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Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Sig Sour on 04/02/2011 20:04:09 ... to join the NC. CCP handed the NC the game with the moon goo changes and the layout of the moons in the north. There seems to be nobody capable of stopping the few NC sheep herders from turning all of null sec blue. There also seems to be no shortage of sheep willing to join the herd. So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do?
Ben Alman Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:06:00 - [2] Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Ben Alman Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires. I think its really hard for the NC to decay as an empire does, because breaking ranks with the other alliances will mean that ALL the other alliances immediately band together and destroy you. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:13:00 - [4] Originally by: Ben Alman I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires. Like China?
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Ben Alman Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires. Thinking more about this, it occurs to me that empire decay tends to be measured on the century scale. If we were to call this the decay over generations (ebb and flow of new players) and disregard the effects of effectively immortal leaders, then we might be able to say that we're in for 3-4 years of the NC owning all of 0.0? -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
I Love Boobies	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:23:00 - [6] OMG! Wrong forum to post this in! Should be in CAOD!!! FORUM NOOB!
Suldra	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:24:00 - [7] Sounds to me like someone feels left out. Someone does not like to play with others so that somone has to put others down to make themselves feel better. Here I have cookies and milk for you honey!
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:25:00 - [8] Originally by: I Love Boobies OMG! Wrong forum to post this in! Should be in CAOD!!! FORUM NOOB! I would argue two things: - This is actually a serious matter that merits general discussion in Eve - Take a look at the posters in this thread so far - none of us are allowed to post in CAOD. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
I Love Boobies	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Liang Nuren I would argue two things: - This is actually a serious matter that merits general discussion in Eve - Take a look at the posters in this thread so far - none of us are allowed to post in CAOD. -Liang Lol... true. You have valid points. I just got over excited and couldn't help myself.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:30:00 - [10] Edited by: Bitter FA Vet on 04/02/2006 20:04:09 ... to join BOB. CCP handed BOB the game with the moon goo changes and the layout of the stations in Querious. There seems to be nobody capable of stopping the few BOB sheep herders from turning all of null sec red. There also seems to be no shortage of sheep willing to join the herd. So can BOB achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do[n't]? Not in the Exchange, don't invest!

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ben Alman Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires. I think its really hard for the NC to decay as an empire does, because breaking ranks with the other alliances will mean that ALL the other alliances immediately band together and destroy you. -Liang It isn't enough to prevent the decay just delay the point when the damn bursts. If you are the only powerblock left, you simply can't provide enough fights to satisfy your PvPers and they will start to get bored. They will become increasingly dissatisfied and want to see things change just so they can have fun fights again. When you have a situation that has been at that point for a while, it isn't hard to imagine a situation where a few PvP corps and alliances talk things over and decide to leave the main block as a group. If I was a PvP grunt on either side in that situation, I would propably leave with the PvPers, since they're the people you can actually count on when the trouble starts and if they get beaten, the situation will only return to a place where you were dissatisfied and bored to begin with. And then you will have a few power blocks fighting for supremacy again.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express The Spire Collective	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:38:00 - [12] Edited by: Mecinia Lua on 04/02/2011 20:38:19 Nope changed mind Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts. [orange]Your signature is to
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 04/02/2011 20:43:17 In what military experts are calling a startling turn of events, i now fully support the NC. I don't think the moons are the reason for its success. It's a simple matter of making allies instead of enemies, and choosing your battles. Sincerely, Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue It isn't enough to prevent the decay just delay the point when the damn bursts. If you are the only powerblock left, you simply can't provide enough fights to satisfy your PvPers and they will start to get bored. They will become increasingly dissatisfied and want to see things change just so they can have fun fights again. When you have a situation that has been at that point for a while, it isn't hard to imagine a situation where a few PvP corps and alliances talk things over and decide to leave the main block as a group. If I was a PvP grunt on either side in that situation, I would propably leave with the PvPers, since they're the people you can actually count on when the trouble starts and if they get beaten, the situation will only return to a place where you were dissatisfied and bored to begin with. And then you will have a few power blocks fighting for supremacy again. I disagree. Consider that supremacy in Eve doesn't require PVP skill - it requires PVP numbers. Consider: - The NC has never been known for its PVP prowess or number of raring to go PVP pros. Most of the time its only a slight step up from the Providence of old. - We have already seen the situation you outline - repeatedly. The "bored PVPers" quickly get beaten off by the thousands of "PVP noobs" from 50+ jumps away to get their ass handed to them and expelled to NPC 0.0 and low sec. Really, you might have had an argument if it wasn't a situation we'd already seen so many times over. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:46:00 - [15] The bored pvpers should learn the fine art of getting in touch with other bored pvpers and when they have enough bodies they can act. This solo rage quit stuff just marks you for the hammer. Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Zeba The bored pvpers should learn the fine art of getting in touch with other bored pvpers and when they have enough bodies they can act. This solo rage quit stuff just marks you for the hammer. Hey cool, so the BORED PVPers should wait a few months/years until they have enough people to form a rebellion... AWESOME PLAN -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:54:00 - [17] The North needs to be careful to not grow to big. Especially with some changes CCP has come out for that I'm not necessarily for like removing jump bridges, it would be hard for the North to maintain a large area. As IT fell I'd retract. Leave a couple regions empty and see what happens. Most likely though the North will eventually fall in a similar manner to BoB and Goonswarm unfortunately. At some point someone gets mad and will create enough damage that they find it hard to recover perhaps even to the point of disbanding one or two of the major members. I hate to say it but that probably given the history of the game is far more likely to be their downfall. Will they recover, probably but it'll cause friction that eventually will split the North just like it did the others. The other thing that could undo them would be some sort of game change that breaks it apart. Most likely this would be a massive change and well beyond even what the CSM meeting in Dec put forth as bad ideas.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 04/02/2011 20:58:31 when ccp adds content that means a 20man raiding (raid, as in the mother **ing vikings, not the wow thing) party can go into sovereign space and them off, I think the nc shall have some fun then. add in the kicking jump bridges in the nuts bit, and well ** yea \o/
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:00:00 - [19] Just out of curiosity, how many of the legendary pvp pilots does the NC have in its ranks? I see a lot of talk here like the NC is has a lot of hardcore pvp players, but to the best of my understanding the NC is mostly about blobbing. Now for those of you who don't understand, the difference between a fleet and a blob is each and every individual in a fleet can survive on their own and doesn't fear solo or small gang pvp. Blobbing is typically a bunch of 'carebears' who feel comfortable fighting 40 vs 4, and wont play otherwise. Blobbers for the most part, I believe can live without pvp. Only time will tell if the NC has enough true PVP pilots to where the self destructive nature of it will unfold.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:07:00 - [20] If it happens, it happens, and then CCP will have to hire themselves a sociologist to study this phenomenon just like they hired an economist. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Ben Alman Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:07:00 - [21] I missed a t in my post making the sentence awkward for people actually reading the letters I am going to edit it but for all of you who have already been scarred for live here is compensation: t Btw: Thanks for not being a grammar NSDAPmember (most of you probably only recognize it now bu who cares ;) )
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Zeba The bored pvpers should learn the fine art of getting in touch with other bored pvpers and when they have enough bodies they can act. This solo rage quit stuff just marks you for the hammer. Hey cool, so the BORED PVPers should wait a few months/years until they have enough people to form a rebellion... AWESOME PLAN -Liang Well if they are impatient I guess they could hare off on their own. But of course that would just mean getting kicked back to empire as they didn't take the time and effort to find support first. Besides what is there in nullsec that doesn't take months or years to accomplish if it involves multiple corps and alliances? Also who said it would actually take months or years? I would imagine if there really are enough bored pvpers who don't like the nap train they should be able to fairly quickly organise and do somthing about it sooner rather than later. Unless they are both bored and lazy too. Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:15:00 - [23] OMG ZEBA IS BACK!!! THE IQ OF THE FORUMS JUST WENT UP!!!
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Zeba Well if they are impatient I guess they could hare off on their own. But of course that would just mean getting kicked back to empire as they didn't take the time and effort to find support first. Besides what is there in nullsec that doesn't take months or years to accomplish if it involves multiple corps and alliances? Also who said it would actually take months or years? I would imagine if there really are enough bored pvpers who don't like the nap train they should be able to fairly quickly organise and do somthing about it sooner rather than later. Unless they are both bored and lazy too. Do you really expect someone to be able to weld all the bored PVPers together and make a reasonable attempt at living on their own? I think the best case scenario would be something like the agreement Tri Mk 1 had with the NC. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:26:00 - [25] ok so I missed the bus, what is going on? Best regards, Apollo Gabriel
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Zeba Well if they are impatient I guess they could hare off on their own. But of course that would just mean getting kicked back to empire as they didn't take the time and effort to find support first. Besides what is there in nullsec that doesn't take months or years to accomplish if it involves multiple corps and alliances? Also who said it would actually take months or years? I would imagine if there really are enough bored pvpers who don't like the nap train they should be able to fairly quickly organise and do somthing about it sooner rather than later. Unless they are both bored and lazy too. Do you really expect someone to be able to weld all the bored PVPers together and make a reasonable attempt at living on their own? I think the best case scenario would be something like the agreement Tri Mk 1 had with the NC. -Liang Possibly. I didn't say it would be easy or even likely given the herdlike nature of your average nullsec entitys members but if they want to break the current nap train then that really is all there is to be done. Either get your capitalism on and keep farming isk for no reason but to farm isk(this works for alliance leaders because they have alts for everything to transfer those personal trillions to due to plex funding of subs. The rank and file not so much) or you take a stand and bring down the greedy kings and their inner councils. It's called revolution. So do the bored pvpers have a taste for that or will they continue to be pawns in a game of bloat the wallet? Originally by: Obsidian Hawk OMG ZEBA IS BACK!!! THE IQ OF THE FORUMS JUST WENT UP!!! \o Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Zeba It's called revolution. So do the bored pvpers have a taste for that or will they continue to be pawns in a game of bloat the wallet? Historically, I'd say that they don't have the coordination even if they do have the will. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Zeba It's called revolution. So do the bored pvpers have a taste for that or will they continue to be pawns in a game of bloat the wallet? Historically, I'd say that they don't have the coordination even if they do have the will. -Liang Sadly I have to agree with you. But the way is clear if they ever happen to summon that will. Originally by: Blane Xero Zeba a fanboi, Haha, Christ, Pull the other one will you. Originally by: Ryhss There is no paranoia in Eve, everyone is out to get you....
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:24:00 - [29] Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 22:27:41 By the nature of eve this situation is going to arise repeatedly until somebody works out the right levers to pull, someday we'll get a coalition leader who's read enough Aldous Huxley to know how to pacify a population. Got too many bored pvpers on your hands? Simple, create smaller alliances with alts and make them fight each other, give the people what they want and you can do what you like. It's the meta game baby. You can think of it in terms of how the illuminati or Bilderberg group like to be seen, every alliance leader is part of a clique and wars are planned out in advance to ensure the dogs of war get a good walk and a piddle while the leaders blow the whistle. If I had to speculate then I would say that the NC won't own 0.0 unless there's a solid RMT backbone. People making their living are a lot more organized than casual players and any Bilderberg type arrangement tends to arise in an effort to control resources. My only worry is how close we are to this point. This isn't conjecture, it's history.
Knawt Ongrid	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:35:00 - [30] OMG the sky is falling . . . Look, if anyone thinks that 0.0 is and will remain one happy love fest you are delusional. There are still 3 powerblocks, not just one - Drone Russians, NC+Goons, Casserol(aka Asswagon). Although ideally there would be more division and factions in 0.0, this is still hardly one NC dominion. Casserol blued goons for the purpose of attacking IT block. But they hardly love each other, and have new borders to define between them. Similarly the NC and drone russians are hardly in love. Drone Russians and Casserol have new borders to define/solidify and competing business interest if you will. And there is still the minor players in provi that really aren't aligned with any of these 3. We will probably see a continued static territorial situation, with minor probing in the border regions - Geminate, Immensea/detorid/catch/tenerifis/feythabolis (the border between the Stain block and the Drone block is looking very unstable imo), and now querious/delve still to be divided tween NC and Stain block. Border skirmishing can always escalate if any of these blocks pull out the supercap blob and could have dire consequences if miscalculated. It is of course sad though with the coalition mentality and the resulting blobs each can muster (whether subcap or supercap). Realistically 0.0 has always been that way, it's just now it is more apparent. Even with wormholes and all the empty systems in 0.0, space is seeming crowded because of the ease of projecting that supercap power. What might open it up again would be a heavy nerf to cap jump range, titan bridge range, the elimination of jump bridges, and making jumps/bridging more costly. Hard to control vast regions of space if the power projection is rather immobile. Also, there has to be some diminishing returns on subcap blobbage. Just an idea, paying tolls at system gates, that increase as the system fills for everyone in the system whether they go there by bridge or gate, might be one workable mechanism. The gates are afterall run by concord, your ISK is sitting in some NPC bank account, and someone is expending resources to operate the gates. This would be another isk sink CCP keeps talking about needing. Also, think of what this could mean for Jita, as well as 0.0 NC type subcap blobbage. It could spread out the markets, and be structured to hit pocketbooks hard enough to be figured into tactical calculus in sov warfare. Hopefully CCP will do something in response to the present 0.0 situation. Of course it couldn't hurt if they could introduce more NPC 0.0 space. Either by pirate factions claiming presently conquerable space or by new star systems filling in the empty spaces currently on the map (at the very least what is Jove space doing on the map like Drone space used to be). Let's face it, npc pirate factions have some amazing recruiters that somehow overcome the terrible combat efficiency they have. Maybe they can claim some more space for all that effort. Anyway, yeah, it's sad that once again we are down to 3 coalitions controlling 0.0. But it is not one governing body, and hardly the end of eve. Too many oversized egos involved, and CCP could still do a lot to kick over the present sand castles in order to keep the game alive.

Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:39:00 - [31] Originally by: yani dumyat Got too many bored pvpers on your hands? Simple, create smaller alliances with alts and make them fight each other, give the people what they want and you can do what you like. It's the meta game baby. For the sake of attempting to push the CCP game design bureaucracy into a flaming pit of lava, I'll toss out there; you don't need to create a separate alliance or even fight in null sec at all. The NC can just pacify their warriors by sending them to low sec and w-space.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Knawt Ongrid OMG the sky is falling . . . Look, if anyone thinks that 0.0 is and will remain one happy love fest you are delusional. .... We will probably see a continued static territorial situation, with minor probing in the border regions... ... Hopefully CCP will do something in response to the present 0.0 situation. ... CCP could still do a lot to kick over the present sand castles in order to keep the game alive. That was a whole lotta words to agree with us. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.04 23:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Knawt Ongrid OMG the sky is falling . . . Look, if anyone thinks that 0.0 is and will remain one happy love fest you are delusional. There are still 3 powerblocks, not just one - Drone Russians, NC+Goons, Casserol(aka Asswagon). Now if I wanted to farm 0.0 to sell ISK then the above quote is exactly what I'd want people to be thinking.
Knawt Ongrid	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Liang Nuren That was a whole lotta words to agree with us. -Liang I'm glad you're glad. I'm not NC, DR, or ASSwagon, hate the present moon goo situation, find the coalition blobs a bad thing for the game, but I was unaware all the posters above me were in agreement. I was mainly responding to the OP's exageration saying the NC controls everything now. BTW, minor probing, heh. Originally by: yani dumyat Now if I wanted to farm 0.0 to sell ISK then the above quote is exactly what I'd want people to be thinking. Aww man you outed me. I'm an ISK farmer in each of those coalitions and if CCP does something I will lose my livelihood. Jeebus, some terribly serious, paranoid, pessimistic people here
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Knawt Ongrid Jeebus, some terribly serious, paranoid, pessimistic people here This is Eve you know...... -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Magna Carta	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:07:00 - [36] Edited by: Magna Carta on 05/02/2011 00:07:55 Some pictures from a minor NC op: http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110284280-4.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110284250-4.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110284240-4.jpg http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/110283751-4.jpg Because of: http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/03/pl-tried-gank-nc-titan-got-masacred-by-nc-counter-fleet/ Short answer: Yes, NC can achieve total victory over 0.0, only if the rest of the pilots want to: That means hours and hours of fighting. Are you able to sit in front of the computer for at least 4 hours to take a system/outpost ? Do you want to ? As an example: Search LXQ on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=LXq&aq=f Edit: Changed links
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:23:00 - [37] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/02/2011 00:23:38 Originally by: Magna Carta Short answer: Yes, NC can achieve total victory over 0.0, only if the rest of the pilots want to: That means hours and hours of fighting. Are you able to sit in front of the computer for at least 4 hours to take a system/outpost ? Do you want to ? I contend two things: - It doesn't matter if you bring the same people day after day as long as you keep bringing the numbers. The NC has these numbers, and as more corps/alliances/space fall under their control, those numbers will increase. - It is very unlikely that the territory would come as a result of constant sieges. Its much more likely to be through expand and consolidate phases coupled with intense diplomatic efforts to consolidate/marry power blocs or bring "rogues" into the NC itself. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:42:00 - [38] Edited by: Sig Sour on 05/02/2011 00:43:15 Originally by: Knawt Ongrid I was mainly responding to the OP's exageration saying the NC controls everything now. If I could get people to read and not fill in what their imagination feels like filling in, I would. Not only did I not exaggerate they control everything now, I never say they control everything now. Originally by: Magna Carta sadness Titans -in the hands of the NC- remind me of the people with learning disabilities in hulks in high sec who never pvp till they are in an uber ship.
Magna Carta	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Liang Nuren I contend two things: - It doesn't matter if you bring the same people day after day as long as you keep bringing the numbers. The NC has these numbers, and as more corps/alliances/space fall under their control, those numbers will increase. - It is very unlikely that the territory would come as a result of constant sieges. Its much more likely to be through expand and consolidate phases coupled with intense diplomatic efforts to consolidate/marry power blocs or bring "rogues" into the NC itself. -Liang Heh. :) Delve it's not under siege but the full NC, only by Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore as main forces ( old enemies of IT Alliance ) and Fatal Ascension, Morsus Mihi, Mostly Harmless, R.A.G.E, Razor, Wildly Inappropriate as secondary forces.<- Alphabetical order. Currently NC battles with Pandemic Legion in Pure Blind region ( NC had to send Pandemic Legion "home" from Venal and now from Pure Blind ). When PL will be sent home, NC will join Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore on the war against IT Alliance. Maybe. ;) Goonswarm Federation wants to show to IT Alliance that they can take Delve from them. Think of it this way: When Goonswarm ( now Goonswarm Federation ) was in Delve, IT Alliance constantly attacked them with their allies ( Sys-k, LR etc ). But Goonswarm was able to defend the region. Now it's Goonswarm Federation and allies' turn to attack IT Alliance. Will IT Alliance be able to defend Delve ? :) I don't think diplomatic measures will be taken into consideration by the enemies of the Northern Coalition : All other major alliances in 0.0 hate NC. Yes, you don't have to bring the same pilots to the fights, but you need the same people that are in charge of the operation, day by day.
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:42:00 - [40] Edited by: yani dumyat on 05/02/2011 01:46:14 Originally by: Knawt Ongrid Originally by: yani dumyat Now if I wanted to farm 0.0 to sell ISK then the above quote is exactly what I'd want people to be thinking. Aww man you outed me. I'm an ISK farmer in each of those coalitions and if CCP does something I will lose my livelihood. Jeebus, some terribly serious, paranoid, pessimistic people here Not serious, paranoid or pessimistic. Was a joke referring to the honourable eve residents who live in the quaint village of Bilderberg. In many ways I'm quite optimistic about that. In a game that's designed to be a sandbox, victory will go to the person who can create the most fun for the most amount of people. Victory is achieved when that person buys a new mercedes. If I understand the OP correctly then he wants to know what will happen when one power controls the whole of null. My response is that anyone who can perform such a feat would be capable of appearing to be several alliances at once, while in reality one small family of people is in charge of the whole thing. Imagine for a moment that Mitanni was Sir Molle's boyfriend, now imagine that the drone regions were controlled by his mother and they had well groomed Russian speaking slave boys to run them. That may be a slightly disturbing image however eve encourages metagaming so the idea of one family (in the broadest sense of the word) running several alliances is not just possible but an essential mechanic forced by game design. Trust me on this, us brits used this principle to create the biggest empire ever known to man and are still suffering the royally inbred consequences of our actions. (Edit - see masons for a fuller description.) Apologies for rambling, I'll try and summarise the point. To control null you need to provide for the needs of your subjects, this means war and associated economic support. For one entity to control null it would need to provide an RvB style experience on a huge scale and random emotional drama from the leaders. You could have a lot of fun by pretending to have drama between two good friends.

The Offerer	Posted - 2011.02.05 05:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? You sound like those popular-science shows about the end of the World on National Geographic.
A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.02.05 06:38:00 - [42] What are you trying to say? There is no more fighting in nullsec now? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? I will have to take my itty bitty ship and make troubles!
Rhes Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:25:00 - [43] OP seems really mad about how other people play internet spaceships.
Apo Lyptica	Posted - 2011.02.05 09:21:00 - [44] what you guys don't understand is the NC isn't an alliance like goonswarm and bob... NC is a coalition of alliances (oh jebus, its in the name!), these alliances come and go I'd say every month. The core alliances have been around for a very long time, and is VERY powerful and in my opinion VERY well lead. Nc isn't a bad thing, we are more or less like Russia during the cossack era. Every member of the coalition has to have a PvP ship. The large alliances that get the better sections of space push this, alot. If you want to bring down the NC, well sorry... but you wont. You can't have a spy disband it, you can't invade it. You shoot one pos, we will destroy all of yours. So get on board or die... and in a few years, high sec will belong to the NC as well.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.05 09:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ben Alman Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires. Thinking more about this, it occurs to me that empire decay tends to be measured on the century scale. If we were to call this the decay over generations (ebb and flow of new players) and disregard the effects of effectively immortal leaders, then we might be able to say that we're in for 3-4 years of the NC owning all of 0.0? -Liang Unless the Legions of Chaos step up to bring the Word to the heretical Imperium. Assuming Chaos doesn't get pushed back to the Maelstrom again. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Sig Sour Just out of curiosity, how many of the legendary pvp pilots does the NC have in its ranks? I see a lot of talk here like the NC is has a lot of hardcore pvp players, but to the best of my understanding the NC is mostly about blobbing. Now for those of you who don't understand, the difference between a fleet and a blob is each and every individual in a fleet can survive on their own and doesn't fear solo or small gang pvp. Blobbing is typically a bunch of 'carebears' who feel comfortable fighting 40 vs 4, and wont play otherwise. Blobbers for the most part, I believe can live without pvp. Only time will tell if the NC has enough true PVP pilots to where the self destructive nature of it will unfold. no, blobbing is a result of having allot of pilots. skill is a side issue no fc is going to tell people they can't join a fleet because its to big and blob like. example: if a request goes out for a reinforcing fleet, who the hell is going turn down pilots to join that fleet if they are in the required ship? no one would. every null sec alliance that plays the sov game blobs. its how the game play mechanics demand you play it. its not to much different from modern warfare. the user blobbed Germany, the usaaf, vvs and raf blobbed the luftwaffe. the british blobbed Argentina. Montgomery blobbed rommel with tanks. it would be ridiculous for any leader to turn down strength in numbers when the strategy demand it or its a winning formula. I'm not saying the blob is good for eve but trying to make up excuses or deride people for doing it is naive.
Marconus Orion Global Criminal Countdown	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:21:00 - [47] What is pathetic is now we have coalitions of coalitions. NC and DC combined is over 20,000 pilots who will SOS each other anytime they come across something that remotely resembles a challenge. "Beat it with numbers!" is the only thing they know how to do. 0.0 Is utter ** right now. It has been for years now. With no cons to having everyone within 50+ jumps of you blue, it will continue to be the same stale, stagnant pile of dog ** it is now.
Kaaii Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp KAAII-NET	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:26:00 - [48] Every big alliance has their day in the sun, Bob had it, Red had it, etc. All things change in time, nothing lasts forever. According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Marconus Orion Global Criminal Countdown	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Kaaii Every big alliance has their day in the sun, Bob had it, Red had it, etc. All things change in time, nothing lasts forever. We are talking about a 20,000 pilot coalition. Not just a single alliance.
Reeno Coleman	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Knawt Ongrid Similarly the NC and drone russians are hardly in love. now that is quite the understatement

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: yani dumyat Got too many bored pvpers on your hands? Simple, create smaller alliances with alts and make them fight each other, give the people what they want and you can do what you like. It's the meta game baby. For the sake of attempting to push the CCP game design bureaucracy into a flaming pit of lava, I'll toss out there; you don't need to create a separate alliance or even fight in null sec at all. The NC can just pacify their warriors by sending them to low sec and w-space. You can't passify your warriors by offering them a cheap substitute that isn't even plentiful enough to offer something for everyone. Not all fighting is equal. If you think it is, you might as well just implement arena combat and remove every other type of PvP from the game. That isn't the type of PvP I want from EVE and I don't think I'm alone in this. If a leader would have seriously suggested that when I was a grunt in an alliance, I would have started looking for a new home in another alliance immediately. Fake fights in general aren't the same as full scale all out warfare. Fake alliances just to fight other fake alliances is more like arena combat or dueling. No one has really anything to lose and you can't really get emotionally committed in the fighting. It's meaningless to the point of not bothering to play at all. It just isn't the same experience. Some might like it, but others can't stand it. With w-space and lowsec you have your own issues. If most of these people preferred that kind of life and fighting, they wouldn't have went to 0.0 in the first place. Again not the same experience. Secondly no one is going to fight your mega blob. You will get kills, but no one is going to commit to any meaningful fights. They will flee and nible at your ankles at every opportunity. It's enough to satisfy some players, but not anyone who enjoys big fleet fights or good fights and it doesn't provide enough action to go around.
Cosmar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:47:00 - [52] Coalitions don't last forever. I can't remember how many times someone was claimed to be supposedly invincible and about to win EvE.
Magna Carta	Posted - 2011.02.05 11:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Cosmar Coalitions don't last forever. I can't remember how many times someone was claimed to be supposedly invincible and about to win EvE. Don't worry, NC won't expand from its current borders. What you're seeing now in Fountain and Delve, its Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore with help from few members of NC vs IT Alliance. What you saw in LXQ, it was a show off, to show to other people that NC is capable of invading. But take note, that the NC didn't take system after system in Drone Region, NC conquered only outposts ( 3 stations ). There are so many disadvantages in a full blue New Eden, that i don't even know where to start. You always need someone to fight against. It's not impossible for NC to conquer all of 0.0, but it's impossible to administrate it.
Nomad Vherokic	Posted - 2011.02.05 12:39:00 - [54] Who crashes the node first wins? -- Why do people sign their name at the bottom of a post? We know who you are already...
Ayieka	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:32:00 - [55] I thought the Jove attacked you if your alliance controlled too much.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:46:00 - [56] Nonono, Curse Alliance will rule over all of no sec space. Or is it Band of Brothers...? Coalition of Free Stars perhaps? New Venal Alliance? Oh, 'whatever those muppets are calling themselves this week' will rule over all of no sec space.. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Xanthia Sarn Minmatar Lucrosum Bellus	Posted - 2011.02.05 13:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Ben Alman Originally by: Sig Sour So can the NC achieve total victory over eve? What do you think will happen when they do? I'll fall apart slowly but steadily such is the fate of empires. I think its really hard for the NC to decay as an empire does, because breaking ranks with the other alliances will mean that ALL the other alliances immediately band together and destroy you. -Liang The Nc cannot be destroyed unless every other alliance in the game banded together and hit them. they are based on trust and friendship and every alliance in the Nc follows strict rules and together they are a force not to be **ed with. EvE needs to stabilize, this rise n fall crap is getting old n needs to stop. I say, let NC colonize all 0.0 n make it stable, god knows it would be better for the game. PvP alliances would actually get the fights they want. Your all just ***ing cause ccp mummy took away your play toys
Kaaii Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp KAAII-NET	Posted - 2011.02.06 13:23:00 - [58] Originally by: Marconus Orion Originally by: Kaaii Every big alliance has their day in the sun, Bob had it, Red had it, etc. All things change in time, nothing lasts forever. We are talking about a 20,000 pilot coalition. Not just a single alliance. What's the difference... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.02.06 17:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Kaaii What's the difference... You cant 'right click - disband' and destroy it? (See how the last 2 major powers fell)
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.06 19:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Xanthia Sarn The Nc cannot be destroyed unless every other alliance in the game banded together and hit them. they are based on trust and friendship and every alliance in the Nc follows strict rules and together they are a force not to be **ed with. EvE needs to stabilize, this rise n fall crap is getting old n needs to stop. I say, let NC colonize all 0.0 n make it stable, god knows it would be better for the game. PvP alliances would actually get the fights they want. Your all just *ing cause ccp mummy took away your play toys Can you please elaborate on how having a single coalition controlling all of 0.0 is going to give me the "good fights" I desire? -Liang -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter



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