossible to administrate it.
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2011.02.05 12:39:00 -
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Who crashes the node first wins?
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:32:00 -
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I thought the Jove attacked you if your alliance controlled too much.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:46:00 -
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Nonono, Curse Alliance will rule over all of no sec space. Or is it Band of Brothers...? Coalition of Free Stars perhaps? New Venal Alliance? Oh, 'whatever those muppets are calling themselves this week' will rule over all of no sec space..
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Xanthia Sarn
Minmatar
Lucrosum Bellus
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ben Alman
Originally by: Sig Sour
So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do?
I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires.
I think its really hard for the NC to decay as an empire does, because breaking ranks with the other alliances will mean that ALL the other alliances immediately band together and destroy you.
-Liang
The Nc cannot be destroyed unless every other alliance in the game banded together and hit them. they are based on trust and friendship and every alliance in the Nc follows strict rules and together they are a force not to be ****ed with.
EvE needs to stabilize, this rise n fall crap is getting old n needs to stop. I say, let NC colonize all 0.0 n make it stable, god knows it would be better for the game. PvP alliances would actually get the fights they want.
Your all just *****ing cause ccp mummy took away your play toys
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Kaaii
Caldari
KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
KAAII-NET
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Posted - 2011.02.06 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Kaaii
Every big alliance has their day in the sun, Bob had it, Red had it, etc.
All things change in time, nothing lasts forever.
We are talking about a 20,000 pilot coalition. Not just a single alliance.
What's the difference...
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
kieron
Director of Community Relations,
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.06 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
What's the difference...
You cant 'right click - disband' and destroy it? (See how the last 2 major powers fell)
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Xanthia Sarn
The Nc cannot be destroyed unless every other alliance in the game banded together and hit them. they are based on trust and friendship and every alliance in the Nc follows strict rules and together they are a force not to be ****ed with.
EvE needs to stabilize, this rise n fall crap is getting old n needs to stop. I say, let NC colonize all 0.0 n make it stable, god knows it would be better for the game. PvP alliances would actually get the fights they want.
Your all just *****ing cause ccp mummy took away your play toys
Can you please elaborate on how having a single coalition controlling all of 0.0 is going to give me the "good fights" I desire?
-Liang
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